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Conspiracy theories: My personal sobering conclusion about online casinos with the support of 8 other players (Page 5)

Topic created on 20th Jun. 2019 | Page: 5 of 10 | Answers: 97 | Views: 22,670
Knochen
Elite
Cryptique wrote on 06/20/2019 at 16:05

Well bone, that seems all so highly intellectual what you give from you, but irgentgentwas useful out I can not filter out there.


My opinion is
You are just as addicted to gambling as the rest of us. Only you can't admit that to yourself and try to neutralize it with technical talk.
As I said, this is just an opinion.

So your opinion is that I am "just as" addicted to gambling as "all of us". That's a tough one. Personally, I am honest with myself. I know that I am on the edge and that I have stepped over it from time to time. Especially in gambling halls I used to have unbelievable losses and losses of control. Fortunately, I have my deposits now always completely under control. I only have problems with payouts, sometimes it is difficult for me to pay out wins completely. For example, I once won almost 700€ at Vera&John with a 25€ Deposit and only paid out 300€ in the end, so I get annoyed with myself for a short time. But I still don't deposit again the next day

I would rather say that I have a problematic gambling behavior than that I am addicted to gambling. I don't have a lot of money and if I were seriously addicted to gambling, I would hardly be able to live, eat or do anything with friends. The 100€ I gamble at most per year falls under recreational budget. I am at peace with myself and my gambling

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Raupe
Amateur
tholzem is a real troll to me.

Phrases like:

One is still allowed to say / I am allowed to express my opinion here
Where do we live here / what a shitty forum
And of course: censorship!!!

The whole thing coupled with subliminal and/or open insults.

This reminds me of the rhetoric of right-wing populists, who post their h aggravating propaganda in comments and forums


Always the same pattern.

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t****m
caterpillar wrote on 06/20/2019 at 4:17 pm: tholzem is a real troll to me.

Phrases like:

You are allowed to say that / I am allowed to express my opinion here
Where do we live here / what a shitty forum
And of course: censorship!!!

The whole thing coupled with subliminal and/or open insults.

This reminds me of the rhetoric of right-wing populists, who post their h aggravating propaganda in comments and forums


Always the same pattern.


So I'm a troll? What does that make you? Debil...gullible or whatever? I share my experience here and that's it. Also I have my doubts that the more and more OCs work correctly / honestly. This is about market share if you get my drift. This is hardcore business and it's about profit optimization. And the providers behave accordingly (game manufacturers / OCs / MGA etc...... but you don't understand that anyway. Right-wing populist...finally you are allowed to write down this word...hurray....but believe me I have nothing to do with them at all now

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Crypto
Amateur
Ohh here makes the reading times right again fun. But I'm just wondering if this is a tutorial from the TE according to the motto "How do I build a filter bubble".
Is there a DIY category here in the forum?

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Anonym

Bone wrote on 06/20/2019 at 16:16
So your opinion is that I am "just as" addicted to gambling as "all of us". That's a tough one. Personally, I'm honest with myself about that. I know I'm hard on the edge and have stepped foot over it from time to time. Especially in gambling halls I used to have unbelievable losses and losses of control. Fortunately, I have my deposits now always completely under control. I only have problems with payouts, sometimes it is hard for me to pay out wins completely. For example, I once won almost 700€ at Vera&John with a 25€ Deposit and only paid out 300€ in the end, so I get annoyed with myself for a short time. But I still don't deposit again the next day

I would rather say that I have a problematic gambling behavior than that I am addicted to gambling. I don't have a lot of money and if I were seriously addicted to gambling, I would hardly be able to live, eat or do anything with friends. The 100€ I gamble at most per year falls under recreational budget. I am at peace with myself and my gambling

Somehow you forgot just before the end what you wrote at the beginning.


You know that you are hard on the border and have already put a foot over it from time to time
although you spend at most only 100€ per year which fall under "leisure budget"?

And now find the error......

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Knochen
Elite
Cryptique wrote on 06/20/2019 at 16:54

Somehow you forgot what you wrote at the beginning just before the end.


You know that you are hard on the limit and have already put a foot over it from time to time
although you spend at most only 100€ per year which fall under "leisure budget"?

And now find the error......

I have been playing for 5 years. Since 2 years I have myself well under control. Before that, I had 1-2 years in which I played too much, but mainly in gambling houses. I don't want to claim that I am in the plus overall. I am rather strongly in the minus. But that is only because of my time in gambling houses, where I really never had myself under control. I have only been dealing with gambling for 2 years now. I can't find any fault with that.

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Mammon
Amateur
I personally don't believe in RTP, just like I don't believe that bones work for a casino
When you play every day you see many things and many things seem strange
For example, I've been playing Estern Emeralds for days and at the beginning I got small wins and then nothing at all. Several spins came to nothing. Therefore, I immediately turned off again and went somewhere else.

That's my advice to everyone: if nothing works, turn it off and enjoy the nice weather!

Memo to me: Follow the advice above.

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Dbac79
Elite

Blubbo33 wrote on 06/20/2019 12:02 PM
Sorry this is really bullshit to me
RTP are fairy tales in my eyes
I've been at it for years now and there are games where I don't come close to rtp

And sure I can write now, play another 2 years sometime comes the big hit to compensate

And maybe one more.
That would mean in reverse, always play only games where your rtp is bad, because in your opinion it will eventually equalize, and do not play in the games where your rtp is high that it inevitably leads to losses, to achieve a balance here.

it is not your rtp but the rtp of the machine, if you have 100,000 spins is not even 0.001% of all spins on the machine

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tEquilA
Amateur
t****m wrote on 06/20/2019 at 10:43 am: I have had my share of experiences in various casinos lately with the help of 8 player friends.

It is amazing how congruent our opinions on the individual casinos are.

We all without exception have been playing in Online Casinos for a very long time. In some cases, well over 10 years (StarGames)

The whole "test" took place over the period of just under a year. All "testers" have played in the same casinos
and the stakes were between 20 cents to a maximum of 1 euro per spin.

The highest single win of the 9 testers was 800 euros on 80 cents on the Play N Go game Book of Dead.

The second highest single win was 260 euros on bonus games in the Pragmatic Games game Gold Rush.

Now in short form to the individual casinos:



  • RIZK (Feeding after registration to then get worse and worse until as good as nothing comes, RTP is maintained only by small wins, Wheel of RIZK is a very bad joke because there never come anything - service is underground)

  • SlotsMillion (same handling as at RIZK...absolutely underground)

  • Lapalingo (feeding as so often and then it only goes downhill - extremely stroppy incompetent service)

  • LordLucky (belongs to Lapalingo...same approach as Lapalingo)

  • CasinoEuro (none of the 9 testers was able to win even one Euro here, totally disgusting rip-off, support is somehow non-existent)

  • Frank & Fred (here you were allowed to play with your money for a while in the beginning but not win, after that it only went downhill)

  • Fairplay (should change its name...also here none of the 9 testers could win something...zero support and slow games come in addition)

  • Twin (also a joke without any win of the 9 testers, also here the support is bad)

  • Videoslots (here all have been able to play at the beginning and also sometimes pay out something, this went so about 4 weeks...then the casino was dead for all of us)

  • LVBet (worked for a while with fake Novoline games, also here there was only one payout with 9 players)

  • Unibet (is only bad, with all test participants no wins, if you complain to the support you fly out)

  • Ikibu (feeding and indeed with without exception all 9 participants exactly 1 x...then it went only downward)

  • Dunder (absolutely the same procedure as ikibu)



Not listed here are the former big OCs like StarGames, Quasar, VIKS. These are now all no longer active on the German market.
At these casinos, at least I had wins and also higher payouts every now and then until the beginning of 2018. At Quasar, I was even seen on 1 year in the plus.
The other competitors have also made the same experience.

Also still played at: Platin, Duelz, GUTS, energy,betsson, stake7, energy, platin...... ... ..All the same miserable garbage!!!!

The current casinos are just huge money destroying machines for us.
Each of us has lost between 15 and 20 TD euros in the test period and there was not a hint of a chance in hindsight.
It is also no longer exciting to play. Entertainment factor is no longer there at all.

Since we all independently of each other amazingly similar to absolutely the same experiences have made what the individual casinos are concerned we are of the opinion that it is
in these casinos can not go with right things. The intersection is simply too large.

I currently consider this to be a giant scam machine.

Whether MGA or whichever supervisory authorities allegedly control compliance with the regulations. I / we don't believe a word of it.

Conclusion: That one does not become rich from playing should probably be clear to everyone who had not only singing and clapping in school. But the fact that this hobby is no longer even remotely fun, despite its high cost, should inspire everyone to think about stopping.

For the 9 of us, the current OC market is a huge scam and rip-off machine.

We have had our accounts deleted in all of the above casinos. There are fewer and fewer casinos and all the new casinos are getting even weirder.



But you do realize that the system is based on the fact that very few win a lot, some a little and many nothing? And the RTP odds do not mean that the money comes back to you or you win something. Only that the software within a certain period of time so and so much again gives out, to a few a lot, some a little, etc etc

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MisterL
Expert
question for bone sry
how much do you put into Online Casinos every month?
or do you only or exclusively take all the freerolls?
sounds to me like this
can no longer understand all your arguments
here's something for free oh I'm there
pay in no thanks only if there is something for free
let the other fools but fill the bag

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