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14th Dec. 2020, at 09:17 pm CET#33
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Falko wrote on 12/14/2020 at 8:56 pm
What is so hard to understand about this ? If they go to the lawyer, that does not cure them of the Gambling addiction, but supports them only to get back the gambled money and that wanders then again in the next casino. The actual gambling problem is certainly not solved in this way.
Ähhm...nobody runs to the lawyer to be cured of i-was!!!
Who says that people are sick just because they sue for money back?
There are nevertheless completely different processes because of still much larger crap led.
Or do you think that the climate would change even a tiny mu if no more VW diesels drive around
Fact is: If someone wants to make money with internet games he has to inform himself better about the law. Then nobody can pee on his knee afterwards
Well, morally this is absolutely unclean from both directions. But the fact is, and we all know this, the bank always wins when gambling
The story of poor David against Goliath is not true here, in my opinion. But of course, a drowning man also grasps at the last straw. In this respect, I do not want to evaluate this morally. Look at it more on the factual level
What's going on with you guys? Every time a topic like this comes up, there's a lot of badmouthing about gambling addicts, saying they should leave their money with the casinos. You know that these casinos are highly dubious companies that cause God knows how much damage throughout Europe. Don't you pay for that?
Some people here panic when someone wants to sue for their money back. Don't worry, you'll still be able to gamble your money away, is that what this is all about?
The comparison with the butcher is the biggest joke I have read. An obviously ILLEGAL casino offers its services in Austria, means encourages addicts to gamble away their money. This is like when a company openly sells coke, someone gets addicted to it and then sues for damages. It's stupid to shout personal responsibility here, that's exactly what laws are for. The state takes responsibility and punishes gamblers just like gambling providers! It's not for nothing that bank accounts can be closed and funds frozen without any problems
So dear TE. Do not know me in the subject, but wish you good luck in your case. And make best a therapy, 5-digit is yes sick, no offense.
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14th Dec. 2020, at 09:42 pm CET#36
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Even if you go to therapy, a good therapist who is familiar with the matter will advise you to get the money back with a lawyer, if the legal possibility exists. This conveys that you got off lightly and at least improves your starting point. You now have the lost money back and the urge to get the lost money back through further, increased stakes disappears, which makes it much easier to work than if this urge continues to prevail in the head.
wettibernd wrote on 12/14/2020 at 8:39 pm: what I don't quite understand is this:
Why do people who have a huge problem with gambling go to a lawyer instead of a psychologist or addiction counselor?
Because a gambler is basically chasing money @wettibernd -
and he/she only makes their problem obvious when really nothing works anymore, when the car is already deep in the mud,
when all possibilities are exhausted to get any money at all
In summary, it is then called addiction/addiction-driven
And everyone who looks down on these people/players (even those who are currently running to the lawyer) should also be aware that without addicts or problem gamblers NO casino and no offline hall would last long!
And those who have it under control, and I'm more than 100% sure of that, any casino can count on and very likely would also voluntarily renounce "such".
Oh, there are a lot of myths floating around the forum... Of course, a High Roller is welcome in the casino and if he also gambles in a small booth even more so...
However, you overestimate a little the role of the individual addict
Who is actually interested in the topic can read through the figures of LeoVegasAB (Investor Relations) and will be surprised HOW MANY new customers and more importantly, how many redeemers a listed company like LeoVegas has
https://leovegasgroup.com/en/investor-relations/
And there also appears a very important ratio, the Average Revenue per Player... That's not 300 dollars
Sure, it's an average value. But for one to drive it massively up, you need a lot of others to push it back to the average...
Bet at Home is also an AG, there you could also read the annual or quarterly figures as an interested party. There is perhaps also in German
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14th Dec. 2020, at 09:50 pm CET#39
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Slothot wrote on 14.12.2020 at 21:28: Well, morally this is absolutely unclean from both directions. But the fact is, and we all know this, the bank always wins when gambling
The story of poor David against Goliath is not true here, in my opinion. But of course, a drowning man also grasps at the last straw. In this respect, I don't want to judge this morally at all. Look at it more on the factual level.
What is moral?
First, someone creates an addictive product according to all the rules of art and brings it among the people.
Many people become addicted to it and bring a lot of money to the "someone".
And who crashes is just too weak.
This "someone" justifies his actions with the fact that everyone is allowed to consume what he feels like with impunity.
After all, we are a free society.
Well, that's a philosophical question... But every single casino fire gives you the opportunity to block yourself permanently... And because some develop a problem, does that mean everyone else has to do without? Does that apply to alcohol? Tobacco? Medication?
I understand your point and I am not your opponent here, but the coin has two, even more sides...
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14th Dec. 2020, at 10:16 pm CET#41
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Slothot wrote on 12/14/2020 at 9:53 pm: Well, that's a philosophical question... But every single casino fire gives you the option to permanently ban you... And because some develop a problem, then everyone else has to do without? Does that apply to alcohol as well? Tobacco? Medication?
I already understand your point and I'm not your opponent here, but the coin has two, even more sides...
First of all, I have to say that I am a bit of a gambler myself - although less online than in the Tipico store.
I just can't understand this (badly acted) indignation of some here when some online punks are asked to pay.
And concerning the tobacco, alcohol & Co. I do not understand the connection with the Gezocke.
Do you think, just because the things here over time so to speak "naturalized" should apply in principle to all addictive things?
Quasi according to the motto: Who has colon cancer, depression and diabetes should also be open to leukemia?
So a gambler chases his lost money. Why does he do that?
There are, maybe some of you have heard of it, 5 phases of mourning a loss (thing/money, person etc.). These 5 phases are divided into the slander, the anger, the negotiation, a depression and the acceptance
With people who believe for a very long time that they can get something back, I have the feeling that they just can't draw a line under this loss. They are permanently stuck in the "negotiation" phase. They no longer slander anything or get angry at others or themselves, but believe they can find someone to blame
I am convinced that the only right way does not lead past acceptance. In many ways, it's better to come to terms with the fact that you can't get your loss back. Anyone who has spent a tiny bit of time looking at the numbers that come flooding into OCs every day knows that. Very few people are in the "plus" and if everyone chased their money and got it right, it would destroy entire livelihoods. That being said, I don't assume that anyone will get their money and if they do succeed in any court of law. So it doesn't change anything
When one realizes that one is addicted, the first order of business is to take care of it and as soon as possible. One should change something in the best case his gambling behavior in the direction of less is more or not at all
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Ähhm...nobody runs to the lawyer to be cured of i-was!!!
Who says that people are sick just because they sue for money back?
There are nevertheless completely different processes because of still much larger crap led.
Or do you think that the climate would change even a tiny mu if no more VW diesels drive around
Fact is: If someone wants to make money with internet games he has to inform himself better about the law. Then nobody can pee on his knee afterwards
It's that simple
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The story of poor David against Goliath is not true here, in my opinion. But of course, a drowning man also grasps at the last straw. In this respect, I do not want to evaluate this morally. Look at it more on the factual level
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Some people here panic when someone wants to sue for their money back. Don't worry, you'll still be able to gamble your money away, is that what this is all about?
The comparison with the butcher is the biggest joke I have read. An obviously ILLEGAL casino offers its services in Austria, means encourages addicts to gamble away their money. This is like when a company openly sells coke, someone gets addicted to it and then sues for damages. It's stupid to shout personal responsibility here, that's exactly what laws are for. The state takes responsibility and punishes gamblers just like gambling providers! It's not for nothing that bank accounts can be closed and funds frozen without any problems
So dear TE. Do not know me in the subject, but wish you good luck in your case. And make best a therapy, 5-digit is yes sick, no offense.
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Because a gambler is basically chasing money @wettibernd -
and he/she only makes their problem obvious when really nothing works anymore, when the car is already deep in the mud,
when all possibilities are exhausted to get any money at all
In summary, it is then called addiction/addiction-driven
And everyone who looks down on these people/players (even those who are currently running to the lawyer) should also be aware that without addicts or problem gamblers NO casino and no offline hall would last long!
And those who have it under control, and I'm more than 100% sure of that, any casino can count on and very likely would also voluntarily renounce "such".
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However, you overestimate a little the role of the individual addict
Who is actually interested in the topic can read through the figures of LeoVegasAB (Investor Relations) and will be surprised HOW MANY new customers and more importantly, how many redeemers a listed company like LeoVegas has
https://leovegasgroup.com/en/investor-relations/
And there also appears a very important ratio, the Average Revenue per Player... That's not 300 dollars
Sure, it's an average value. But for one to drive it massively up, you need a lot of others to push it back to the average...
Bet at Home is also an AG, there you could also read the annual or quarterly figures as an interested party. There is perhaps also in German
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What is moral?
First, someone creates an addictive product according to all the rules of art and brings it among the people.
Many people become addicted to it and bring a lot of money to the "someone".
And who crashes is just too weak.
This "someone" justifies his actions with the fact that everyone is allowed to consume what he feels like with impunity.
After all, we are a free society.
Is that more moral?
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I understand your point and I am not your opponent here, but the coin has two, even more sides...
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First of all, I have to say that I am a bit of a gambler myself - although less online than in the Tipico store.
I just can't understand this (badly acted) indignation of some here when some online punks are asked to pay.
And concerning the tobacco, alcohol & Co. I do not understand the connection with the Gezocke.
Do you think, just because the things here over time so to speak "naturalized" should apply in principle to all addictive things?
Quasi according to the motto: Who has colon cancer, depression and diabetes should also be open to leukemia?
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There are, maybe some of you have heard of it, 5 phases of mourning a loss (thing/money, person etc.). These 5 phases are divided into the slander, the anger, the negotiation, a depression and the acceptance
With people who believe for a very long time that they can get something back, I have the feeling that they just can't draw a line under this loss. They are permanently stuck in the "negotiation" phase. They no longer slander anything or get angry at others or themselves, but believe they can find someone to blame
I am convinced that the only right way does not lead past acceptance. In many ways, it's better to come to terms with the fact that you can't get your loss back. Anyone who has spent a tiny bit of time looking at the numbers that come flooding into OCs every day knows that. Very few people are in the "plus" and if everyone chased their money and got it right, it would destroy entire livelihoods. That being said, I don't assume that anyone will get their money and if they do succeed in any court of law. So it doesn't change anything
When one realizes that one is addicted, the first order of business is to take care of it and as soon as possible. One should change something in the best case his gambling behavior in the direction of less is more or not at all
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