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8th Apr. 2019, at 09:42 am CEST#201
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Daniel wrote on 08/04/2019 at 09:38: @threadcreator: have you contacted any of these lawyers now? And if no, why not?
Please do so that you can be helped as much as possible, saving you time and nerves. You have nothing to lose and we have also offered you our help and assured you that we will completely finance the initial consultation. After that we have to see. Even if it would be too expensive, we have already looked for alternatives in the background. An initial consultation is nothing binding.
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8th Apr. 2019, at 10:05 am CEST#202
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Daniel wrote on 08.04.2019 at 09:23
That's right but I wouldn't call it a basic need now either. You can live without gambling - often even better. I lived without it for 26 years and didn't miss anything
But it's there now and can't be gotten rid of - that's just a fact. So you should steer it in an orderly way (but not "over steer").
Right and also the laws should be accordingly, a ban would only make it worse! There would be no more Player protection, no MGA to which one can turn in last instance! Players would meet even more than now in illegal bars, the crime statistics would rise. Money laundering and black money would be even more uncontrollable than it already is!
Kleinkariert wrote on 08/04/2019 08:06 AM
Nonsensical or not, prohibition is always possible. As you said yourself the majority of drugs may not be possessed (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, ... are legal and canabis and a few others may be used for medical purposes), thus consumers are burdened and it has quite an effect. Only a small part of the population uses drugs, the majority adheres to the prohibition.
You can't really equate drug prohibitions with gambling prohibitions. They are two different products. An online gambling ban can be equated with a ban on pirate copies.
Drug bans don't really work either, but still much better than bans on digital products. Bans on popular drugs like cannabis, however, tend to have a negative effect:
1. Bans mean that there is no protection for minors at all
2. Prohibition brings consumers into contact with shady characters, as there is no legal market. As a result, cannabis users also come into contact with harder drugs. The Dealer then says, I don't have cannabis today but I have XYZ ...
3. There are many more arguments. But there are other sites on the net that deal with this topic.
A lot of people consume cannabis, but thank God, despite the unfavorable initial situation, only a few resort to the more dangerous drugs.
In principle, alcohol and tobacco should also be better regulated and treated similarly to gambling. In other words, they should be banned from advertising and sold only in special stores or bars. Here, too, blocking systems could be set up to allow addicts to voluntarily exclude themselves from the offer. Well, something like that will never happen with alcohol and tobacco, we don't need to have any illusions about that - the lobby is far too powerful, especially in the alcohol sector.
Alcohol and tobacco directly and indirectly cause much more damage to society than gambling ever can. Personally, I'd rather have an empty bank account and debts than lung cancer or other tobacco- and alcohol-induced diseases.
You can certainly ban gambling. The UK banned Internet porn, and for the most part it worked. If the state simply blocks all casino sites, what then? Sure, there will be some who use proxies or VPNs or whatever to get around it. However, they will then have massive problems depositing and withdrawing money if no payment Provider executes payments to casinos anymore. Whether there are therefore more mafia casinos? I don't even necessarily think so. The German market is certainly an important market for many Maltese/British Online Casinos but it is not the only one. Providers like Videoslots, LeoVegas, SlotsMillion etc. would all continue to exist in case of a German ban. Only in the case of a worldwide ban would there not be a single reputable provider left
As already said, not all players would therefore stop playing online, but certainly most of them. The problem is that this is not compatible with the European freedom of service providers anyway, so we will hardly see the situation. It can't get any more forbidden than it is now anyway
Bone wrote on 08/04/2019 at 10:47: You can definitely ban gambling. The UK has banned internet porn.
So if you can successfully ban internet porn, you can really ban anything - even the air you breathe. Are you sure this will be successful? Well, I can't imagine that can be successful - unless you have an internet like North Korea has.
Daniel wrote on 08/04/2019 at 09:38: @threadcreator: have you contacted any of these lawyers now? And if no, why not?
Please do so that you can be helped as much as possible, saving you time and nerves. You have nothing to lose and we have also offered you our help and assured you that we will completely finance the initial consultation. After that we have to see. Even if it would be too expensive, we have already looked for alternatives in the background. An initial consultation is nothing binding.
Really nice of you I must say thumbs up
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8th Apr. 2019, at 11:19 am CEST#207
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Of course you can ban everything but as said pointless! The consequences would be exactly the opposite of what the ban should aim......
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Knochen wrote on 08/04/2019 10:47: You can certainly ban gambling. The UK banned internet porn, it worked for the most part. If the state just blocks all casino sites, then what? Sure, there will be some who use proxies or VPN or whatever to get around that. However, they will then have massive problems depositing and withdrawing money if no payment Provider executes payments to casinos anymore. Whether there are therefore more mafia casinos? I don't even necessarily think so. The German market is certainly an important market for many Maltese/British Online Casinos but it is not the only one. Providers like Videoslots, LeoVegas, SlotsMillion etc. would all continue to exist in case of a German ban. Only in the case of a worldwide ban would there not be a single reputable provider left
As already said, not all players would therefore stop playing online, but certainly most of them. The problem is that this is not compatible with the European freedom of service providers anyway, so we will hardly see the situation. It can't get any more forbidden than it is now anyway.
Name me one country other than North Korea where there is no online gambling! Of course, the censorship of the Internet's a way but in Germany is freedom of speech and freedom of information and no politician would dare to change what!
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8th Apr. 2019, at 11:27 am CEST#209
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Daniel wrote on 08/04/2019 08:13 PM
I talked a few posts earlier about an idea I had. I did research and this is actually being developed and is basically ready for the market. Pandora's box is already opening. Details coming soon ...
So when I read your posts I have slight concerns....
I mean, from the Pandora's box only bad things come out according to legend, does that mean that it will run in the future still besch...ener for us gamblers?
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8th Apr. 2019, at 11:32 am CEST#210
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Cryptique wrote on 04/08/2019 11:27 AM
So when I read your posts I have slight concerns....
I mean, from the Pandora's box come out according to legend only bad things, does that mean that it runs in the future still besch...ener for us gamers?
Am now already directly curious what that should be for an idea^^
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Right and also the laws should be accordingly, a ban would only make it worse! There would be no more Player protection, no MGA to which one can turn in last instance! Players would meet even more than now in illegal bars, the crime statistics would rise. Money laundering and black money would be even more uncontrollable than it already is!
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You can't really equate drug prohibitions with gambling prohibitions. They are two different products. An online gambling ban can be equated with a ban on pirate copies.
Drug bans don't really work either, but still much better than bans on digital products. Bans on popular drugs like cannabis, however, tend to have a negative effect:
1. Bans mean that there is no protection for minors at all
2. Prohibition brings consumers into contact with shady characters, as there is no legal market. As a result, cannabis users also come into contact with harder drugs. The Dealer then says, I don't have cannabis today but I have XYZ ...
3. There are many more arguments. But there are other sites on the net that deal with this topic.
A lot of people consume cannabis, but thank God, despite the unfavorable initial situation, only a few resort to the more dangerous drugs.
In principle, alcohol and tobacco should also be better regulated and treated similarly to gambling. In other words, they should be banned from advertising and sold only in special stores or bars. Here, too, blocking systems could be set up to allow addicts to voluntarily exclude themselves from the offer. Well, something like that will never happen with alcohol and tobacco, we don't need to have any illusions about that - the lobby is far too powerful, especially in the alcohol sector.
Alcohol and tobacco directly and indirectly cause much more damage to society than gambling ever can. Personally, I'd rather have an empty bank account and debts than lung cancer or other tobacco- and alcohol-induced diseases.
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As already said, not all players would therefore stop playing online, but certainly most of them. The problem is that this is not compatible with the European freedom of service providers anyway, so we will hardly see the situation. It can't get any more forbidden than it is now anyway
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So if you can successfully ban internet porn, you can really ban anything - even the air you breathe. Are you sure this will be successful? Well, I can't imagine that can be successful - unless you have an internet like North Korea has.
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Really nice of you I must say thumbs up
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Name me one country other than North Korea where there is no online gambling! Of course, the censorship of the Internet's a way but in Germany is freedom of speech and freedom of information and no politician would dare to change what!
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So when I read your posts I have slight concerns....
I mean, from the Pandora's box only bad things come out according to legend, does that mean that it will run in the future still besch...ener for us gamblers?
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Am now already directly curious what that should be for an idea^^
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