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Videoslots and the RTP value
17th Aug. 2019, at 07:33 pm CEST#81
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First of all, thank you for the detailed explanation.
Then I have not sunk thousands, as I am a controlled player
however, I also often think about certain things.
I don't know now if I read over it, but the answer how now the
Providers come to the preset RTP, over what period and how many spins
how many spins I still do not know
And most importantly, how do I know if this is all true? Since the RTP is calculated for all players and spins
i will never be able to calculate the RTP by myself.
I have then my own RTP, but not the one that is in the explanation of the slot!
with it!
And which independent control authorities control this?
Do they get all the logs of the slots with Deposit and withdrawal?
Why do the providers or casinos make such a state secret out of it?
out of it? This only encourages mistrust and accusations of fraud.
And there is not a single plausible reason why players, who pay
Who pay money for it are not completely enlightened
Why don't you go and say: on the Dead or Alive slot, in 2018, at all GMA casinos, the following were
the following
Deposits made.....thereby X€ were retained, and X€ paid out.
If you want to make it 100%, then it would still be interesting how much on the
different stakes was deposited and paid out.
This would significantly increase the transparency and the belief in a halfway honest
Spielspass significantly increase!
My opinion is yes not play at all, then you do not have to struggle with it great and also not with every high payout fear that is not paid out, that still documents are needed, that you take a lot of time or that the bank makes stress.
Wow, then we can dissolve this forum and visit a spelling course. Also has something.
Why don't you go and say: at the slot Dead or Alive in 2018 at all GMA casinos were
the following
Deposits made.....thereby X€ were retained, and X€ paid out.
If you want to make it 100%, then it would still be interesting how much on the
different stakes was deposited and paid out.
Because even a casino does not stand for the RTP but the game provider. And deposit/withdrawal has nothing to do with the RTP, rather turnover/win.
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Videoslots and the RTP value
17th Aug. 2019, at 09:13 pm CEST#84
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bruffl wrote on 08/17/2019 at 21:08
Because even a casino does not stand for the RTP but the game provider. And deposit/withdrawal has nothing to do with RTP, rather revenue/win.
If you know the Deposit and withdrawal of a slot, you can very
calculate the RTP. How else????
Do the providers not tell the casinos the RTP?
So the casino can probably calculate it itself.
If it wanted to.
Why can you look at the casinos the game itself?
They know exactly how much money was deposited on game level A at slot A, and
how much was paid out. This will also go fully automatically to have an
To have an overview. But apparently no one gets to see it.
Why?
Even in casinos, you can take a look at the payin and payout when you open the machine
you can take a look at the payin and payout. Nothing is hidden there.
Why do the casinos do it, or the providers because of me?
Ultimately, it is a value that is not comprehensible to anyone and therefore wastepaper
Would be the same if I had an arcade and would tell you, with me you have ne rtp of 98% and you all come to me and gamble, yes unfortunately no one has won, because yesterday my brother has gambled here and won before you. And the next time coincidentally the same
Is a stupid example but shows how it goes.
And maybe one more thing about rtp, I play for ages btg, have only had 1 hit over 1000 x.
And my say and write about last 20 deposits a 50 or 100 at Videoslots are gone in no time . Tens of different slots. Nix.
Bonanza freegames on 4 € 80 €, on 5 € 130 €, and not to speak of the small free games.
Since I have probably had bad luck with my rtp.
Man stop it, either the casino wants to give you something or not.
Don't worry I'm not frustrated, just shaking my head how some believe their luck is dependent on the rtp, which in reality does not exist.
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Videoslots and the RTP value
17th Aug. 2019, at 11:16 pm CEST#86
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Blubbo33 wrote on 08/17/2019 10:10 pm: Find it cool how everyone is concerned about rtp.
At the end of the day it's a value no one can comprehend and therefore wastepaper
Would be the same if I had ne arcade and would tell you, with me you have ne rtp of 98% and you all come to me and gambles, yes unfortunately no one has won, because yesterday my brother has gambled here and won before you. And the next time coincidentally the same
Is a stupid example but shows how it goes.
And maybe one more thing about rtp, I play for ages btg, have only had 1 hit over 1000 x.
And my say and write about last 20 deposits a 50 or 100 at Videoslots are gone in no time . Tens of different slots. Nix.
Bonanza freegames on 4 € 80 €, on 5 € 130 €, and not to speak of the small free games.
Since I have probably had bad luck with my rtp.
Man stop it, either the casino wants to give you something or not.
Don't worry I'm not frustrated, just shaking my head how some believe their luck is dependent on the rtp, which in reality does not exist.
This version seems the most plausible to me!
Especially since there really is not a single real proof that casinos
adhere to such a thing
jokers11 wrote on 08/17/2019 at 19:33: First of all, thank you for the detailed explanation.
Then I have not sunk thousands as I am a controlled player
am, however I also often think about certain things.
I don't know now if I over read it, but the answer as to how now the
Providers come to the preset RTP, over what period and how many spins
how many spins I still do not know
And most importantly, how do I know if this is all true? Since the RTP is calculated for all players and spins
i will never be able to calculate the RTP by myself.
I will have my own RTP, but not the one that comes with the explanation of the slot!
with it!
And which independent control authorities control this?
Do they get all the logs of the slots with Deposit and withdrawal?
Why do the providers or casinos make such a state secret out of it?
out of it? This only encourages mistrust and accusations of fraud.
And there is not a single plausible reason why players, who pay
Who pay money for it are not completely enlightened
Why don't you go and say: on the Dead or Alive slot, in 2018, at all GMA casinos, the following were
the following
Deposits made.....thereby X€ were retained, and X€ paid out.
If you want to make it 100%, then it would still be interesting how much on the
different stakes was deposited and paid out.
This would significantly increase the transparency and the belief in a halfway honest
Spielspass significantly increase!
As a player you can not understand that can only a supervisory authority if they would do their job. But rather unlikelymich that a large fraud is present, but can be that individual parts of the chain cheat times.
Sometimes the Provider, sometimes a casino, ... otherwise I think that there is no mass fraud in the here by some players meant Threas. Regarding the test report I row back I have possibly mistaken and will ask again and research. Had it confused with what else.
I apologize for my accusation that you could have gambled more. Was not my best day. Questioning is better than believing everything, but I think you have to find a healthy measure to things.
How the provider comes to his own theoretical numbers I have explained whether they are true I can not currently prove. How it looks overall and whether the RTP is adhered to I can not prove, but at individual casinos is displayed what a RTP their players have in the slot (eg Videoslots) but you could pessimistically also say that it is falsified.
At Lapalingo you can see the respective maximum winnings in individual slots. It is at least clear that the maximum Win factor is never reached in many games. Of course, this leaves room for speculation.
(All written with cell phone, I just make sure that it is readable and eigl. I do not want to write such huge posts but sometimes a topic just very interested and you do not want to leave anything out)
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Videoslots and the RTP value
18th Aug. 2019, at 01:09 am CEST#88
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I get the coin toss thing.
But now the real question:
Example I always throw with 1 cent!
My loss is say at 100 coins 50 coins converted to 50 cents.
So Rtp 50 if I have understood correctly.
But now I throw only 2€
Does the Rtp have an influence on my bet?
With a throw of 2€ and immediately the first win.
Would my rtp increase to impact ?
Kleinkariert wrote on 08/18/2019 10:20 AM
It is always shown in relation. The RTP does not increase abruptly just because you change the bet unless the win is extremely high.
If you put in 1 cent and win 2 cents then it has the approx. effect like if you put in 2 € and win 4 €.
I think it's good that you deal with it and try to explain it, but is it by the fact that it is not comprehensible unfortunately only a tactical value?
And that refers to the slot, not to my personal spins, what good is a good rtp if others win before me ?
Videoslots and the RTP value
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Then I have not sunk thousands, as I am a controlled player
however, I also often think about certain things.
I don't know now if I read over it, but the answer how now the
Providers come to the preset RTP, over what period and how many spins
how many spins I still do not know
And most importantly, how do I know if this is all true? Since the RTP is calculated for all players and spins
i will never be able to calculate the RTP by myself.
I have then my own RTP, but not the one that is in the explanation of the slot!
with it!
And which independent control authorities control this?
Do they get all the logs of the slots with Deposit and withdrawal?
Why do the providers or casinos make such a state secret out of it?
out of it? This only encourages mistrust and accusations of fraud.
And there is not a single plausible reason why players, who pay
Who pay money for it are not completely enlightened
Why don't you go and say: on the Dead or Alive slot, in 2018, at all GMA casinos, the following were
the following
Deposits made.....thereby X€ were retained, and X€ paid out.
If you want to make it 100%, then it would still be interesting how much on the
different stakes was deposited and paid out.
This would significantly increase the transparency and the belief in a halfway honest
Spielspass significantly increase!
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Wow, then we can dissolve this forum and visit a spelling course. Also has something.
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Because even a casino does not stand for the RTP but the game provider. And deposit/withdrawal has nothing to do with the RTP, rather turnover/win.
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If you know the Deposit and withdrawal of a slot, you can very
calculate the RTP. How else????
Do the providers not tell the casinos the RTP?
So the casino can probably calculate it itself.
If it wanted to.
Why can you look at the casinos the game itself?
They know exactly how much money was deposited on game level A at slot A, and
how much was paid out. This will also go fully automatically to have an
To have an overview. But apparently no one gets to see it.
Why?
Even in casinos, you can take a look at the payin and payout when you open the machine
you can take a look at the payin and payout. Nothing is hidden there.
Why do the casinos do it, or the providers because of me?
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Ultimately, it is a value that is not comprehensible to anyone and therefore wastepaper
Would be the same if I had an arcade and would tell you, with me you have ne rtp of 98% and you all come to me and gamble, yes unfortunately no one has won, because yesterday my brother has gambled here and won before you. And the next time coincidentally the same
Is a stupid example but shows how it goes.
And maybe one more thing about rtp, I play for ages btg, have only had 1 hit over 1000 x.
And my say and write about last 20 deposits a 50 or 100 at Videoslots are gone in no time . Tens of different slots. Nix.
Bonanza freegames on 4 € 80 €, on 5 € 130 €, and not to speak of the small free games.
Since I have probably had bad luck with my rtp.
Man stop it, either the casino wants to give you something or not.
Don't worry I'm not frustrated, just shaking my head how some believe their luck is dependent on the rtp, which in reality does not exist.
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This version seems the most plausible to me!
Especially since there really is not a single real proof that casinos
adhere to such a thing
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As a player you can not understand that can only a supervisory authority if they would do their job. But rather unlikelymich that a large fraud is present, but can be that individual parts of the chain cheat times.
Sometimes the Provider, sometimes a casino, ... otherwise I think that there is no mass fraud in the here by some players meant Threas. Regarding the test report I row back I have possibly mistaken and will ask again and research. Had it confused with what else.
I apologize for my accusation that you could have gambled more. Was not my best day. Questioning is better than believing everything, but I think you have to find a healthy measure to things.
How the provider comes to his own theoretical numbers I have explained whether they are true I can not currently prove. How it looks overall and whether the RTP is adhered to I can not prove, but at individual casinos is displayed what a RTP their players have in the slot (eg Videoslots) but you could pessimistically also say that it is falsified.
At Lapalingo you can see the respective maximum winnings in individual slots. It is at least clear that the maximum Win factor is never reached in many games. Of course, this leaves room for speculation.
(All written with cell phone, I just make sure that it is readable and eigl. I do not want to write such huge posts but sometimes a topic just very interested and you do not want to leave anything out)
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But now the real question:
Example I always throw with 1 cent!
My loss is say at 100 coins 50 coins converted to 50 cents.
So Rtp 50 if I have understood correctly.
But now I throw only 2€
Does the Rtp have an influence on my bet?
With a throw of 2€ and immediately the first win.
Would my rtp increase to impact ?
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Videoslots and the RTP value
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It is always displayed in relation. The RTP does not increase abruptly just because you change the bet unless the win is extremely high.
If you bet 1 cent and win 2 cents then it has the same effect as if you bet 2 € and win 4 €.
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I think it's good that you deal with it and try to explain it, but is it by the fact that it is not comprehensible unfortunately only a tactical value?
And that refers to the slot, not to my personal spins, what good is a good rtp if others win before me ?
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