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Online Casinos in general: Videoslots and the RTP value (Page 6)

Topic created on 11th Aug. 2019 | Page: 6 of 16 | Answers: 157 | Views: 41,686
toska19
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 06:27 pm CEST#51
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Dbac79 wrote on 08/16/2019 5:06 PM

well you can document every spin and then calculate if your RTP is about right

I noticed that too and exactly only in this casino. I have won a few times well. Now comes purely nothing more. No free spins and when- then practically no win. That's why I pay there nothing more, it is so that I have my won money then again there verblatert.

I know that there is nothing more to expect
Since I have paid in now again over 200.- step by step always 10-15, is purely nothing. There will be no more win over a longer period. Like a switch that was flipped.

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Quippie
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 06:46 pm CEST#52
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Dbac79 wrote on 08/16/2019 5:06 PM

well you can document every spin and then calculate if your RTP is approximately correct

So I mean the not... maybe I expressed myself wrong. Meant, if the manufacturer or the casino says, the slot has a rtp of 95%. Who says that the value is correct? They can tell a lot. Everything is controlled, but you can not check whether the information is really true and how thoroughly really controlled. I compare for me now simply times with tüv... so 100% are the namely here also net always... and if I already "theoretical" and "actual" rtp read... 🥴

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Dbac79
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 07:04 pm CEST#53
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toska19 wrote on 08/16/2019 6:27 PM

I noticed it too and exactly only in this casino. I have won well a few times. Now purely nothing comes. No free spins and when- then practically no win. That's why I pay there nothing more, it is so that I have my won money then again there verblatert.

I know that there is nothing more to expect
Since I have paid in now again over 200.- step by step always 10-15, is purely nothing. There will be no more win over a longer period. Like a switch that was flipped.

so you assume that you continue to win blithely after you have won?

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Anonym

Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 09:48 pm CEST#54
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Have there times a question: how is that calculated rtp?
If I play for example with 10 cents and win 100€ I have a high rtp

If I start with a high rtp with 2€ bet is that then recalculated?

Loss and win rtp on hear bet must be different?

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Liquid
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 09:48 pm CEST#55
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You just don't get what rtp means, do you?

Once again: Make several thousand spins, write them down and compare them, you will more or less get the rtp. (More or less because it takes much more spins to be really accurate).

Boy... that's like talking to a wall

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Anonym

Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 09:57 pm CEST#56
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Liquid wrote on 08/16/2019 9:48 pm: You just don't get what rtp means do you?

Once again: Make several thousands of spins write it down and compare you will more or less come to the rtp. (More or less because it takes much more spins to be really accurate).

Boy... thats like talking to a wall

Return to Provider ^^

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Kleinkariert
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 10:18 pm CEST#57
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Babooo76 wrote on 16/08/2019 at 21:48: Have a question: how is this calculated rtp?
If I play for example with 10 cents and win 100€ I have a high rtp

If I start with a high rtp with 2€ bet is that then recalculated?

Loss and win rtp on hear bet must be different?

It is actually quite simple, but many can not distinguish RTP and payout ratio. At first glance, it may not be easy, but you can quickly figure it out. Therefore, first a few explanations of terms:

1. Turnover

Every spin leads to a turnover. If you spin 50x on 1 €, this is 50 € turnover and this value is decisive for the further calculation.

2. Wins

Every win no matter how big is added up. Simplest way: turnover - Deposit = total winnings

3. Calculation

So let's assume one has deposited 10 €, 50x on 1 € can turn until one was on 0 €. Total winnings to make this possible are 50x turned to 1 € = 50 € minus the deposit of 10 € = 40 € (<- total winnings).

Now divide the total winnings by the turnover: 40 € / 50 € = 80% RTP (even though you didn't pay out anything!). Unfortunately, this is often confused with the deposit and withdrawal ratio.

(Overall, the RTP does not show how high your personal chance is to win big there, it only shows what the total loss is on average and mostly this is triggered by small wins with which you can spin 3-5x more often e.g. because 2 Scatters pay out a win)

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snopsim
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 10:36 pm CEST#58
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Kleinkariert wrote on 08/16/2019 at 22:18
It's actually quite simple, but many can't distinguish RTP and payout ratio. At first glance, maybe not easy, but you have it out actually quickly. Therefore, first a few explanations of terms:

1. Turnover

Every spin leads to a turnover. If you spin 50x on 1 €, this is 50 € turnover and this value is decisive for the further calculation.

2. Wins

Every win no matter how big is added up. Simplest way: turnover - Deposit = total winnings

3. Calculation

So let's assume one has deposited 10 €, 50x on 1 € can turn until one was on 0 €. Total winnings to make this possible are 50x turned to 1 € = 50 € minus the deposit of 10 € = 40 € (<- total winnings).

Now divide the total winnings by the turnover: 40 € / 50 € = 80% RTP (even though you didn't pay out anything!). Unfortunately, this is often confused with the deposit and withdrawal ratio.

(Overall, the RTP does not show how high your personal chance is to win big there, it only shows what the total loss is on average and mostly this is triggered by small wins with which you can spin 3-5x more often e.g. because 2 Scatters pay out a win)

Thanks for the good explanation

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Anonym

Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 10:51 pm CEST#59
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Kleinkariert wrote on 08/16/2019 at 22:18
It's actually quite simple, but many can't distinguish RTP and payout ratio. At first glance, maybe not easy, but you have it out actually quickly. Therefore, first a few explanations of terms:

1. Turnover

Every spin leads to a turnover. If you spin 50x on 1 €, this is 50 € turnover and this value is decisive for the further calculation.

2. Wins

Every win no matter how big is added up. Simplest way: turnover - Deposit = total winnings

3. Calculation

So let's assume one has deposited 10 €, 50x on 1 € can turn until one was on 0 €. Total winnings to make this possible are 50x turned to 1 € = 50 € minus the deposit of 10 € = 40 € (<- total winnings).

Now divide the total winnings by the turnover: 40 € / 50 € = 80% RTP (even though you didn't pay out anything!). Unfortunately, this is often confused with the deposit and withdrawal ratio.

(Overall, the RTP does not show how high your personal chance is to win big there, it only shows what the total loss is on average and mostly this is triggered by small wins with which you can spin 3-5x more often e.g. because 2 Scatters pay out a win)

You are wrong

I have here from further ahead what reinkopiert where a user times the definition of the RTP directly at the MGA has written out or translated:


Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Remote-Gaming-Regulations-438.04_English-version.pdf

The licensee of games, which work with a (simply said) Random Number Generator, must ensure that the win of the player AVERAGE is 92% of the individual bet. Since the MGA talks about an average value, related to the single bet, we also need the Y-axis... respectively a period to which this average refers (logically then only the average of all staked values of the bets is to be taken)

Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Return-to-Player-Directive.pdf


The calculation of the RTP refers to a period of one year! And not on a single game... but the average payout of ALL offered games with the same category of the random generator (to what extent the slots are categorized can not be traced). And what is still very very important. This RTP... refers to a licensee and not to the website!


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Kleinkariert
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Videoslots and the RTP value

16th Aug. 2019, at 11:19 pm CEST#60
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Cryptique wrote on 08/16/2019 10:51 PM
You are wrong

I have copied something here from further ahead where a user once wrote out or translated the definition of RTP directly at the MGA:


Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Remote-Gaming-Regulations-438.04_English-version.pdf

The licensee of games, which work with a (simply said) Random Number Generator, must ensure that the win of the player AVERAGE is 92% of the individual bet. Since the MGA talks about an average value, related to the single bet, we also need the Y-axis... respectively a time period to which this average refers (logically then only the average of all staked values of the bets is to be taken)

Source: https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Return-to-Player-Directive.pdf


The calculation of the RTP refers to a period of one year! And not on a single game... but the average payout of ALL offered games with the same category of the random generator (to what extent the slots are categorized can not be traced). And what is still very very important. This RTP... refers to a licensee and not to the website!



In the thread was also answered + that has nothing at all to do with the personal RTP calculation (think you mean the section in parentheses)

But even with a year my explanation does not become wrong and the translation came from a very frustrated player. Interpretation is abundant in such regulation and the more logical variant was also in the thread.

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