unicorn wrote on 12/14/2020 at 9:42 pm: Even if you go to therapy, a good therapist familiar with the subject matter will advise getting the money back with a lawyer, if legally possible. This conveys that you got off lightly and at least improves your starting point. You now have the lost money back and the urge to get the lost money back through further, increased stakes disappears, which makes it much easier to work than if this urge continues to prevail in the head.
Hahaha, what a nonsense, with all due respect. If it requires a complaint around the cause (certain urges in the head) remedy, then his opposite has but missed his job by miles. No matter whether conversation therapist, or psychologist. To convey something, it requires a lot of work, no question, but this is done on the patient, and not on OCs. unicorn, where did you get your knowledge from? what is dei n doc called? Prof Raffgier hahaha
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eierlothar wrote on 12/14/2020 at 11:32 pm Hahaha, what nonsense, with all due respect. If it takes a lawsuit to remedy the cause (certain urges in the head), then his opposite has but missed his job by miles. No matter whether conversation therapist, or psychologist. To convey something to someone, it requires a lot of work, no question, but this is done on the patient, and not on OCs. unicorn, where did you get your knowledge from? what is dei n doc called? Prof Raffgier hahaha
First, I don't have and don't need a doc, and second, that's a basic idea in economic psychology, that you first try to turn off all external factors that create pressure, if possible. Anyone who has a pile of debts is just as advised to consider a private insolvency, so that the pressure exerted on the debtor by the various creditors is removed. Only with this basis everything can be worked up and thus also better work
Excellent that you address the five stages of grief (Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, psychiatrist). Because this model can be put as a scale over many events and situations in life. And this model is particularly appropriate for gambling or gambling addiction. You've really thought about this, which I didn't expect and hadn't even thought about myself. At least in the context of gambling
@Tribeholz:
First of all still the matter level...;) Anyone who feels that their rights have been violated can of course take legal action. I have simply given the current status and my OWN assessment of the prospects of success. And they look rather modest
And at the end of the day it is also all the same to me... Only the argumentation line does not fit partly. It is pretended as if you as a naive person, suddenly in the vastness of the web is lured by the spider OC, which suddenly throws out its web of addiction and the player is imprisoned forever and ever. And the whole thing is not that simple/trivial
Because the spider OC keeps the permanent self-exclusion ready for you, allows you to set limits or to limit losses.
And then there is also "you", who calls up a casino site of your own free will, registers, loads your credit and has to authorize and release this payment personally
And you would be free to exclude yourself from any banking transactions on the net. Would also be a form of personal prevention
People have always gambled for money in the history of mankind, and especially in the age of the Internet, effective regulation or foreclosure of the market is no longer possible at all. The dangers of gambling are known to EVERYONE, as are those of alcohol and tobacco... And there are millions of people who consume these addictive substances in a responsible manner
In contrast, there are also millions who fall into a psychological or physical dependence. However, I am not prepared to withhold any product that also contains dangers from the people in order to protect a few. That is not my understanding of liberality. Where we could agree is a regulation/licensing of the products in gambling, provided with a proper player protection. Analogous to the casinos e.g
But in the end, even the money that may be recovered (by whatever means) is of no use if nothing has been done to change the cause of the addiction and the behavior patterns...
What is said at the end of Dostoevsky's "The Gambler" when the protagonist Alexei meets the rich Mr. Astley for the last time?
Mr. Astley says to Alexei: "I could give you 10 louisdor or 1000 louisdor, but in the hands of a gambler they both have the same value"
Play less, play for fun, it should be entertainment... And don't chase the big win, it will come all by itself, Fortuna willing...
Slothot wrote on 14.12.2020 at 19:54: Well, the gag is that the courts already give the players right... But the enforcement of the claims will then still interesting. There are already judgments in this matter in Germany. So far all judgments by default because the OC's have not even appeared in court.
But you don't hear anything about payments made outside of settlements...
Since one can wish only much "fun"...
If he had presented this also in such a way, no topic.
But try to enrich it, and then fail the way you present this here.
Because the spider OC holds for you the permanent self-exclusion, allows you to set limits or limit losses.
And then there is "you", who by free self-determined will goes to a casino site, registers, loads his balance and must personally authorize and release this payment
And you would be free to exclude yourself from any banking transactions on the net. Would also be a form of personal prevention.
You don't have to go to the Dealer to get your heroin, no one is forcing you, right? So should you do it legally?
Money has always been played for in the history of mankind and especially in times of the Internet, an effective regulation or foreclosure of the market is no longer possible at all. The dangers of gambling are known to EVERYONE, as well as those of alcohol and tobacco... And there are millions of people who consume these addictive substances in a responsible manner
In contrast, there are also millions who fall into a psychological or physical dependence. However, I am not prepared to withhold any product that also contains dangers from the people in order to protect a few. That is not my understanding of liberality. Where we could agree is a regulation/licensing of the products in gambling, provided with a proper player protection. Analogous to the casinos
Well thank God no one shares your understanding in legislation. You write here about "protecting a few", so a highly addictive (quasi overnight exisitenzzerstörendes) product, should not be withheld from the broad mass (which is fully under control, right?)? Why because you like to gamble money for entertainment?
That's a point where I can only touch my head anyway. Anyone who really thinks it's entertainment to pay relatively large amounts of money in a short amount of time, even with small stakes, to watch slots rattle away has completely lost control of their life. Absolutely everyone (even those who won't admit it) plays to WIN money, not as entertainment lol
Even though I play myself and after 2 years I am at +3,000€, I think it is absolutely irresponsible if the state does not intervene massively here!
eierlothar wrote on 15.12.2020 at 10:07 am
If he had presented this also in such a way, no topic.
But trying to get rich on it, and when failing then the way you present this here.
You are the only one here who is extremely outraged and yapping from the side. His manner was relatively neutral, without any provocations and disrespect, as with you zb.
To pick up on a couple of insinuations and statements:
This whole thing was a few years ago
Yes, I was addicted (though not for years) and yes, it was stupid of me to gamble away so much money. And yes, I went to therapy and was in a support group.
All that years ago and I never gambled again
I had checked off the loss a long time ago. Until just last summer when I read about the possibility of this class action lawsuit. And my thought was simply "Why not? It would be nice to get at least part of it back."
I haven't gambled in years
That being said, when you hire this law firm, you sign to stop playing online. Otherwise, the claims are not enforceable. So much for that.
Maybe now I could clear up some insinuations. Some here seem subtly very angry and frustrated. I can understand that. Especially if you have just lost money yourself, some do even harder to give someone else something
As soon as I have results, be it positive or negative, I will report here
by the way, "he" is a "she".
Greetings and thanks to all who have taken the time to reply here
Martina
Ammo92 wrote on 12/15/2020 at 3:17 pm
Well thank goodness no one shares your understanding in legislation. You write here about "protecting a few", so a highly addictive (virtually overnight exisitenzzzerstörendes) product, should not be withheld from the broad masses (who are fully in control, right?)? Why because you like to gamble money for entertainment?
That's a point where I can only touch my head anyway. Anyone who really thinks it's entertainment to pay relatively large amounts of money in a short amount of time, even with small stakes, to watch slots rattle away has completely lost control of their life. Absolutely everyone (even those who won't admit it) plays to WIN money, not as entertainment lol
Even though I play myself and after 2 years I am at +3,000€, I think it is absolutely irresponsible if the state does not intervene massively here!
Drive yourself down a bit... So far every court case regarding chargeback has been overturned by German courts at the latest at the OLG. And there is no reason whatsoever for the jurisdiction to change in this regard
Comparing heroin and gambling also seems a bit far-fetched to me...
Yes, I like to gamble for money, however I can also do serious investing. I'm invested in stocks and ETFs since 2010, have made a lot of money with cryptos and earn in the month again significantly more than you have in the 2 years gambling as plus out...
And I'm only saying that to your head because I think that your subordinate clause with the 3k plus is so ridiculous...;)
Slothot wrote on 15.12.2020 at 20:08
Drive yourself down a bit... So far, every court case regarding chargeback has been overturned by German courts at the latest at the OLG. And there is no reason whatsoever for the jurisdiction to change in this regard
Comparing heroin and gambling also seems a bit far-fetched to me...
Yes, I like to gamble for money, however I can also do serious investing. I'm invested in stocks and ETFs since 2010, have made a lot of money with cryptos and earn in the month again significantly more than you have in the 2 years gambling as plus out...
And I'm only saying that to your head because I think that your subordinate clause with the 3k plus is so ridiculous...;)
@OP thanks for your update.
I didn't write anything about chargeback but in general that online gambling should be completely banned, referring to your statement that just because "a few" can't handle it, the others shouldn't be denied it. The example with the heroin is deliberately chosen, because here earlier the comparison with the butcher got so much agreement. Online gambling is much closer to hard drugs than to food
The interest of the general public in banning Online Casinos is higher than the few Hansels here who complain about not being able to bet more than 1€ per spin or having to take a short break after 1 hour (!).
I mentioned the 3k only to legitimize my opinion a bit, quasi that no bitter loser writes here, who is addicted and blames others for it.
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Hahaha, what a nonsense, with all due respect.
If it requires a complaint around the cause (certain urges in the head) remedy,
then his opposite has but missed his job by miles. No matter whether conversation therapist, or psychologist.
To convey something, it requires a lot of work, no question, but this is done on the patient, and not on OCs.
unicorn, where did you get your knowledge from? what is dei n doc called? Prof Raffgier hahaha
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First, I don't have and don't need a doc, and second, that's a basic idea in economic psychology, that you first try to turn off all external factors that create pressure, if possible. Anyone who has a pile of debts is just as advised to consider a private insolvency, so that the pressure exerted on the debtor by the various creditors is removed. Only with this basis everything can be worked up and thus also better work
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Excellent that you address the five stages of grief (Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, psychiatrist). Because this model can be put as a scale over many events and situations in life. And this model is particularly appropriate for gambling or gambling addiction. You've really thought about this, which I didn't expect and hadn't even thought about myself. At least in the context of gambling
@Tribeholz:
First of all still the matter level...;) Anyone who feels that their rights have been violated can of course take legal action. I have simply given the current status and my OWN assessment of the prospects of success. And they look rather modest
And at the end of the day it is also all the same to me... Only the argumentation line does not fit partly. It is pretended as if you as a naive person, suddenly in the vastness of the web is lured by the spider OC, which suddenly throws out its web of addiction and the player is imprisoned forever and ever. And the whole thing is not that simple/trivial
Because the spider OC keeps the permanent self-exclusion ready for you, allows you to set limits or to limit losses.
And then there is also "you", who calls up a casino site of your own free will, registers, loads your credit and has to authorize and release this payment personally
And you would be free to exclude yourself from any banking transactions on the net. Would also be a form of personal prevention
People have always gambled for money in the history of mankind, and especially in the age of the Internet, effective regulation or foreclosure of the market is no longer possible at all. The dangers of gambling are known to EVERYONE, as are those of alcohol and tobacco... And there are millions of people who consume these addictive substances in a responsible manner
In contrast, there are also millions who fall into a psychological or physical dependence. However, I am not prepared to withhold any product that also contains dangers from the people in order to protect a few. That is not my understanding of liberality. Where we could agree is a regulation/licensing of the products in gambling, provided with a proper player protection. Analogous to the casinos e.g
But in the end, even the money that may be recovered (by whatever means) is of no use if nothing has been done to change the cause of the addiction and the behavior patterns...
What is said at the end of Dostoevsky's "The Gambler" when the protagonist Alexei meets the rich Mr. Astley for the last time?
Mr. Astley says to Alexei: "I could give you 10 louisdor or 1000 louisdor, but in the hands of a gambler they both have the same value"
Play less, play for fun, it should be entertainment... And don't chase the big win, it will come all by itself, Fortuna willing...
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If he had presented this also in such a way, no topic.
But try to enrich it, and then fail the way you present this here.
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You don't have to go to the Dealer to get your heroin, no one is forcing you, right? So should you do it legally?
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Well thank God no one shares your understanding in legislation. You write here about "protecting a few", so a highly addictive (quasi overnight exisitenzzerstörendes) product, should not be withheld from the broad mass (which is fully under control, right?)? Why because you like to gamble money for entertainment?
That's a point where I can only touch my head anyway. Anyone who really thinks it's entertainment to pay relatively large amounts of money in a short amount of time, even with small stakes, to watch slots rattle away has completely lost control of their life. Absolutely everyone (even those who won't admit it) plays to WIN money, not as entertainment lol
Even though I play myself and after 2 years I am at +3,000€, I think it is absolutely irresponsible if the state does not intervene massively here!
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You are the only one here who is extremely outraged and yapping from the side. His manner was relatively neutral, without any provocations and disrespect, as with you zb.
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To pick up on a couple of insinuations and statements:
This whole thing was a few years ago
Yes, I was addicted (though not for years) and yes, it was stupid of me to gamble away so much money. And yes, I went to therapy and was in a support group.
All that years ago and I never gambled again
I had checked off the loss a long time ago. Until just last summer when I read about the possibility of this class action lawsuit. And my thought was simply "Why not? It would be nice to get at least part of it back."
I haven't gambled in years
That being said, when you hire this law firm, you sign to stop playing online. Otherwise, the claims are not enforceable. So much for that.
Maybe now I could clear up some insinuations. Some here seem subtly very angry and frustrated. I can understand that. Especially if you have just lost money yourself, some do even harder to give someone else something
As soon as I have results, be it positive or negative, I will report here
by the way, "he" is a "she".
Greetings and thanks to all who have taken the time to reply here
Martina
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Drive yourself down a bit... So far every court case regarding chargeback has been overturned by German courts at the latest at the OLG. And there is no reason whatsoever for the jurisdiction to change in this regard
Comparing heroin and gambling also seems a bit far-fetched to me...
Yes, I like to gamble for money, however I can also do serious investing. I'm invested in stocks and ETFs since 2010, have made a lot of money with cryptos and earn in the month again significantly more than you have in the 2 years gambling as plus out...
And I'm only saying that to your head because I think that your subordinate clause with the 3k plus is so ridiculous...;)
@OP thanks for your update
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I didn't write anything about chargeback but in general that online gambling should be completely banned, referring to your statement that just because "a few" can't handle it, the others shouldn't be denied it. The example with the heroin is deliberately chosen, because here earlier the comparison with the butcher got so much agreement. Online gambling is much closer to hard drugs than to food
The interest of the general public in banning Online Casinos is higher than the few Hansels here who complain about not being able to bet more than 1€ per spin or having to take a short break after 1 hour (!).
I mentioned the 3k only to legitimize my opinion a bit, quasi that no bitter loser writes here, who is addicted and blames others for it.
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