You can also explain it normally without immediately making someone look stupid or stupid!
Not everyone understands the RTP!
Questions arise and that should be able to answer as an adult objectively!
Let me try to explain it again. Let's say you create a game (a fairly simple one) and want to determine the RTP or payout ratio. Then it works like this:
The game you created is a simple coin game. You toss a coin in the air and if heads comes, then you win and if tails comes, then you lose as a player.
Since each toss is random, it can happen that 20 times in a row tails comes and you lose (unlucky streak). It can also happen that you get heads 20 times in a row and win (lucky streak).
In the long run, if you flip the coin 1,000,000 times, you will get 500,000 heads and 500,000 tails. That means you will win 500,000 times and lose 500,000 times.
This game would have an RTP of 100% because if you flipped the coin an infinite number of times, you would end up neither winning nor losing.
Since each roll is random and therefore unpredictable, the RTP value can correctly only be stated as theoretical. Because even with 1,000,000 games, minimal deviations could still occur in practice (positive, as well as negative). The actual RTP can therefore be 99.99% or 100.01% at the "end".
Coin toss is a weak comparison. We are talking about a programmed machine here.
No manufacturer would take the Risk that the slot spits out too much
Logically, this means that the slot is programmed accordingly.
And in this programmed frame the slot moves.
Since it is still a secret, how the providers calculate the RTP
or how the slot is programmed, you will never know after how many spins or after
how many spins or after what time the "specified" value is reached
As long as all this remains in the dark, the casinos expose themselves to all kinds of speculation
Speculations
The stated RTP at Videoslots also does not bring me. One has a
Big Win, and has an RTP of 4500%, the other spins 100x, and has an RTP of
12%. So I can not buy anything from these data, and everything remains speculation.
Especially since there are millions of other players on this slot, and I don't know how they
have performed. So I can't buy anything from it either. That I have after a Big Win
i have a good RTP, I know myself. And if I hardly win, I have a bad RTP.
That's why I still don't know if the casino basically keeps the stated RTP of the slots
of the slots.
Why are there slots between 93-just under 98%? Maybe because they can be programmed?
Why can Videoslots lower the RTP? Because they can be programmed!
The fairy tale of absolute chance cannot be seriously believed.
Instead of making it transparent for once, casinos will intentionally keep this in the dark.
No one knows whether a slot spits out 60% or 99%.
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It is also good that you, we can not buy anything from these values, because then it would be predictable and therefore unfair
jokers11 wrote on 08/17/2019 4:07 pm: Coin toss is a weak comparison. We are talking about a programmed machine here.
No manufacturer would take the Risk of the slot spitting out too much
Logically means that the slot is programmed accordingly.
And in this programmed frame the slot moves.
Since it is still a secret, how the providers calculate the RTP
or how the slot is programmed, you will never know after how many spins or after
how many spins or after what time the "specified" value is reached
As long as all this remains in the dark, the casinos expose themselves to all kinds of speculation
Speculations
The stated RTP at Videoslots also does not bring me. One has a
Big Win, and has an RTP of 4500%, the other spins 100x, and has an RTP of
12%. So I can not buy anything from these data, and everything remains speculation.
Especially since there are millions of other players on this slot, and I don't know how they
have performed. So I can't buy anything from that either. That I have after a Big Win
i have a good RTP, I know myself. And if I hardly win, I have a bad RTP.
That's why I still don't know if the casino basically keeps the stated RTP of the slots
of the slots.
Why are there slots between 93-just under 98%? Maybe because they can be programmed?
Why can Videoslots lower the RTP? Because they can be programmed!
The fairy tale of absolute chance cannot be seriously believed.
Instead of making it transparent for once, casinos will intentionally keep this in the dark.
No one knows whether a slot spits out 60% or 99%.
videoslots can not lower the rtp, they can only provide a version which has a lower rtp than the other version
videoslots can not lower the rtp, they can only provide a version which has a lower rtp than the other version
And how does that help now?
Does that change anything now that we don't have a clue,
whether a slot, after tens of millions of spins and at least as many players
Players, we don't know which RTP the slot has after e.g. one year?
Year? No, so what should we do with your statement now?
jokers11 wrote on 08/17/2019 5:33 PM
So how does this help now?
Does that change anything now that we have no clue,
whether a slot after tens of millions of spins and at least just as many
Players do not know what the overall RTP of the slot after, for example, one
Year? No, so what should we do with your statement now?
do you have any idea whether the mushrooms of your pizza are manipulated or not? no, but you eat them anyway
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Dbac79 wrote on 08/17/2019 5:35 PM
do you have any idea if the mushrooms in your pizza are genetically engineered or not? no you eat them anyway though
Next stupid statement.
But I like to explain it: it is a difference for me, if a pizzeria cheats me for a few euros
a few euros, or whether a casino unjustly collects huge amounts!
Depending on the gambler with security several thousand euros, should no Big Win under it is, which is very
is very likely.
Gibts also still a reasonable statement, or it remains now at the level?
But I like to explain it: it is a difference for me, if a pizzeria cheats me on a yearly basis
cheats me a few euros, or whether a casino wrongfully collects vast amounts!
Depending on the gambler with security several thousand euros, should no Big Win under it is, which is very
is very likely.
Gibts also still a reasonable statement, or it remains now at the level?
do not babble around, if the casinos cheat you then prove it too
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By the fact that the casinos as well as the providers conceal, how high the RTP actually is,
you only need to count this on 5 fingers.
If necessary, it also helps if you think about it yourself
Remedy would be, for example, a public list of deposits and withdrawals of the individual slot in a
Period of one year of all casinos, which are registered with the
MGA are registered. Ideally by an independent control authority. By this I do not mean
the MGA. Based on this list, you could then actually calculate an RTP that is correct,
and also has significance.
Your sole RTP of VS brings you zero.
It is very exhausting to discuss with you.
You have to chew everything so small!
jokers11 wrote on 17/08/2019 at 18:28: By the fact that the casinos as well as the providers conceal how high the RTP actually is,
you only need to count this on 5 fingers.
If necessary, it also helps if you think about it yourself
Remedy would be, for example, a public list of deposits and withdrawals of the individual slot in a
Period of one year from all casinos, which are registered with the
MGA are registered. Ideally by an independent control authority. By this I do not mean
the MGA. Based on this list, you could then actually calculate an RTP that is correct,
and also has significance.
Your sole RTP of VS brings you zero.
It is very exhausting to discuss with you.
You have to chew everything so small!
You make it too easy and you think because you or someone else has invested a lot of money in the eating machines that must now be a fraud. Earlier you also call absolute coincidence, but they do not advertise with absolute coincidence. Each Provider calculates the RTP based on the probability of individual wins and then that is verified, independent Instutionen check there with.
And how the provider does that is up to him, there are different ways, for example, one way are reel sets and on it, each symbol has an equal chance to be displayed in the relevant area. Example:
(This is then a single reel, and the bold marked area is relevant). In addition there are also other variants, with programming then alternatively also algorithms would be possible and large arrays (In it then quite many symbols are e.g. {A;A;K;Scatter;K;TopSymbol;K;K;Q;Q;J;J;Q;K;Scatter;K;K;A;Wild;K;Q;Q;Q;...} and each place in the array is symbolized by a number and by the algorithm a number from 0 to size of the array is picked out e.g. 5-4-12 for the first line (In this case: K - Scatter - Q). There are many possibilities and you can see that the chance for the good stuff is of course DEUTHLY lower. Chance is not fair, but determined. Because the frame is predetermined, the probability of high symbols low.
In BTG, for example, they have most likely lowered the probabilities for purple (top symbol) in the first reel and in the third reel compared to the others. Thus, most of the wins are rather 2x wins. You are visually deceived and you don't understand at first how bad the chances are.
In Dead or Alive and also many other games a different reel setting can be used in free spins, not for nothing one wonders where the wilds sometimes disappeared to. There is another Megaway game from a provider whose name escapes me Flowers Fortune, you collect so glowing balls and from the first level Wilds are then spread. As long as one does not have 3-4 Wilds massively available, but if one has it one looks for single Wilds in vain and if then in Reel 4 or 5 if no win comes about. Very annoying, but within the bounds of possibility.
My opinion is not to play at all, then you have to struggle neither great with it and also not with each high payout fear that is not paid out, that documents are still needed, that you can take a lot of time or that the bank makes stress.
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Let me try to explain it again. Let's say you create a game (a fairly simple one) and want to determine the RTP or payout ratio. Then it works like this:
The game you created is a simple coin game. You toss a coin in the air and if heads comes, then you win and if tails comes, then you lose as a player.
Since each toss is random, it can happen that 20 times in a row tails comes and you lose (unlucky streak). It can also happen that you get heads 20 times in a row and win (lucky streak).
In the long run, if you flip the coin 1,000,000 times, you will get 500,000 heads and 500,000 tails. That means you will win 500,000 times and lose 500,000 times.
This game would have an RTP of 100% because if you flipped the coin an infinite number of times, you would end up neither winning nor losing.
Since each roll is random and therefore unpredictable, the RTP value can correctly only be stated as theoretical. Because even with 1,000,000 games, minimal deviations could still occur in practice (positive, as well as negative). The actual RTP can therefore be 99.99% or 100.01% at the "end".
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No manufacturer would take the Risk that the slot spits out too much
Logically, this means that the slot is programmed accordingly.
And in this programmed frame the slot moves.
Since it is still a secret, how the providers calculate the RTP
or how the slot is programmed, you will never know after how many spins or after
how many spins or after what time the "specified" value is reached
As long as all this remains in the dark, the casinos expose themselves to all kinds of speculation
Speculations
The stated RTP at Videoslots also does not bring me. One has a
Big Win, and has an RTP of 4500%, the other spins 100x, and has an RTP of
12%. So I can not buy anything from these data, and everything remains speculation.
Especially since there are millions of other players on this slot, and I don't know how they
have performed. So I can't buy anything from it either. That I have after a Big Win
i have a good RTP, I know myself. And if I hardly win, I have a bad RTP.
That's why I still don't know if the casino basically keeps the stated RTP of the slots
of the slots.
Why are there slots between 93-just under 98%? Maybe because they can be programmed?
Why can Videoslots lower the RTP? Because they can be programmed!
The fairy tale of absolute chance cannot be seriously believed.
Instead of making it transparent for once, casinos will intentionally keep this in the dark.
No one knows whether a slot spits out 60% or 99%.
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videoslots can not lower the rtp, they can only provide a version which has a lower rtp than the other version
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And how does that help now?
Does that change anything now that we don't have a clue,
whether a slot, after tens of millions of spins and at least as many players
Players, we don't know which RTP the slot has after e.g. one year?
Year? No, so what should we do with your statement now?
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do you have any idea whether the mushrooms of your pizza are manipulated or not? no, but you eat them anyway
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Next stupid statement.
But I like to explain it: it is a difference for me, if a pizzeria cheats me for a few euros
a few euros, or whether a casino unjustly collects huge amounts!
Depending on the gambler with security several thousand euros, should no Big Win under it is, which is very
is very likely.
Gibts also still a reasonable statement, or it remains now at the level?
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do not babble around, if the casinos cheat you then prove it too
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you only need to count this on 5 fingers.
If necessary, it also helps if you think about it yourself
Remedy would be, for example, a public list of deposits and withdrawals of the individual slot in a
Period of one year of all casinos, which are registered with the
MGA are registered. Ideally by an independent control authority. By this I do not mean
the MGA. Based on this list, you could then actually calculate an RTP that is correct,
and also has significance.
Your sole RTP of VS brings you zero.
It is very exhausting to discuss with you.
You have to chew everything so small!
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You make it too easy and you think because you or someone else has invested a lot of money in the eating machines that must now be a fraud. Earlier you also call absolute coincidence, but they do not advertise with absolute coincidence. Each Provider calculates the RTP based on the probability of individual wins and then that is verified, independent Instutionen check there with.
And how the provider does that is up to him, there are different ways, for example, one way are reel sets and on it, each symbol has an equal chance to be displayed in the relevant area. Example:
Reel 1----------------------Reel 2 ----------------------Reel 3
Q .... ... .
Q ... . ... .
Q ... . ... .
K ... . ... .
K ... . ... .
Scatter ... . ... .
_________
Q ... . ... .
Q ... . ... .
A ... . ... .
_________
TopSymbol .... ... .
A ... . ... .
A ... . ... .
A ... . ... .
Scatter ... . ... .
Q ... . ... .
Q ... . ... .
K ... . ... .
K ... . ... .
Scatter
(This is then a single reel, and the bold marked area is relevant). In addition there are also other variants, with programming then alternatively also algorithms would be possible and large arrays (In it then quite many symbols are e.g. {A;A;K;Scatter;K;TopSymbol;K;K;Q;Q;J;J;Q;K;Scatter;K;K;A;Wild;K;Q;Q;Q;...} and each place in the array is symbolized by a number and by the algorithm a number from 0 to size of the array is picked out e.g. 5-4-12 for the first line (In this case: K - Scatter - Q). There are many possibilities and you can see that the chance for the good stuff is of course DEUTHLY lower. Chance is not fair, but determined. Because the frame is predetermined, the probability of high symbols low.
In BTG, for example, they have most likely lowered the probabilities for purple (top symbol) in the first reel and in the third reel compared to the others. Thus, most of the wins are rather 2x wins. You are visually deceived and you don't understand at first how bad the chances are.
In Dead or Alive and also many other games a different reel setting can be used in free spins, not for nothing one wonders where the wilds sometimes disappeared to. There is another Megaway game from a provider whose name escapes me Flowers Fortune, you collect so glowing balls and from the first level Wilds are then spread. As long as one does not have 3-4 Wilds massively available, but if one has it one looks for single Wilds in vain and if then in Reel 4 or 5 if no win comes about. Very annoying, but within the bounds of possibility.
My opinion is not to play at all, then you have to struggle neither great with it and also not with each high payout fear that is not paid out, that documents are still needed, that you can take a lot of time or that the bank makes stress.
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