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Other topics related to... : How are the farmers' protests affecting you in the region? (Page 2)

Topic created on 08th Jan. 2024 | Page: 2 of 7 | Answers: 94 | Views: 4,092
Stromberg
Legend

wettibernd wrote on 08.01.2024 at 14:05: There's a lot going on in Middle Franconia, it's been going on since about 5 o'clock, I stayed away from work, probably wouldn't have made it through. There'll be enough tomorrow. I can understand the farmers.
We can't spend 300 billion a year on asylum seekers and the rest of the world (cycle paths in Peru), but 40 billion for the farmers who secure our food is too much for the government. That's about €180 a year per adult citizen, which I'm happy to pay so that I can always buy enough to eat.

Yes.


But it's a shame that agriculture has to be subsidized at all...
Subsidizing according to the number of hectares of land means that the already fat farms also get a lot of money.
Cuts like the current ones hit the small farms the hardest, the big ones take them over and then cut even more subsidies.
In my opinion, the model should be revised.

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Tonkabohne
Top Member
Will once again be a gathering place for right-wing idiots and the f**king AFD!

Solidarity for the farmers is perfectly ok and justified.

It's a shame that not all sectors are joining in.

let the country stand still for 1 day 👍🙌

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Touchy123
Rookie

Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 14:23:

Oh my god, a German flag? They must be ultra right wing neo right wingers.

Omg is it the flag from 1849? The flag of the Reichsbürger?

I'm distancing myself here. That's too much. Political topics. The conspiracy theorists are wearing thick hats again. Which are also still glowing omg the constitutional state is a left-wing state wtf clear but because right-wing doesn't work at all then rather left of left to f**k everyone over like casinos in pirate outfits.

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Stromberg
Legend

Tonkabohne wrote on 08.01.2024 at 14:57: Will again be a gathering place for right-wing idiots and the f**king AFD !

Solidarity for the farmers is perfectly ok and justified.

Too bad that not all industries join in.

let the country stand still for 1 day 👍🙌

Presumably the right-wing idiots who don't work in agriculture at least don't have a tractor at home... 😁

I share your view of the Afd, but you have to be careful not to denigrate the protests with arguments such as infiltration from the right, etc. Unless of course that's really the case, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far...

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Saphira
Expert
Every large demonstration runs the Risk of being infiltrated by some fringe group. It's always been like that. Antifa will certainly be involved and disruptive today and in the coming days. Or the odd agent provocateur.

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Donnie
Expert
Most of those who are against the AfD are welcome to come to Duisburg. I can show them how many "asparagus pickers" and "strawberry pickers" there really are. According to the Minister of Economic Affairs, we need them to do the dirty jobs like working in a slaughterhouse. Tens of economic migrants and clans who receive tens of millions in social benefits and at the same time are a burden on the justice system, normal citizens and law enforcement agencies and just mess things up. Just the one house at a bus stop with the foreign, highly antisocial Lebanese incest family is wasting huge amounts of money and in gratitude they terrorize the people. You can always judge well if you have not experienced it yourself. I could tell you stories here, but you don't want to know them

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Stromberg
Legend
Donnie wrote on 08.01.2024 at 15:26: Most of those who are against the AfD are welcome to come to Duisburg. I can show you how many "asparagus pickers" and "strawberry pickers" there really are. According to the Minister of Economic Affairs, we need them to do the dirty jobs like working in a slaughterhouse. Tens of economic refugees and clans who receive tens of millions in social benefits and at the same time are a burden on the justice system, normal citizens and law enforcement agencies and just mess things up. Just the one house at a bus stop with the foreign, highly antisocial Lebanese incest family is wasting huge amounts of money and in gratitude they terrorize the people. You can always judge well if you have not experienced it yourself. I could tell you stories here, but you don't want to hear them

I believe it all, and it's time for a serious change in migration policy, no question about it.

I also understand that this is most likely to come from the Afd, that's obvious.
However, I still have hope that this will also be possible with another party, similar to Denmark.

You don't have to be a N**i to pursue a sensible migration policy, and N**is are not electable for me. My position is as simple as that.

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Falke
Expert

Stromberg wrote on 08.01.2024 at 15:17:

Probably the right-wing idiots who don't work in agriculture but at least don't have a tractor at home.... 😁

I share your view of the Afd, but you have to be careful not to denigrate the protests with arguments such as infiltration from the right etc. Unless of course that's really the case, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far...

It's always the same. As soon as there are protests that the politicians don't like, the N**i club is immediately unpacked. It's so boring and transparent, but many people fall for it again and again. Or even want to fall for it.


If you just look at developments over the last 10 years, it's simply frightening to see how extreme the situation has changed for the worse and it's all the fault of a handful of people who are only lining their own pockets, to the detriment of millions of people. And of course all the sleepers and hangers-on who look the other way or defame critics.

There would be no AFD at all if people were making halfway sensible policies.

When I said during the first lockdown that it would lead to massive inflation, I was berated and now some households can no longer afford food and that's just the beginning.
As someone who has a lot of experience with Islamic countries and warned about this in 2015, I was also insulted and now armed units are needed for Christmas markets, which are only allowed to be called winter markets out of a misguided sense of tolerance, and the streets in Germany are on fire on New Year's Eve, while some areas have become no-go areas.

Almost everything that is decided and done is against the interests of the population. It's actually a wonder that things haven't collapsed by now, but let's see what happens if inflation rises even further. The main thing is that the politicians have already accumulated enough money so that they can retire to a warm island somewhere in their vacation home.
By the way, I'm going to do that soon too and watch the whole mess from afar. I'm tired of all the people here.

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Stromberg
Legend

Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 15:45:

The main thing is that the politicians have already accumulated enough money so that they can move to a warm island somewhere in their vacation home.
By the way, I'm going to do that soon too and watch the whole mess from afar. I'm tired of all the people here.

Aha, so you're also one of the few people who have only been lining their pockets and amassing money...🧐😉


Yes, the fact that an extreme party of whatever stripe receives immense support can only be due to the failures of previous policies.
It's not as if 15, 16 or 17 percent suddenly changed their minds just for fun.

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Saphira
Expert

Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 15:45:

It's always the same. As soon as there are protests that are not acceptable to the politicians, the N**i club is immediately unpacked. It's so boring and transparent, but many people fall for it again and again. Or even want to fall for it.


If you just look at developments over the last 10 years, it's simply frightening to see how extreme the situation has changed for the worse and it's all the fault of a handful of people who are only lining their own pockets, to the detriment of millions of people. And of course all the sleepers and hangers-on who look the other way or defame critics.

There would be no AFD at all if people were making halfway sensible policies.

When I said during the first lockdown that it would lead to massive inflation, I was berated and now some households can no longer afford food and that's just the beginning.
As someone who has a lot of experience with Islamic countries and warned about this in 2015, I was also insulted and now armed units are needed for Christmas markets, which are only allowed to be called winter markets out of a misguided sense of tolerance, and the streets in Germany are on fire on New Year's Eve, while some areas have become no-go areas.

Almost everything that is decided and done is against the interests of the population. It's actually a wonder that things haven't collapsed by now, but let's see what happens if inflation rises even further. The main thing is that the politicians have already accumulated enough money so that they can retire to a warm island somewhere in their vacation home.
By the way, I'm going to do that soon too and watch the whole mess from afar. I'm tired of all the people here.

I can sign your post 100%. Just bear in mind that the problems (uncontrolled migration, inflation, anti-citizen government decisions) in other European countries will probably catch up with you too, I suppose. Sooner or later. I could also "flee" to a warm island, but I'd rather stay here and watch the developments. I can understand your displeasure - I've also talked to walls and still do - but if everyone flees, nothing will change. But maybe I still believe too much in a happy ending.

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Stromberg
Legend

Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 16:07:

Can sign your post 100%. Just bear in mind that the problems (uncontrolled migration, inflation, anti-citizen government decisions) will probably also catch up with you in other European countries, I suppose. Sooner or later. I could also "flee" to a warm island, but I'd rather stay here and watch the developments. I can understand your displeasure - I've also talked to walls and still do - but if everyone flees, nothing will change. But maybe I still believe too much in a happy ending.

Why shouldn't you believe in a good ending? Getting into a panic is probably not the best option either.


You could also move to a warm island?
Why are you all so rich? 🤔Or rather cave dwellers on Malle? 😃

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Falke
Expert

Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 16:07:

Can sign your post 100%. Just bear in mind that the problems (uncontrolled migration, inflation, anti-citizen government decisions) will probably also catch up with you in other European countries, I suppose. Sooner or later. I could also "flee" to a warm island, but I'd rather stay here and watch the developments. I can understand your displeasure - I've also talked to walls and still do - but if everyone flees, nothing will change. But maybe I still believe too much in a happy ending.

I agree with you, but there are still a few places in Europe that are certainly better. But I'm thinking more of Asia or the Cape Verde Islands or something similar anyway.


No, nothing will change there. You've already seen with Corona who your fellow human beings are and what they're capable of if they just get the go-ahead from politicians. You can only look after yourself anyway and why shouldn't you build a good life somewhere? What's the point of staying in this quagmire and getting angry about what's going on if you can also gain some distance?
Politics can only be done because too many people go along with it and still allow themselves to be lulled by the media. Anyone who still doesn't recognize the propaganda is lost anyway. These people still believe that there is propaganda in China, Russia, India, Africa, Egypt etc., but only in Europe and America there is no such thing.

I'd rather lie on a beach somewhere with a turquoise blue sea and a low cost of living and just smile about the whole thing instead of getting angry about it here in the rain and cold.

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BinGOLDiG
Expert

This is how it works here in Aachen

We are fed up!

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frapi07
Expert
I don't know what you all have. I was poor before Corona etc. I'm still poor. So everything has stayed the same.

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Falke
Expert
frapi07 wrote on 08.01.2024 at 16:50: I don't know what you all have. I was poor before Corona etc. I'm still poor. So everything stayed the same.


Only now you can only afford half as much due to inflation. So your poverty has doubled. The poor have been hit the hardest because food prices have risen enormously, while electronics and other non-essentials have not risen much.

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