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Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 492)

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2019 | Page: 492 of 1169 | Answers: 11,688 | Views: 1,474,321
2511-joker
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Chatterbox

17th Nov. 2021, at 10:59 pm CET#4961
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Everyone who does not get vaccinated is aware of the side effects. I am a high Risk patient, I want to have an intensive bed when I need it

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Butterbrezel
Elite

Chatterbox

17th Nov. 2021, at 11:16 pm CET#4962
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2511-joker wrote on 17.11.2021 at 22:59: Everyone who does not vaccinate is aware of the side effects. I am a high Risk patient, I want to have an intensive bed when I need it.


Everyone has a right to a bed...you just like any other person.


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2511-joker
Amateur

Chatterbox

17th Nov. 2021, at 11:23 pm CET#4963
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For an answer you need but damn long, I basically do not care what you think. Let people do what they think is right. And yes everyone is equal but no as I said who does not vaccinate should deal with the consequences. The disease is or can be fatal, everyone is aware of that

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Butterbrezel
Elite

Chatterbox

17th Nov. 2021, at 11:30 pm CET#4964
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2511-joker wrote on 17.11.2021 at 23:23: For an answer you need but damn long, I basically do not care what you think. Let people do what you think is right. And yes everyone is equal but no as I said who doesn't get vaccinated should deal with the consequences. The disease is or can be fatal, everyone is aware of that.

I ask for understanding that I do not update every minute whether ne answer is there. It's enough that I hang around here too much in the forum.

And yes everyone is the same but no

Ok, I'm out. That's enough for today


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2511-joker
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Chatterbox

17th Nov. 2021, at 11:32 pm CET#4965
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Have a nice evening! See you soon!

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ruhrpott
Expert

Chatterbox

18th Nov. 2021, at 07:26 am CET#4966
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I pick out 2 statements to show how stupid some really are.
First: Yes, there are vaccine breakthroughs. Are there many? Not really, if you consider that almost 60 million vaccinations have been administered.
But mathematics is apparently not everyone's strong point.

And then this:
What happens to the immune system if you don't boost?


An inactivated vaccine is another story. This is also tetanus, for example.

A booster is recommended every 10 years.



At the same time, however, the colleague ignores the fact that these vaccinations are adjusted annually for the flu season and are also administered annually. But does not fit yes in the own world view, wa?


And then come with the picture as a source...with the picture


And times my own statement and demand. I would refuse any kind of treatment to anyone who is voluntarily unvaccinated. Who behaves so incredibly unsolidarisch opposite a whole society has completely gambled away the right on the medical supply in my eyes. I would generally keep a certain percentage of intensive care beds free and when unvaccinated Covid patients arrive and there is nothing left of them, simply leave them outside the hospital
Your luck is that this is not possible for ethical reasons alone. Pity actually.
You accept cheaply that the staff is fully at the limit. You accept that the staff has to decide who should be saved and who should not be saved. You also accept that we have zero chance to live our lives completely like before Corona. And also you provide with your behavior for the fact that if whoever in an accident and on ne ITS must he it if necessary not can. But hey, solidarity what was that again? It's not just about you, it's about a community. Your stupid views are the reason that we are also facing this next fall

I sincerely hope that there will be a general obligation to vaccinate. And I also hope that the people who don't do it even then will be put in jail for a month. After that, everyone can reconsider and if the decision is again not made in favor of vaccination, the game with the month starts all over again.

By the way: Vector vaccines are new? Cool, how was Ebola vaccinated back then? Unbelievable, what some for a dirt secrete.

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Crypto
Amateur

Chatterbox

18th Nov. 2021, at 07:55 am CET#4967
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 11/17/2021 at 10:07 pm
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Check out the number of reported side effects and serious adverse reactions (page 46 at the link):

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/newsroom/dossiers/sicherheitsberichte/sicherheitsbericht-27-12-20-bis-30-09-21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=6

172,188 suspected cases and 21,054 serious reports.

The percentages would be more interesting, not any numbers that look nice and high
Here we are talking about the data at 107,888,714 vaccinations.
This means that 0.16% are considered as suspected cases
Serious reports are 0.02% of vaccinations.

Wutmaennchen wrote on 11/17/2021 at 10:07 pm
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The fact that there are more and more vaccine breakthroughs with severe course, sometimes more than in unvaccinated people, is just not mentioned much either.

https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/warum-sind-immer-mehr-geimpfte-auf-intensivstationen-was-bedeuten-impfdurchbrueche-GPW5T4NYSREMBAMORJ3G2QYYIQ.html

We have had a pandemic for almost 2 years and thousands of intensive care beds are being cut. In a pandemic! Because politics is not able to keep people and pay them cleverly and now it is slowly getting scarce because unplanned many vaccinated people have to be treated intensively. And instead of working on these issues, 2G is being discussed.

In the source given it is about 1/3 of patients who are vaccinated. Normally to interpret the number correctly, the number of vaccinated people in the population would have to be taken into account here. The proportion of vaccinated persons is higher than that of unvaccinated persons.
This already gives a different picture.
A small fact on the side: My wife works in a corona ward (not intensively). In contrast to the last big wave, most patients stay on this ward. Previously, many cases had to be transferred to the ICU. Therefore, the situation of the intensive care units there is fortunately somewhat more relaxed.

The "downsizing" of the intensive care beds is largely due to the lack of staff for it. What good is a bed if no one can monitor it?
And yes, that's where things really go wrong in our country. But especially in hospitals, it's not necessarily a problem of payment, but of everything around it. Like, for example, the staffing ratio.


Wutmaennchen wrote on 11/17/2021 at 10:07 pm
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Vaccine breakthroughs with severe course are becoming more common and may be due to ADE syndrome
May be, but doesn't have to be. But can be!
And only that it can be and occurs in this frequency, points for me on it. By the way, this was a "conspiracy theory" (I hate this word) at the beginning, which could be quite realistic now. This syndrome was already from the beginning a "suspicion" which was not determined however with the development. How could it be, if the vaccine is put on the market after half a year?

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/FAQs/DE/coronavirus/sicherheit-wirksamkeit-impfstoff/23-coronavirus-impfstoff-covid-19-ade-problem.html;jsessionid=891B5A2661586F59D38024C1AC27D788.intranet222

I take this as a purely personal feeling, if one something which was not proven so far, as indication takes that it is then nevertheless in such a way. The contribution is updated on 03.11.2021
[Irony on]I have also once heard there are beings in a house that always steal socks. Since it was mentioned more often, but can not be proven, it seems to be a real possibility then. [irony off]


Wutmaennchen wrote on 11/17/2021 at 10:07 pm:
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But this is all kept quiet, instead there is brainwashing of a special kind, that vaccinated people see unvaccinated people as danger / unsolidary, whatever. And many go along with it. It's like racism, only with and without injections.

The minimal percentage who deny the virus we leave out, otherwise, and I think I speak for many not against Corona vaccinated, it is simply because too many alternative facts speak against it and simply no confidence in the acting persons and the existing vaccine is there.

Brainwashing, racism. Strong words. Of course the one division is not desirable, no matter on what basis. But does not also belong to it if one posts numbers imposingly large and wants to arouse thereby possibly a certain impression? This happens again and again in recent months.
I like to discuss, but these topics are so hardened with many people that there is sometimes really no real "discussion" more.
Personally, I would have found it better if the data you had picked out had not simply been "hingerotzt", but also gone into it in more detail. This gives the typical impression of an image article
With the associated percentages, it is easier for one or the other to grasp. What he then starts with it must make out everyone with itself.

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mowolum
Elite

Chatterbox

18th Nov. 2021, at 10:12 am CET#4968
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I don't want to throw around numbers and forecasts or anything like that.
Everyone who does not get vaccinated ultimately decides for himself alone.
However, all the consequential damages that appear after a stay in an intensive care unit are very serious and long-lasting.
I know what I am talking about.
Everything has to be learned again, breathing, eating, speaking, walking and not to forget thinking, coordination and much more.
We have compulsory vaccinations for smallpox and others.

Self-endangering behavior means actions that consciously or unconsciously could cause harm to one's own health.
In addition, there is also the danger to others in the room.

But as I said, everyone decides for himself alone and it should not be a condemnation of those.

I don't wish it on anyone to have to go to the ITS, I don't wish it on any doctor to have to decide whom he treats.
Yes, everyone has a right to an ITS bed, but unfortunately the patients at Risk are put on the back burner.

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Stromberg
Legend

Chatterbox

18th Nov. 2021, at 11:05 am CET#4969
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Here's an article that puts the number of vaccine breakthroughs in some perspective.

https://web.de/magazine/news/coronavirus/schutzwirkung-coronaimpfung-vorsicht-fatalen-rechenfehlern-36352026

Also find it very important to always look at numbers in the big picture

This also applies to high incidences among the unvaccinated, where one must of course take into account the presumably significantly higher number of tests among the unvaccinated

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RiverSong
Legend

Chatterbox

18th Nov. 2021, at 01:44 pm CET#4970
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Crypto wrote on 18.11.2021 at 07:55: I like to discuss, but these topics are so hardened with many people that sometimes there is really no real "discussion".

if you look at the renewed aggravation of the situation should but every previously unvaccinated finally open a light and the decision is clear.
but you have it in your hands whether it will keep us busy for a few more years incl. massive restrictions or whether it will be proven in a few more months. do you really want that for years?


mowolum wrote on 18.11.2021 at 10:12 am: Everyone who does not vaccinate decides it ultimately for themselves alone.

no, unfortunately, the person decides with it also for his entire environment


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