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Topic created on 02nd Apr. 2019 | Page: 20 of 26 | Answers: 253 | Views: 76,898
Daniel
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Indication because of §285 StGB

6th Apr. 2019, at 01:22 pm CEST#191
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mmessner29 wrote on 06.04.2019 at 11:03: I am also a customer of Volksbank and have never had any problems with winnings being paid out to my account. Had online gambling at 'n appointment once addressed. After a relatively high win I was asked where the money comes from and then told. There were no problems, on the contrary, the consultant has reacted rather cool. Is just ne gray area the topic, so right no one looks through there!

That will also remain the exception. And as I said, that procedure against the TE is set to 99% or he is all at the latest in the second instance to 99.99% acquitted. There everything came together. Incompetent bank adviser + Incompetent public prosecutor

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Anonym

Indication because of §285 StGB

7th Apr. 2019, at 06:00 pm CEST#192
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illmnzi wrote on 05/04/2019 at 21:34: @clockertype

would like to apologize, am straight from all clouds fallen that actually despite reversal (victim compensation) earnings from criminal acts are taxed and then even in the aftermath because of tax evasion is reported... had simply not thought it. sry.

lg


All good. Sorry if I was out of line. Was not my day;-)

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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 12:28 am CEST#193
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I can fully agree with Daniel. There needs to be sensible regulation.



This whole state monopoly is reminiscent of the times of the Weimar Republic. However, the tide is turning and, according to a survey, more than 60 percent of respondents now approve of opening up the market. That's why I appeal to everyone to keep gambling and not allow the basic need for gambling to be restricted.



Does anyone know in this regard whether advertising for Online Casinos on blogs and websites in Germany are completely banned with the advertising ban?


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Knochen
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 12:41 am CEST#194
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Phil1 wrote on 08/04/2019 at 00:28: I can fully agree with Daniel. There needs to be some sensible regulation.



This whole state monopoly is reminiscent of times of the Weimar Republic. However, the tide is turning and, according to a survey, more than 60 percent of respondents now approve of opening up the market. That's why I appeal to everyone to keep gambling and not allow the basic need for gambling to be restricted.



Does anyone know in this regard whether advertising for Online Casinos on blogs and websites in Germany are completely banned with the advertising ban?



But there is no basic need for gambling. Judges in Germany once ruled on the basis of man's natural gambling instinct, but even that is a bit fuzzy

If you look at the basic biological, social or psychological needs of a human being, gambling is certainly not one of them. Gambling can possibly fill a hole if another basic need such as recognition or self-realization is not fulfilled, but that is then rather unhealthy to consider.

One should see this quite soberly: No one needs gambling to lead a fulfilled life, gambling is addictive and leads to massive social problems. On the other hand, it can be fun. For the individual, it would probably really make the most sense to ban gambling and to do so consistently. The normal person gains no added value from it, rather the opposite.

But what p**ses me off is the way gambling is supposed to be illegal in Germany. How can it be that I, if I am of age, can gamble in every big city on every corner at the machine, play the lottery, go to a casino and play Roulette and that's all fine. But if I play in an online casino I make myself liable to prosecution for participating in illegal gambling? That's a f**king joke. So a state monopoly prohibits gambling on the Internet, but at the same time allows private providers to set up tens of thousands of machines in gaming arcades, pubs, gas stations and kebab stands, because that's not supposed to be gambling. The expert who was involved in this legal classification has hopefully collected a really big check

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m****9

Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 01:35 am CEST#195
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Bone wrote on 04/08/2019 00:41 PM
But there is no basic need for gambling. Judges in Germany once ruled on the basis of man's natural gambling instinct, but even that is a bit squishy

If you look at the basic biological, social or psychological needs of a human being, gambling is certainly not one of them. Gambling can possibly fill a hole if another basic need such as recognition or self-actualization is not fulfilled, but that is then rather unhealthy to consider.

One should see this already completely soberly: No one needs gambling to lead a fulfilled life, gambling is addictive and leads to massive social problems. On the other hand, it can be fun. For the individual, it would probably really make the most sense to ban gambling and to do so consistently. The normal person gains no added value from it, rather the opposite.

But what p**ses me off is the way gambling is supposed to be illegal in Germany. How can it be that I, if I am of age, can gamble in every big city on every corner at the machine, play the lottery, go to a casino and play Roulette and that's all fine. But if I play in an online casino I make myself liable to prosecution for participating in illegal gambling? That's a f**king joke. So a state monopoly prohibits gambling on the Internet, but at the same time allows private providers to set up tens of thousands of machines in gaming arcades, pubs, gas stations and kebab stands, because that's not supposed to be gambling. The expert who was involved in this legal classification has hopefully collected a really big check.

In the 21st century, something like sports betting, whether online or offline, cannot be prevented at all, so a ban would be nonsensical. As long as sports betting is legal, the state has control over it. It's similar to drugs, forbidden by law, but still consumed.... A ban would not prevent people from gambling, it would play illegal gambling providers in the cards <---ambiguous ambiguous!

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Kleinkariert
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 08:06 am CEST#196
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mmessner29 wrote on 08/04/2019 at 01:35
In the 21st century, something like sports betting whether online or offline can not be prevented at all, so a ban would be nonsensical. As long as sports betting is legal, the state has control over it. It's similar to drugs, forbidden by law, but still consumed.... A ban would not prevent people from gambling, it would play illegal gambling providers in the cards <---ambiguous ambiguous!

Nonsensical or not, a ban is always possible. As you said yourself most of the drugs are not allowed to be possessed (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, ... are legal and canabis and some others are allowed to be used for medical purposes), thus consumers are burdened and it does have an effect. Only a small part of the population uses drugs, the majority adheres to the prohibition

You can always say it is no longer possible, but of course a ban is possible and can at least make gambling online significantly more difficult. Of course I'm in favor of a liberal attitude, but you shouldn't gloss over everything.

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Daniel
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 08:13 am CEST#197
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mmessner29 wrote on 08/04/2019 at 01:35
In the 21st century, something like sports betting whether online or offline can not be prevented at all, so a ban would be nonsensical. As long as sports betting is legal, the state has control over it. Is similar to drugs, prohibited by law is still consumed.... A ban would not prevent people from playing, it would play illegal gambling providers in the cards <---ambiguous ambiguous!

Correct, there is no way to ban online gambling in the medium or long term. Not feasible in practice. The mafia and people who finance terrorism are probably already waiting in the wings, looking at this market.

The inability and/or cowardice and/or greed of state gambling operators (but also some corporations) to face the market in a fair competition will eventually cost us fully complete Player protection and worsen the security situation of the general public. The former is as safe as breathing in a church. But the latter is as well, only the size of the impact on the general population is not yet foreseeable.

A complete ban, but also over-regulation or too strong a market restriction would be a disaster in the medium term for everyone involved, as well as for the general public.

The goal of good regulation must be to effectively protect sick, addicted gamblers but not to curtail the freedom of normal gamblers. Of course, the current player protection online cannot remain as it is. There must be a central blocking file or central blocking possibility for addicted players. For the most part, however, that's all that needs to happen online in terms of player protection. Offline, the construction sites in this area are currently much larger and more catastrophic. Yes, according to the law, no real gambling, blah, blah, blah ...

I talked a few posts earlier about an idea I had. I did research and this is actually being developed and is basically ready for the market. Pandora's box is already opening. Details on this coming soon ...

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Begbie
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 08:48 am CEST#198
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Bone wrote on 04/08/2019 00:41 PM
But there is no basic need for gambling. Judges in Germany once ruled on the basis of man's natural gambling instinct, but even that is a bit squishy

If you look at the basic biological, social or psychological needs of a human being, gambling is certainly not one of them. Gambling can possibly fill a hole if another basic need such as recognition or self-realization is not fulfilled, but that is then rather unhealthy to consider.

One should see this quite soberly: No one needs gambling to lead a fulfilled life, gambling is addictive and leads to massive social problems. On the other hand, it can be fun. For the individual, it would probably really make the most sense to ban gambling and to do so consistently. The normal person gains no added value from it, rather the opposite.

But what p**ses me off is the way gambling is supposed to be illegal in Germany. How can it be that I, if I am of age, can gamble in every big city on every corner at the machine, play the lottery, go to a casino and play Roulette and that's all fine. But if I play in an online casino I make myself liable to prosecution for participating in illegal gambling? That's a f**king joke. So a state monopoly prohibits gambling on the Internet, but at the same time allows private providers to set up tens of thousands of machines in gaming arcades, pubs, gas stations and kebab stands, because that's not supposed to be gambling. The expert who was involved in this legal classification has hopefully collected a really big check.

gambling is the second oldest trade after prostitution. gambling has therefore been going on for as long as man can remember.

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Daniel
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 09:23 am CEST#199
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Begbie wrote on 08/04/2019 08:48 AM

gambling is the second oldest profession after prostitution. gambling has therefore been going on for as long as man can remember.

That's right but as a basic need I would not call it now. You can live without gambling - often even better. I lived without it for 26 years and didn't miss a thing


But it's there now and can't be gotten rid of - that's just a fact. So you should steer it in an orderly way (but not "over steer").

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Daniel
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Indication because of §285 StGB

8th Apr. 2019, at 09:38 am CEST#200
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@thread creator: Have you contacted one of these lawyers now? And if not, why not?

Please do so, so that you can be helped as best as possible and so that you can save time and nerves. You have nothing to lose and we have also offered you our help and assured you that we will completely finance the initial consultation. After that we have to see. Even if it would be too expensive, we have already looked for alternatives in the background. An initial consultation is nothing binding.

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