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Topic created on 08th Jan. 2024 | Page: 4 of 7 | Answers: 94 | Views: 4,090
MisterL
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8th Jan. 2024, at 07:10 pm CET#46
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1 million skilled workers emigrate every year ergo we need immigration of skilled workers

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Falke
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8th Jan. 2024, at 07:20 pm CET#47
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MisterL wrote on 08.01.2024 at 19:10: 1 million skilled workers emigrate every year ergo we need skilled labor immigration

Yes, skilled workers are urgently needed. So why not bring them into the country?

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Butterbrezel
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8th Jan. 2024, at 07:21 pm CET#48
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Stromberg wrote on 08.01.2024 at 19:02:
I wasn't talking about the voters either.

In percentage terms, I see it about the same as you do.
I expressed it slightly differently, but I had already mentioned it in a previous post.

However, if a party wants to claim that it is not a N**i party, it should distance itself from obvious right-wing extremists like Höcke
should be distanced.

Yup. That's how it looks. As long as they don't do that, the 2% will continue to be a topic of conversation.

@ Topic: I'm curious to see whether the topic of new elections will really become an issue now. That would be cool.

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frapi07
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8th Jan. 2024, at 07:25 pm CET#49
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Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 17:52:

Yes, I could. Was in the right place at the right time and have a cottage on Crete. South coast. Would also be the right island, as the Cretans don't let you tell them much and, if necessary, act from the mountains for months. They've had to before. Just partisans. A bit eccentric, but amiable


If I got carried away and panicked, I'd be gone by now. As I said, I believe in a happy ending.

@frapi07
You're right, of course. It's the farmers' protest. It should therefore remain monothematic and not be hijacked. Nevertheless, everything is connected to everything else and it will certainly take time for everyone to grasp the whole picture.

Inflation, the energy crisis, etc. are of course connected. We are all affected by that, but what does the current migration policy have to do with it? There have ALWAYS been migrants who have integrated into society and done their bit, and others who have taken advantage of this. This didn't just start in Syria and the like. People have ALWAYS been welcomed with open arms (I mean after the Second World War, of course). There have always been unsightly districts. The only difference is that they are now "controlled" by others. It makes no difference to me because it was always criminal and still is.

What has changed is society. Society has become more selfish and uninhibited. What used to be taboo is no longer taboo. People who steal from other people or the state are celebrated by their fellow human beings. Theft of millions in Bremen - suspected perpetrator on the run (youtube.com) Take a look at the comments. There would never have been this much solidarity for a crime in the past. In the past, people would never have dared to attack a police officer. A week ago, the Berlin police had to ask not to be attacked.

I could go on and on here, but I think you can see what I'm getting at.

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mtorero
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8th Jan. 2024, at 07:43 pm CET#50
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Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 19:20:

Yes, skilled workers are urgently needed. So why not bring them into the country?

Germany's labor market is just as interesting for real skilled workers as its online gambling offer is for gamblers.

For benefit recipients, however, it is paradise.

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Saphira
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8th Jan. 2024, at 08:30 pm CET#51
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frapi07 wrote on 08.01.2024 at 19:25:

Inflation, energy crisis, etc. are of course related. We are all affected by that, but what does the current migration policy have to do with it? There have ALWAYS been migrants who have integrated into society and done their bit and others who have taken advantage of this. This didn't just start in Syria and the like. People have ALWAYS been welcomed with open arms (I mean after the Second World War, of course). There have always been unsightly districts. The only difference is that they are now "controlled" by others. It makes no difference to me because it was always criminal and still is.

What has changed is society. Society has become more selfish and uninhibited. What used to be taboo is no longer taboo. People who steal from other people or the state are celebrated by their fellow human beings. Theft of millions in Bremen - suspected perpetrator on the run (youtube.com) Take a look at the comments. There would never have been this much solidarity for a crime in the past. In the past, people would never have dared to attack a police officer. A week ago, the Berlin police had to ask not to be attacked.

I could go on and on here, but I think you can see what I'm getting at.

Well, the migration policy, and by that I mean the unchecked immigration and alimentation of refugees, has something to do with the farmers' protests in that billions are being thrown out the window while the farmers are being saved. I think Falke explained this in more detail above. I don't want to expand on that here either. However, I cannot deny that it has become more dangerous on Germany's roads due to a certain clientele, or that it has never been as dangerous as it is today. And no, it didn't used to be the case that you could no longer walk through the city in the evening or enjoy a visit to the swimming pool without fear of being attacked. This no longer only applies to women. It may still be different in the villages. But even here in my village there is already a no-go area. The police have simply given up. You only have to look at this year's New Year's Eve videos from the big cities, where there were hardly any Germans or women to be seen. That's probably why it was a bit milder than last year, because these groups could only work on themselves. I have many foreign acquaintances and neighbors who have integrated very well. But they come from Europe. There were never any problems. In my opinion, the Berlin police's begging video was a complete declaration of bankruptcy. It wasn't aimed at German citizens, but at those who simply don't fit in with us culturally.

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harleyGin
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8th Jan. 2024, at 09:20 pm CET#52
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Other companies and tradespeople joined the motorcade in our area.
They marched through the whole city in the morning and drove another route after an intermediate reconnaissance. Otherwise, the highway intersections and access roads into the city were completely closed in the morning. Everything went very peacefully.
And yes, you can understand the farmers, we all had to suffer again...
At least a few small things could be achieved today. Keep up the good work...

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MisterL
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8th Jan. 2024, at 09:58 pm CET#53
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How much do farmers actually earn? According to the Federal Statistical Office, the average gross salary in Germany is €4,105 per month (as of April 2022).

Of course, there is also a hierarchy, so the boss who works the hardest is naturally at the bottom of the hierarchy

This corresponds to a monthly gross salary of around 3216 euros in Munich and 2591 euros in Dresden. This puts farmers below the average gross salary in Germany.

Dream job



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BinGOLDiG
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8th Jan. 2024, at 10:08 pm CET#54
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frapi07 wrote on 08.01.2024 at 17:08:

Just kidding ^^ Just wanted to lighten the topic. No offense to you, but this is about farmers. What does any other topic have to do with it? That's why I wanted to troll a bit xD But nothing against you personally, you didn't write anything that explicitly bothered me either.

I used to spend €40 on a week's shopping, now it's €55-60 (depending on what's on sale). So nothing has doubled for me. Yes, it's expensive, but hey, that's what the minimum wage of €12 an hour is for. Compare that to 2015, when a kebab cost €3.50 - you had to work for about 25 minutes at €8/hour. Now you can get a kebab for €6-7. The minimum wage is €12.41, which is about half again.

Gas was also around 2€ at the peak, normal was 1.7 per liter. I don't see a doubling here either. Energy costs as well. about 15% increase. Yes, some prices shot up, but only because society is stupid. Sunflower oil for 5-6€, where you could always buy it for 1€. Why? Because people were simply stupid. The same with toilet paper.

But back to the main topic. Demos are okay, but when I see that some people are blocking the highways etc... does that have to be? I'm also harming people who have done me no harm. I am not affected by this. I work from home anyway. Nevertheless, I find it extremely selfish.

BinGOLDiG

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Touchy123
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8th Jan. 2024, at 10:09 pm CET#55
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And for those who live on 500 euros citizen's income, this is paradise?
Does anyone notice the contradictions?

So someone who has 1500 net is poor
But someone who has 500 citizen's income lives in paradise.

That's logic.

In Switzerland, an unskilled worker gets 3000 francs net.

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frapi07
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8th Jan. 2024, at 10:25 pm CET#56
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Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 20:30:

Well, the migration policy and I mean the unchecked immigration and alimentation of refugees has to do with the farmers' protests insofar as billions are being thrown out the window for it, while savings are being made on the farmers. I think Falke explained this in more detail above. I don't want to expand on that here either. However, I cannot deny that it has become more dangerous on Germany's roads due to a certain clientele, or that it has never been as dangerous as it is today. And no, it didn't used to be the case that you could no longer walk through the city in the evening or enjoy a visit to the swimming pool without fear of being attacked. This no longer only applies to women. It may still be different in the villages. But even here in my village there is already a no-go area. The police have simply given up. You only have to look at this year's New Year's Eve videos from the big cities, where there were hardly any Germans or women to be seen. That's probably why it was a bit milder than last year, because these groups could only work on themselves. I have many foreign acquaintances and neighbors who have integrated very well. But they come from Europe. There were never any problems. In my opinion, the Berlin police's begging video was a complete declaration of bankruptcy. It wasn't aimed at German citizens, but at those who simply don't fit in with us culturally.

It's not just the farmers who are being cut back. The tax subsidy has also expired in the restaurant industry. It had also been reduced from 19% to 7%. Yes, hardly any businesses have passed on this reduction, but many had to close during Corona and/or have to make do with a loss of sales (only to go). Even though I think it's right that this subsidy has been removed, I also think it happened too quickly. There have been no more lockdowns for 2 years. But have the companies been given enough time to recover? No, they haven't, because in the meantime they have had to cope with many other price increases (inflation/energy crisis and minimum wage). Have they all been protesting now? No, they didn't. They didn't accept it, but they couldn't prevent it.

Ultimately, the population has to bear the brunt of these crises. The state only helps in an alibi-like way. Did the €300 energy allowance help you? Does the state help with high inflation? I can count with one hand what the state has done to help: tax-free inflation premiums/corona premiums. Does everyone get them? No. Is that unfair? Yes. I've worked constantly in the 4 years I've lived through these crises. I haven't received a bonus yet. I won't get an inflation bonus for another 2 months. People who are in the lowest social class are hit the hardest, I agree with Falke. But instead of helping, nothing is done. You can see that best at the food bank. They are not supported by the state. They are dependent on donations from supermarkets. Since corona, donations have halved because supermarkets have also learned that customers can also stand in front of empty shelves.

Regarding the problems you described, I would like to refer you to my last post. This is due to today's society. It has changed. By the way, I don't live in a village, so of course the big cities in Middle Franconia (Erlangen/Fürth/Nuremberg) can't be compared with Cologne or Berlin. You are welcome to read through the security report ( 230315_ppmfr_sicherheitsbericht_2022.pdf (bayern.de) . There are many good, but also bad developments. But one thing is clear: it's always the same. On the whole, I don't see a significant increase in crime. The only thing that has increased significantly is child po***hia. But that's due to all the high-tech.

Unfortunately, it's always been difficult for women. They were always gawked at/harassed etc. Harassment used to be a little more passive, but in my eyes it's still harassment. There also used to be a problem with stalking. It's only in the last few years that people have realized how dangerous it can be and have taken appropriate measures.

When you look back at the past, you often become nostalgic. It happens automatically. But you have to remain objective and claiming that life was better in the past isn't right either.

Edit: @BinGoldIG was just about to write my comment, but yes, you can read through my 1st paragraph.

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Saphira
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8th Jan. 2024, at 10:29 pm CET#57
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@Falcon
If I decide to rent out the house, I will be happy to contact you again via PN. It is not directly by the sea, but 6 kilometers further up in the mountains. On a clear day you can see a Tip of the Libyan Sea, but you have to drive 10 minutes up a winding road to reach it. I'm actually quite happy about this, as the houses by the sea are somehow always clammy and damp.

@Garfield
Nobody riots there and fortunately there are no break-ins. On the one hand, the neighbors or the whole village would be on your back immediately, and on the other hand, a Cretan friend of mine keeps an eye on things all year round and regularly checks that everything is okay. He also takes the grapes, oranges, pomegranates and lemons that would otherwise be of no use.

@Stromberg
Crete is unique. The north coast is always a few degrees colder than the south coast, but there is more sand on the beaches. The south coast is definitely worth a visit if you fly there again.

Farmer protests: Now I have to watch all the videos from today. I can't keep up with them.

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upola
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How are the farmers' protests affecting you in the region?

9th Jan. 2024, at 05:41 am CET#58
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Touchy123 wrote on 08.01.2024 at 22:09: And those who live on 500 euros citizen's money for them this is a paradise?
Does anyone notice the contradictions?

So someone who has 1500 net is aarm
But someone who lives on 500 citizen's money lives in paradise.

That's logic.

In Switzerland, an unskilled worker gets 3000 francs net.

That's the typical milkmaid's calculation.

In addition to the 560 euro citizen's allowance, there are the rent costs, heating costs and various other costs on top.

Now add it all up and maybe you'll see the logic.

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gamble1
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How are the farmers' protests affecting you in the region?

9th Jan. 2024, at 06:09 am CET#59
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wettibernd wrote on 08.01.2024 at 14:05: There's a lot going on in Middle Franconia, it's been going on since about 5 o'clock, I stayed away from work, probably wouldn't have made it through. There'll be enough tomorrow. I can understand the farmers.
We can't spend 300 billion a year on asylum seekers and the rest of the world (cycle paths in Peru), but 40 billion for the farmers who secure our food is too much for the government. That's about €180 a year per adult citizen, which I'm happy to pay so that I can always buy enough to eat.

That's exactly how it looks our government is putting the wrong items on its list I mean of course you should also support other countries but not if you can't even get your own country through

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frapi07
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9th Jan. 2024, at 06:43 am CET#60
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upola wrote on 09.01.2024 05:41:

That's typical milquetoast math.

In addition to the 560 euros citizen's allowance, there are the rental costs, heating costs and various other costs on top.

Now add it all up and maybe you'll see the logic.


regelsatztorte2024-buergergeld.jpg (2048×2048) (hartziv.org)

Here you can see how much you get in each category. So it's certainly not bad for doing nothing, but it's not a good way to live. As the saying goes? Too little to live on, too much to die on. You have to do without some things. That's also fair. Working people give up leisure time - unemployed people give up consumption.

Touchy123 wrote on 08.01.2024 at 22:09: And for those who live on 500 euros citizen's income, is that a paradise?
Does anyone notice the contradictions?

So someone who has 1500 net is aarm
But someone who lives on 500 citizen's allowance lives in paradise.

That's logic.

In Switzerland, an unskilled worker gets 3000 francs net.

The cost of living in Switzerland is also significantly higher than in Germany. An unskilled worker here gets minimum wage. 1.900 gross. Should be around 1,300-1,400 net. Depends on the tax bracket.

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