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Online Casinos in general: Class action AdvoFin - experiences? (Page 3)

Topic created on 12th Dec. 2020 | Page: 3 of 23 | Answers: 226 | Views: 76,207
eierlothar
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 03:57 pm CET#23
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xzxzxz911 wrote on 14.12.2020 at 12:05 pm
Alone that you consider a Deposit at Online Casinos as an investment is already very twisted. You talk about a "code of honor" - at online casinos and call people who insist on your right as wankered ? Exactly so talk only people who have not lost enough, but please remain a good and loyal customer of online casinos so we can reclaim our losses THANKS

I think this is pointless with you, but will explain to you briefly what my sweet.
Of course, I have also sometimes extremely exaggerated in my gaming behavior, like the majority here I think
Have it Familiär Erklären have to, and was right in the shit ... . But I did not whine around,
me somewhere else as a care case to recognize and behave asocial. Not the blame elsewhere sought, but
only with myself. Stand like a man to the things, and have just stood up for it.
Yes code of honor is lost time with you mien Jung, because you will never comply.
And this has a lot to do with your behavior.
I would never accuse your behavior in itself, because he who is without fault, let him throw the ......
But now go against the casino, is such a bed-wetter behavior, and mirrors exactly our society again.
Would be ashamed of me really.

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Jubla2014
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 05:27 pm CET#24
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Nothing to add, very true words!

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Slothot
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 07:54 pm CET#25
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Well, the gag is that the courts have already ruled in favor of the players.... But the enforcement of the claims will only get more interesting. There are already judgments in this matter in Germany. So far all judgments by default because the OC's have not even appeared in court.
But then you don't hear anything about payments made, outside of settlements...

Since one can wish only much "fun...

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T****z

Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 08:21 pm CET#26
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Slothot wrote on 12/14/2020 at 7:54 pm: ... because the OC's haven't even appeared in court yet.
But of payments made, outside of settlements, one hears then just nothing...


Interesting.

Food for thought....

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wettibernd
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 08:39 pm CET#27
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what i don't quite understand is this:

When something hurts I go to the family doctor, when I'm hungry I go to the restaurant or grocery store, when I can't see well I go to the optician or ophthalmologist.

Why do people who have a huge problem with gambling not go to a psychologist or addiction counselor but to a lawyer?

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T****z

Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 08:48 pm CET#28
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wettibernd wrote on 12/14/2020 at 8:39 pm: what I don't quite understand is this: why do people who have a huge problem with gambling not go to a psychologist or addiction counselor but to a lawyer?

Maybe because people are taking advantage of casino rule violations and want to get their lost money back?
What is so hard to understand about that?

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Falko
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 08:56 pm CET#29
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Tribeholz wrote on 12/14/2020 at 8:48 pm
Maybe because people take advantage of rule violations by casinos to get their lost money back???
What is so hard to understand about that??


What is so hard to understand about this ? If you go to a lawyer, he won't cure you of your Gambling addiction, he will only help you to get back the money you lost, which will then go to the next casino. The actual gambling problem is certainly not solved in this way.

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sippi
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 08:57 pm CET#30
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What violations of the rules? The illegality that you mentioned? I don't mind, but then only if the plaintiff is also arrested for participating in illegal gambling! Or is that then again not so great? I thought so...

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Slothot
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 09:01 pm CET#31
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So I do not know the Austrian law
In Germany, however, it is the case - I had to research this first - that the freedom to provide services in terms of gambling can be restricted from the point of view of prevention. However, the Federal Republic of Germany has not been able to do this since 2011, and our State Treaty on Gambling has repeatedly been contrary to EU law.

In addition, according to German law, any claim arising from a bet is of course void cf. §762BGB! That applies naturally in both directions.

The line of argumentation to grant OC's the right to provide their services (prohibition of discrimination, freedom to provide services according to TFEU) is of course permissible. However, it has already been overtaken by the constant case law of the European Court of Justice, according to which individual states can prohibit individual services in order to protect their citizens. However, the whole thing must be properly justified. The FRG has also done this in its gambling treaty. Guess who appealed to the EU Commission? Correct, Malta... At the moment, the whole thing is still in the "monitoring procedure" of the EU. We will see how the treaty comes back from there

Malta's national budget is covered by about 15 percent through online gambling, the providers operate ultimately only as letterbox limiteds from the island, whereby for a Maltese Ltd. urgently a managing director (can be hired) on site is binding (although this can be circumvented again by foundations). Not as easy as before with the UK Ltd's...
But you see, the state of Malta will put many obstacles in the way of the small gambler, who wants to get back his few thousand Euros, which he gambled away himself...

And who is waving a European enforcement title, well, he will be thrown out of the door or sunk in the harbor and then you will not hear about it for a long time...

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wettibernd
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?

14th Dec. 2020, at 09:03 pm CET#32
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The fact is, if the lawsuit is really successful and the money should be back (which I highly doubt), then it will only be gambled away again somewhere else if the actual evil, i.e. the Gambling addiction, has not been fought by then. Therefore, it is much more reasonable to first go to an addiction counseling and to do something against the disease and then the affected person can try to get the money back. Instead of simply trying to get the ammunition for the next kick.

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