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Topic created on 15th May. 2023 | Page: 1 of 3 | Answers: 38 | Views: 7,061
Falke
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 02:19 pm CEST#1
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I would like to discuss the topic of recovering gambling losses a little more broadly here, and do so completely objectively and detached from the moral issue. My aim here is to discuss the current state of affairs and also to set the record straight on a few things that are not quite right or are partly completely wrong, for example in the article below.

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/wie-funktioniert-geschaeft-mit-casino-sofortentschaedigungen/

In the article is written:

"Thus, an article published in August last year was about the fact that despite a legally binding judgment of the Osnabrück Regional Court, a gambling Provider did not refund the lost amounts . "

This point is already not presented correctly. Once a casino is legally convicted, you get a title. There are many casinos that therefore nevertheless do not pay immediately and are therefore seized. The casino can not simply "not" pay. It then simply takes longer to get the money and a successful garnishment is carried out.

"Only recently, for example, the Supreme Court in Austria ruled that losses suffered in online Poker may be recovered from a casino operator. "

Is also not correct. In Austria the legal situation is 100% clear and has been for about 4 years. In Austria, all cases are decided 100% for the player. There are rulings from the ECJ, the Austrian Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court.

The recent Supreme Court ruling even goes one step further and clearly states that the funds can even be reclaimed if the player knew about the illegality. To put it in a nutshell: In Austria, players have carte blanche. They can Deposit in MGA casinos and reclaim the money at any time. This throws the entire responsibility onto the casinos and is intended to make it unattractive for casinos to admit Austrian players. You can think what you want about that, but that is the current legal situation in Austria.

"Player receives the agreed compensation amount immediately from the lawyer (purchase of receivables)"

No, the player does not receive anything from the lawyer. It would be illegal if the lawyer would buy a claim. The player receives the amount from a litigation funder and the lawyer is the middleman between the two. In many cases where a Debt purchase is made, often lawyers are not even directly involved.


"Experience shows that sometimes as little as 15 percent, 10 percent or even as little as 5 percent is offered as an "immediate payment.""

That's right. An immediate payment is a very bad deal. Better to take out a normal lawsuit financing contract where you get about 60% - 70% of your loss.


"Then he may only get 1,000 or even only 500 euros from the law firm. "

No. This is implying illegal behavior on the part of the lawyers. The lawyers pay NOTHING out to the players. And it is mentioned several times in the article that the lawyers are buying or paying out anything, which is simply false.


To make a long story short: In Austria you can get your losses back with a 100% success rate and in Germany it is not quite clear yet, but also here the legal situation is becoming more and more clear and tends to go in favor of the players.

Please do not delete or close this thread, I really made an effort here to reflect the current legal status here. Yes, I know there is already a similar thread, but I would like to discuss it without moral component. This is only supposed to be about the legal side. Even on other major gambling sites this is discussed and discussions are allowed.

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Tonkabohne
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 02:32 pm CEST#2
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Well, we in Germany don't really care what the Austrians do.

White, only that there are numerous law firms that have specialized in this.

Whether there is success, no idea

Do not pursue this further - because those who demand money back - simply give the GlüStV a breeding ground to regulate us 🤦‍♀️

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gamble1
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 02:43 pm CEST#3
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I once had to do with a Provider in various areas customers receivables to buy it is no matter whether Insurance and flights or banks or even casinos

In my case it was about an insurance but I could not resist to make a short trip to the casino area and the automatic calculator times to throw on with exactly the result what I had already suspected because it ran with the insurance already so outrageous

Deposit of various casinos e.g. 60k immediately compensation 2,500 € including waiver of the remaining money and with the addition in 99% of cases no court to see as a witness from the inside but with the small possibility to be summoned as a witness at some point

This is now an example with an immediate compensation provider but even with one that only finances the costs it will look in case of success certainly also so bottomless

No one is but for the poor players because he just feels like it's only about a bunch of money even if you like what is told otherwise

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Falke
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 02:54 pm CEST#4
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Yes, I totally agree. The instant purchases are pure rip-off. In Austria, for example, the best thing would be to pay the lawyer yourself, because otherwise in many cases you just give money to the litigation financier. But here you should be well versed and know which casinos are willing to pay and which are not. Because if you have to garnish the money, a process financier pays off again in full. And it's also smart to use a process financier in Germany, since the legal situation here is not yet clear. But you should stay away from instant purchases in any case.

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sonne10
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 06:05 pm CEST#5
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-Link removed-


you can ask 🤣


Edit by Andre: Links directly to the pages are not allowed, mentioning by name is allowed

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upola
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15th May. 2023, at 06:59 pm CEST#6
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Falcon wrote on 15.05.2023 at 14:54:

But from the instant purchases you should take distance in any case.

What many but will not do because there is immediately coal to continue gambling.

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sonne10
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 07:17 pm CEST#7
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gamesright you can ask what chance you have to get his loss back again .Just search in Internet gamesright Hamburg

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Falke
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 07:56 pm CEST#8
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upola wrote on 15.05.2023 at 18:59:

What many but will not do because there is immediately coal to continue gambling.

Well, so few are stupid that they take for example at 10,000 € only 1,000 €. And times quite honestly, if someone is so stupid, then also the entire 10,000 € would help nothing more. Then the money should rather put some process financier in his new yacht, before further casinos are fed.


I mean, more than to enlighten people about how bad such a deal is, you can not do.

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gamble1
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 08:00 pm CEST#9
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Falcon wrote on 15.05.2023 at 19:56:

Well, so few are stupid that the for example with 10,000 € only 1,000 € take. And let's be honest, if someone is so stupid, then the entire 10,000 € would not help. Then the money should rather put some process financier in his new yacht, before further casinos are fed.


I mean, more than to enlighten the people about how bad such a deal is, you can not do.

Well most are just then but "only addicts" so really pathological there it would then no stupidity but simply controlled by the addiction stupidity

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Falke
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 08:00 pm CEST#10
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sonne10 wrote on 15.05.2023 at 19:17: gamesright you can ask what chance you have to get his loss back again .Just search in Internet gamesright Hamburg

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Is there any reason why you send a laughing milie with every post? Probably didn't get the joke. A process financier can also search for yourself from the Internet.


I'd also be strongly in favor of only posting personal experiences with lawyers/litigation financiers here (if at all) and not just randomly picking any out. You don't know whether and how reputable they are and you might get one or the other player into trouble.

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upola
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 08:59 pm CEST#11
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Falcon wrote on 15.05.2023 at 20:00:

Is there any reason why you send a laughing milie with every post? Probably didn't get the joke. Anyone can find a litigation funder on their own from the internet too.


I'd also be strongly in favor of only posting personal experiences with lawyers/litigation financiers here (if at all) and not just randomly picking any out. You don't know if and how serious they are and you might get one or the other player into trouble.

Here, many have already told the go to the lawyer or look for a Prozessfinanziere, heard one then but never again something.

Therefore, probably no one will be found here who can report from experience.

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Falke
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Recoveries from casinos - what is the legal situation?

15th May. 2023, at 09:08 pm CEST#12
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upola wrote on 15.05.2023 at 20:59:

Here already many have told the go to the lawyer or look for a Prozessfinanziere, heard one then but never again something.

Therefore, probably no one will be found here who can report from experience.

I could report a lot from experience, because I know some people who have done that. But I don't want to name any law firms or the like. You can find them everywhere on the Internet anyway. I am only interested in illuminating the legal side.

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upola
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15th May. 2023, at 09:18 pm CEST#13
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Falcon wrote on 15.05.2023 at 21:08:

I could report a lot from experience, as I know some people who have done this. But I also don't want to name any law firms or the like here. You can find everywhere on the Internet anyway. I am only interested in illuminating the legal side.

You know yourself that there is no uniform case law, because it is of course difficult to illuminate the legal side.

You should not name a law firm but I would be interested in what experience the people you know have made.

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Falke
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15th May. 2023, at 09:21 pm CEST#14
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upola wrote on 15.05.2023 at 21:18:

You know yourself that there is no uniform case law, it is of course difficult to illuminate the legal side.

You should not name a law firm but I would be interested in what experience the people you know have made.

The experience is that in Austria all cases are won without exception. In Germany, there are certainly different verdicts, but the tendency is also strongly in the direction of the player.


I think that in Germany a few cases were lost because inexperienced lawyers got involved. The legal situation in Germany is actually clear, as the ECJ ruling is also binding here.

Or what do you want to know specifically? What is the procedure, how long do you have to wait, etc.? Feel free to ask me any question about it.

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16th May. 2023, at 08:44 am CEST#15
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How long does such a procedure take in Schmitt us how long does it take until the casinos pay and do the casinos pay at all us what happens if the casinos do not pay.

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