unicorn wrote on 07/19/2021 at 18:51
Let the babern😂 freedom of services for service recipients, I throw me away 😂 that would mean I could order from a licensed, legal coffeeshop in Holland grass and have it delivered to Germany. And no, I'm still not allowed although the coffee shop is licensed in an EU country. Just switch on your brain Katharina
Of course, if I order today in Holland in a pharmacy, I get it, although it is not freely available in DE. And then we are not with grass, but in the gambling area what was legalized. These are basic rights we have. Where does it say that we are not Europeans and where is the prohibition ? Even judges distinguish DL providers and DL recipients. What you bring are limp comparisons and wrong.
The other I look at soon possibly. The other is even more devastating from you and only brings uncertainty. Make it factual and discuss from the area it concerns. And there it is about EU laws § 54 and their DL freedom in the EU and not about foreigners or migrants. This is not correct
So I'm out of the discussion. It is almost shocking what an absolutely wrong view Katharina has of the legal situation
@Katharina: You tear apart all the contexts of the case law in relation to gambling. You permanently, stubbornly, and irrevocably rely on a service takership that is absolutely irrelevant in this industry. You ignore countless sources that are unambiguous and refer to your sources, which are "quotenmeter.de" and some document that are on your PC under'm drive C: (uhh.. lol?!). You have "back then" already talked totally crazy with your DE domains. And the same here is again pretty crazy stuff... Yes, there are service providers and service recipients. But that has nothing to do with gambling at all. Casinos licensed in the EU are acting illegally (according to old GlüStv). Period. Out. This is (was) law and was banned (as if there is no ban...).
Even if you try: There is simply no point in discussing this with you
Das_Phantom wrote on 19.07.2021 at 22:51: So I'm out of the discussion. It's almost staggering what an absolutely wrong view Catherine has of the law
@Katharina: You tear apart all the context of the case law regarding gambling. You permanently, stubbornly, and irrevocably rely on a service takership that is absolutely irrelevant in this industry. You ignore countless sources that are unambiguous and refer to your sources, which are "quotenmeter.de" and some document that are on your PC under'm drive C: (uhh.. lol?!). You have already talked "back then" totally crazy stuff with your DE domains. And the same here is again pretty crazy stuff... Yes, there are service providers and service recipients. But that has nothing to do with gambling at all. Casinos licensed in the EU are acting illegally (according to old GlüStv). Period. Out. This is (was) law and was banned (as if there is no ban...).
Even if you try: There is simply no point in discussing this with you
You. Lie. With. Your. Opinion. Wrong.
Over and Out.
MG call it what you want, then just the freedom of services, because if there are suppliers there must also be buyers and no with § 56 ff. EU I have not dealt with, because I was only about the link
When is an online casino legal in Germany?
One essential point, for example, is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
The players decide
In summary, it is currently mainly up to the players where they prefer to play for real money. As long as the provider has an EU gambling license, users are on the safe side. So it all depends on what is more important to you personally: more security or the freedom to play as you see fit.
The freedom of services has a general character and does not apply to an area, should also be clear. I was only concerned about the link and on which basis this builds up, you can inquire gladly there.
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In your source every Hans and Franz can write something in, thereby it concerns no respectable sources. You cannot impress anyone with your Google knowledge, because you misunderstand everything that can be misunderstood. The freedom to provide services according to European law can only be invoked by companies or individuals who offer a service in another Eu country than the one in which they are based
My former European law professor would laugh his ass off if he knew what you are saying
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Katharina2 wrote on 20.07.2021 at 00:30
MG call it what you want, then just the freedom of services, because if there are providers there must also be buyers and no with § 56 ff. EU I have not dealt with, because I was only about the link
When is an online casino legal in Germany?
One essential point, for example, is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
The players decide
In summary, it is currently mainly up to the players where they prefer to play for real money. As long as the provider has an EU gambling license, users are on the safe side. So it all depends on what is more important to you personally: more security or the freedom to play as you see fit.
That the freedom of services has a general character and does not apply to an area, should also be clear. I was only concerned about the link and on which basis this builds up, you can inquire gladly there.
Bullshit, sorry...
You don't understand the simplest, legal connections; stop spreading such nonsense here and referring to dubious, industry-related sources
Every law and every legal principle is interpreted in practical application, by case law at the highest court level. On the subject of freedom of services, the ECJ has already clearly stated more than once that it is a subordinate right, which - insofar as interests worthy of protection collide with it - can be restricted at any time by national law. The straw that broke the camel's back has been blown, and if Germany had banned gambling forever, it would not have been a violation of EU law, provided the reasons were given
And to your source
The author of this piece of work takes over the argumentation of the lawyers of the gambling industry and turns the whole thing as if it were fact. To refer to such a source really shows expertise
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If you read here so, the eternal discussions about it... I am of the opinion, finally close this thread!
Set or not, in the end everything goes on normally. You all make yourselves far too crazy here, rather take care of the more important things in life...
Gambling has been around since 1170 and will always continue to exist in whatever form it takes.
Online gaming will sooner or later become more prevalent and find ways to make it more appealing to players. If the result is that they lose too many players because of the new law, the providers who want to continue to offer here, go other ways to keep the players or win new ones!
Tomi559 wrote on 20.07.2021 at 07:23: If you read here so, the eternal discussions about it... I am of the opinion, finally closes this thread!
Seeded or not, in the end everything goes on as normal. You are all making yourselves way too crazy here, better take care of the more important things in life...
Gambling has been around since 1170 and it will always continue to exist in whatever form it takes.
Online gaming will sooner or later become more prevalent and find ways to make it more appealing to players. If the result is that they lose too many players because of the new law, the providers who want to continue to offer here, go other ways to keep the players or win new ones!
I agree to a large extent
Either it will continue to be possible to play in casinos without the new rules without the threat of any consequences
Or the players will come to terms with the new rules. And in 2 years nobody will talk about low RTP anymore. It has then become accepted as normal.
Even if the tax model would be changed again, I hardly believe that the "old" rtp will return... And in a few years no one talks about it
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Antihero1335 wrote on 07/20/2021 at 04:30 PM
Bullshit, sorry...
You don't understand simplest, legal connections; stop spreading such nonsense here and referring to unserious, industry-related sources
Every law and every legal principle is interpreted in practical application, by case law at the highest court level. On the subject of freedom of services, the ECJ has already clearly stated more than once that it is a subordinate right, which - insofar as interests worthy of protection collide with it - can be restricted at any time by national law. The straw that broke the camel's back has been blown, and if Germany had banned gambling forever, it would not have been a violation of EU law, provided that it had been properly justified
And to your source
The author of this piece of work takes over the argumentation of the lawyers of the gambling industry and turns the whole thing as if it were fact. To refer to such a source really shows expertise
That is exactly how it is. Germany could theoretically have banned it completely if there was no so-called "milder means". The mitigating means is that only casinos with a Deposit limit of 1000€, 1€ Maxbet, German license, 5 sec. rule etc. are allowed or legal for the purpose of public welfare (interests worthy of protection)
unicorn wrote on 07/20/2021 at 11:09 AM
That's exactly how it is. Germany could have theoretically banned it completely if there was no so called "milder means". The milder means is that only casinos with Deposit limit of 1000€, 1€ Maxbet, German license, 5 sec rule etc. are allowed or legal for the purpose of public welfare (interests worthy of protection).
That's how it is..
Especially since many forget that there is still such a thing as e-wallet ... (yet)
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Of course, if I order today in Holland in a pharmacy, I get it, although it is not freely available in DE. And then we are not with grass, but in the gambling area what was legalized. These are basic rights we have. Where does it say that we are not Europeans and where is the prohibition ? Even judges distinguish DL providers and DL recipients. What you bring are limp comparisons and wrong.
The other I look at soon possibly. The other is even more devastating from you and only brings uncertainty. Make it factual and discuss from the area it concerns. And there it is about EU laws § 54 and their DL freedom in the EU and not about foreigners or migrants. This is not correct
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@Katharina: You tear apart all the contexts of the case law in relation to gambling. You permanently, stubbornly, and irrevocably rely on a service takership that is absolutely irrelevant in this industry. You ignore countless sources that are unambiguous and refer to your sources, which are "quotenmeter.de" and some document that are on your PC under'm drive C: (uhh.. lol?!). You have "back then" already talked totally crazy with your DE domains. And the same here is again pretty crazy stuff... Yes, there are service providers and service recipients. But that has nothing to do with gambling at all. Casinos licensed in the EU are acting illegally (according to old GlüStv). Period. Out. This is (was) law and was banned (as if there is no ban...).
Even if you try: There is simply no point in discussing this with you
You. Lie. With. Your. Opinion. Wrong.
Over and Out.
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MG call it what you want, then just the freedom of services, because if there are suppliers there must also be buyers and no with § 56 ff. EU I have not dealt with, because I was only about the link
When is an online casino legal in Germany?
One essential point, for example, is the legality of the gambling offer. It may come as a surprise, but even a casino without a German license can be legal. In this case, it is important that the Provider has a gambling license from an EU country. Then the basic principle of freedom of services within the European un ion comes into play. This allows citizens to use the services of a company as long as it is authorized to do so in an EU country.
As a player, you can therefore legally play in an online casino with a gambling license from Malta. In fact, most Online Casinos are licensed by the Malta Gaming Authority. This renowned regulatory body has been active since 2001 and enjoys an excellent reputation in the online gambling community. Legality and security of casinos without a German license are thus definitely guaranteed.
The players decide
In summary, it is currently mainly up to the players where they prefer to play for real money. As long as the provider has an EU gambling license, users are on the safe side. So it all depends on what is more important to you personally: more security or the freedom to play as you see fit.
Source: https://www.quotenmeter.de/n/125936/casinos-ohne-limit-online-gluecksspiel-im-ueberblick
The freedom of services has a general character and does not apply to an area, should also be clear. I was only concerned about the link and on which basis this builds up, you can inquire gladly there.
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My former European law professor would laugh his ass off if he knew what you are saying
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Bullshit, sorry...
You don't understand the simplest, legal connections; stop spreading such nonsense here and referring to dubious, industry-related sources
Every law and every legal principle is interpreted in practical application, by case law at the highest court level. On the subject of freedom of services, the ECJ has already clearly stated more than once that it is a subordinate right, which - insofar as interests worthy of protection collide with it - can be restricted at any time by national law. The straw that broke the camel's back has been blown, and if Germany had banned gambling forever, it would not have been a violation of EU law, provided the reasons were given
And to your source
The author of this piece of work takes over the argumentation of the lawyers of the gambling industry and turns the whole thing as if it were fact. To refer to such a source really shows expertise
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Set or not, in the end everything goes on normally. You all make yourselves far too crazy here, rather take care of the more important things in life...
Gambling has been around since 1170 and will always continue to exist in whatever form it takes.
Online gaming will sooner or later become more prevalent and find ways to make it more appealing to players. If the result is that they lose too many players because of the new law, the providers who want to continue to offer here, go other ways to keep the players or win new ones!
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I agree to a large extent
Either it will continue to be possible to play in casinos without the new rules without the threat of any consequences
Or the players will come to terms with the new rules. And in 2 years nobody will talk about low RTP anymore. It has then become accepted as normal.
Even if the tax model would be changed again, I hardly believe that the "old" rtp will return... And in a few years no one talks about it
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That is exactly how it is. Germany could theoretically have banned it completely if there was no so-called "milder means". The mitigating means is that only casinos with a Deposit limit of 1000€, 1€ Maxbet, German license, 5 sec. rule etc. are allowed or legal for the purpose of public welfare (interests worthy of protection)
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That's how it is..
Especially since many forget that there is still such a thing as e-wallet ... (yet)
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