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Topic created on 08th Jan. 2024 | Page: 5 of 7 | Answers: 94 | Views: 4,088
upola
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frapi07 wrote on 09.01.2024 06:43:

In Switzerland, the cost of living is also significantly higher than in Germany. An unskilled worker here gets minimum wage. 1.900 gross. Should be about 1,300-1,400 net. Depends on the tax bracket.

I didn't say it was a good living.

But someone who earns 1500 net doesn't have any more, even though they work all month.
But it's always too little for recipients of citizen's income.


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But you know yourself that in real life it's usually put together differently.

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Falko
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Explosive Habeck poem causes a stir (BILD):

Children, those were good times!


Brokdorf, Wendland, Runway West:


Discussing, fighting, arguing,


Our demos were the best.


Tipping tubs, throwing mollies,


Tearing down anything in the way,


Throwing stones, swinging batons,


Singing bitter songs,


Twins, transpas, whistling, jostling


Saw masts, turn the city upside down,


Skipping university, occupying the forest,


Etch against the government.


Hunt the cops, smash the Castor,


until the big corporations shudder


Throwing shit, flattening tires


Fighting to save the planet.


Rotten eggs on ministers


Long criminal records,


Daily sentences & detentions,


Judges, robes, lawsuits, prisons.


Who was always involved?


The staff of the Green Party.


Now 30 years have passed,


you sit in the ministry.


Finally having something to say,


Office & dignity, guard, carriage.


Plans, sinecures, money & power,


Women languish, Graichen laughs.


But in the year of twenty-four,


Early in cold January


After barely 2 years of change


Suddenly our money comes to an end.


The people feel badly governed


Led around by the nose


And don't behave well at all:


Shouting, banging, screaming themselves hoarse


Raging, whistling, mobbing, jostling,


And turn the whole country upside down.


Tractor parade and blockade


Rail strike, truck parade.


And the latest big excitement


Is the people at the ferry terminal.


Habeck thinks: that's not fair!


But where did the people get it from?


Source X : @VeroWendland

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Blubbo33
Elite
So immigration has always existed is not an argument!

This is about uncontrollable immigration!
And above all it's about the quantity!!!

There are so many ways to save money for and with this country!

Of course immigration must be stopped and that zack zack .

Those who are here have to be integrated first, and those who can't or won't do that will be expelled!
The same goes for delinquents, no matter whether it was a chocolate that was stolen or a granny who was beaten to death, off they go!

Furthermore, financial incentives should be reduced to zero, first benefits in kind and then, if integration is successful, a step-by-step approach to the citizen's income!

No allimentation abroad or transferring child benefit abroad!
Billions saved in no time at all!

And stop all aid payments to other countries such as China, India or Gaza and so on, billions in the bag again!

I could name 20 more points here!

Politicians are playing these games for ideological reasons and selfishness!

Nothing is monitored as badly as the haggling over posts and money among themselves!
In addition, legislative projects which are against all economic reason and which are only scaled down somewhat in the event of protest!

This government is finished, and every day longer destroys German cohesion and acceptance of politics!

And we should finally stop taking Germany's history and the responsibility for the world that has grown out of it for granted!

Yes, we must remember and must not forget the past, but all the current generations can do nothing about it and must therefore not be punished for it with any hypocritical payments based on our German history!

And yes, you can be proud to be German these days without being right-wing, but to be proud of that, we need a change of policy in our country that is based above all on honesty and transparency!

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BinGOLDiG
Expert
Really good! 😄👍

Falko wrote on 09.01.2024 at 13:51: Explosive Habeck poem causes a stir (BILD):

Children, those were good times!


Brokdorf, Wendland, Runway West:


Discussing, fighting, arguing,


Our demos were the best.


Tipping tubs, throwing mollies,


Tearing down anything in the way,


Throwing stones, swinging batons,


Singing bitter songs,


Twins, transpas, whistling, jostling


Saw masts, turn the city upside down,


Skipping university, occupying the forest,


Etch against the government.


Hunt the cops, smash the Castor,


until the big corporations shudder


Throwing shit, flattening tires


Fighting to save the planet.


Rotten eggs on ministers


Long criminal records,


Daily sentences & detentions,


Judges, robes, lawsuits, prisons.


Who was always involved?


The staff of the Green Party.


Now 30 years have passed,


you sit in the ministry.


Finally having something to say,


Office & dignity, guard, carriage.


Plans, sinecures, money & power,


Women languish, Graichen laughs.


But in the year of twenty-four,


Early in cold January


After barely 2 years of change


Suddenly our money comes to an end.


The people feel badly governed


Led around by the nose


And don't behave well at all:


Shouting, banging, screaming themselves hoarse


Raging, whistling, mobbing, jostling,


And turn the whole country upside down.


Tractor parade and blockade


Rail strike, truck parade.


And the latest big excitement


Is the people at the ferry terminal.


Habeck thinks: that's not fair!


But where did the people get it from?


Source X : @VeroWendland


I thought the money that is paid abroad is related to the fact that we are in the EU!


And the EU decides which countries are supported and how much each country has to pay?

Accordingly, Germany doesn't even have the opportunity to somehow get out of it... Unless we were to leave the EU ... right? 🤔

Achjaaa...imagine if we got the DM back 🙄 that would be great!
Everything back to 2000 and carry on where we left off sqqq🥳

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BinGOLDiG
Expert
Blubbo33 wrote on 09.01.2024 at 14:54:
Yes, one must remember and must not forget the past, but all the current generations can do nothing for it and therefore must not be punished for it with any hypocritical payments based on our German history!

And yes, you can be proud to be German these days without being right-wing, but to be proud of that you need a change of policy in our country that is based above all on honesty and transparency!


Yes, I don't favor any of the current parties and before I choose one of the many stinking piles of shit, I won't vote for any of them!

That's why something has to change in this respect too

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Stromberg
Legend

BinGOLDiG wrote on 09.01.2024 at 15:24: Really good! 😄👍


I thought the money that is paid abroad is related to the fact that we are in the EU!


And the EU decides which countries are supported and how much each country has to pay?

Accordingly, Germany doesn't even have the opportunity to somehow get out of it... Unless we were to leave the EU ... right? 🤔

Achjaaa...imagine if we got the DM back 🙄 that would be great!
Everything back to 2000 and carry on where we left off sqqq🥳

I don't think so.

So the EU also pays development aid and therefore indirectly every country and Germany pays a particularly large share😄

But if I understand correctly, Germany also simply pays development aid as a country, which the Bundestag decides on.

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Falke
Expert

Blubbo33 wrote on 09.01.2024 at 14:54: So immigration has always existed is not an argument!

This is about uncontrollable immigration!
And above all it's about the quantity!!!

There are so many ways to save money for and with this country!

Of course immigration must be stopped and that zack zack .

Those who are here have to be integrated first, and those who can't or won't do that will be expelled!
The same goes for delinquents, no matter whether it was a chocolate that was stolen or a granny who was beaten to death, off they go!

Furthermore, financial incentives should be reduced to zero, first benefits in kind and then, if integration is successful, a step-by-step approach to the citizen's income!

No allimentation abroad or transferring child benefit abroad!
Billions saved in no time at all!

And stop all aid payments to other countries such as China, India or Gaza and so on, billions in the bag again!

I could name 20 more points here!

Politicians are playing these games for ideological reasons and selfishness!

Nothing is monitored as badly as the haggling over posts and money among themselves!
In addition, legislative projects which are against all economic reason and which are only scaled down somewhat in the event of protest!

This government is finished, and every day longer destroys German cohesion and acceptance of politics!

And we should finally stop taking Germany's history and the responsibility for the world that has grown out of it for granted!

Yes, we must remember and must not forget the past, but all the current generations can do nothing about it and must therefore not be punished for it with any hypocritical payments based on our German history!

And yes, you can be proud to be German these days without being right-wing, but to be proud of that, we need a change of policy in our country that is based above all on honesty and transparency!


I didn't expect such a good and realistic post from you.


What I would also like to point out is that it is also about which countries the immigrants come from and with which ideology. If the same number of people were to immigrate from Sweden, Switzerland, Holland or Ukraine, you would hardly notice anything.

It took almost two thousand years for Europe to free itself from the stranglehold of the church and overcome the feudal system. Many people had to give their lives for this. Women's suffrage has been around for less than 100 years (in Switzerland, for example, it was only introduced in 1960).
And now this is being completely destroyed in less than 10 years by courting a whole host of people with a medieval ideology who completely reject our values.

Border protection is one of the elementary core tasks of a state. A state that no longer protects its borders is by definition no longer a state. What you call politicians who let large numbers of hostile people into the country is anyone's guess. In any case, there would be a separate criminal code for this.

It's an agenda, everything that happens is just as intentional.

During Corona, individual districts were even cordoned off. But the Germans just let themselves be told that of course you can't do that with national borders. By now, however, it has probably even gotten through to some teddy bear throwers what has actually been done.

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Falko
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Stromberg wrote on 09.01.2024 at 15:36:

I don't think so.

So the EU also pays development aid and thus indirectly every country and Germany pays a particularly large share😄

But if I understand correctly, Germany also simply pays development aid as a country, which the Bundestag decides on.

It could become even more expensive for Germany. Focus wrote an article today which, among other things, says &gt

  • After the USA, Germany supports Ukraine the most - but much more in comparison to GDP (0.5 percent) than the USA (0.3 percent). Should the Americans actually discontinue their deliveries, Germany would have to spend around 16% of its 2024 federal budget to provide Ukraine with the same level of support as the USA in 2023 in order to keep the Ukrainian army ready to defend itself. Or military defeat would be inevitable. < https://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/politik/gastbeitrag-von-gabor-steingart-nach-der-ukraine-ist-deutschland-der-gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fte-verlierer-des-krieges/ar-AA1mFXBO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=d2a28962baac49368afd8bb9c5342641&ei=12



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Falko
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If you imagine that instead of 0.50 % of GDP in 2023, Germany will be paying 16 % of GDP to Ukraine in 2024, then these cuts and price increases, which is why the street protests are now taking place, were just a gentle breeze.

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Stromberg
Legend
Falko wrote on 09.01.2024 at 17:11: If you imagine that instead of 0.50% of GDP in 2023, Germany will then be paying 16% of GDP to Ukraine in 2024, then these cuts and price increases, which is why the street protests are now taking place, were just a gentle breeze.

But that will never happen.

Even if we wanted to, we would probably not be able to supply adequate weapons systems.

It's also time to realize, no matter how you position yourself in this conflict, that the war cannot be won (from Ukraine's point of view).
The human "resource" alone, as bad as that sounds, would ensure this in the long run.

By the way, no farmers seen today 😄

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frapi07
Expert

Blubbo33 wrote on 09.01.2024 at 14:54: So immigration has always existed is not an argument!

This is about uncontrollable immigration!
And above all it's about the quantity!!!

There are so many ways to save money for and with this country!

Of course immigration must be stopped and that zack zack .

Those who are here have to be integrated first, and those who can't or won't do that will be expelled!
The same goes for delinquents, no matter whether it was a chocolate that was stolen or a granny who was beaten to death, off they go!

Furthermore, financial incentives should be reduced to zero, with benefits in kind in the first instance and a gradual move towards a citizen's income if integration is successful!

No allimentation abroad or transferring child benefit abroad!
Billions saved in no time at all!

And stop all aid payments to other countries such as China, India or Gaza and so on, billions in the bag again!

I could name 20 more points here!

Politicians are playing these games for ideological reasons and selfishness!

Nothing is monitored as badly as the haggling over posts and money among themselves!
In addition, legislative projects which are against all economic reason and which are only scaled down somewhat in the event of protest!

This government is finished, and every day longer destroys German cohesion and acceptance of politics!

And we should finally stop taking Germany's history and the responsibility for the world that has grown out of it for granted!

Yes, we must remember and must not forget the past, but all the current generations can do nothing about it and must therefore not be punished for it with any hypocritical payments based on our German history!

And yes, you can be proud to be German nowadays without being right-wing, but to be proud of that, we need a change of policy in our country that is based above all on honesty and transparency!


How do you envision it? How should Germany control immigration? Turn Trump's proposal into reality and build a 5-meter-high wall in border areas? Or a normal wall + controls? Who pays for that then? We live in Europe. Germany has the highest GDP in the whole of Europe. Germany is better off than the other member states. It is simply the case in a community that the stronger ones pull the weaker ones along.

Regarding criminals: How do you imagine it? Not even the US state of California deals with criminals so harshly (Three Strikes Law) and this law is heavily criticized. I'm not condoning crime, but try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who steals out of hunger. Have you ever gone hungry? Do you know what it feels like?

In Germany, the justice system is unjust. People who rob other people of their assets (fraudsters etc.) go to prison for a few years and after they have served part of their sentence they are released early and when they are free they carry on where they left off. Meanwhile, there are people who drive illegally out of necessity or can't pay the GEZ fees and therefore end up in prison (because they can't pay the fines). What's the point?

I can also tell you a point where politicians could save a lot: on their salaries. The absurd sums they pay, which are increased every year, are much worse than anything else.

"The German Bundestag could soon cost one billion euros - twice as much as in 2005 Hardly any other country can afford such a large parliament as Germany."(.The German Bundestag could soon cost one billion euros (nzz.ch). Or all the "goodies" they get.


This is not about just any government. It would have to be radicalized, because even with a different party, nothing will change. It will just be other people who will line their pockets.

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Donnie
Expert
Yesterday I also had another "great" experience with Romanians/Bulgarians, also known as Gypsies or Sinti/Roma, who have moved here. What a great EU, the citizens here in many areas are getting happier and happier every day. Let them live at home with the EU politicians, have fun. It's quite simple, these...... are just guests here. And if guests don't behave, they're kicked out. It's the same with people at home, in supermarkets, in restaurants and so on. Instead, the normal population is terrorized here instead of simply being deported and thrown out. It would be child's play to create laws that would make this possible, but as a German you are damaged from an early age by the past. You're not allowed to say anything against foreigners, the state security will come straight away. On the other hand, I've also experienced a lot of hostility towards Germans, but nobody cares. Congratulations on growing up in the new world where the locals are the foreigners, soon in your area too. And no, 30 years ago it all looked different here and only became that way

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Donnie
Expert
This is slowly becoming unbearable here, should citizens soon create vigilante groups to protect themselves? Politics, the forces of law and order and especially the justice system, especially the lax laws here, are failing across the board. It's a joke that you can't even ride the streetcar in peace or run your business without problems

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Falko
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Donnie wrote on 09.01.2024 at 20:49: This is slowly becoming unbearable here, should citizens soon create vigilante groups to protect themselves? Politics, the forces of law and order and especially the judiciary, especially the lax laws here, are failing all along the line. It's a joke that you can't even ride a streetcar in peace or run your business without problems

The video that Welt published today fits in with this.

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Blubbo33
Elite

frapi07 wrote on 09.01.2024 at 20:11:

How do you envision it? How should Germany control immigration? Turn Trump's proposal into reality and build a 5 meter high wall in border areas? Or a normal wall + controls? Who pays for that then? We live in Europe. Germany has the highest GDP in the whole of Europe. Germany is better off than the other member states. It is simply the case in a community that the stronger ones pull the weaker ones along.

Regarding criminals: How do you imagine it? Not even the US state of California deals with criminals so harshly (Three Strikes Law) and this law is heavily criticized. I'm not condoning crime, but try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who steals out of hunger. Have you ever gone hungry? Do you know what it feels like?

In Germany, the justice system is unjust. People who steal other people's assets (fraudsters etc.) go to prison for a few years and after they have served part of their sentence they are released early and when they are free they carry on where they left off. Meanwhile, there are people who drive illegally out of necessity or can't pay the GEZ fees and therefore end up in prison (because they can't pay the fines). What's the point?

I can also tell you a point where politicians could save a lot: on their salaries. The absurd sums they pay, which are increased every year, are much worse than anything else.

"The German Bundestag could soon cost a billion euros - twice as much as in 2005 Hardly any other country can afford such a large parliament as Germany."(.The German Bundestag could soon cost a billion euros (nzz.ch). Or all the "goodies" they get.


This is not about just any government. It would have to be radicalized, because even with a different party, nothing will change. It will just be other people who will line their pockets.

It's really difficult for me to answer that!


How do I imagine that?
More staff, more controls, quite simply!
Better ask what immigration costs ? !

Why do I have to support immigration? Why does Germany have to save the world? Why do I have to put up with this unspeakable climate drivel and why should I and others have to sacrifice my prosperity for it?

I am willing to help but only to a certain extent!
Who is starving here from the immigrants? Have you experienced any? What do they get here in Germany? What did they have in their home country? What punishment would there be in their home country? Even if we take out theft because of hunger, do you say cigarettes and alcohol are allowed? Where do you start and where do you end?

You forget that these are guests and they have to abide by the law and if they don't, leave!

Oh and now I'm supposed to feel sorry for those who commit crimes here? Nah buddy, for me the delinquents don't belong here!

Oh come on, you're talking about a few who can't pay the fine or don't want to! ?

Who has to drive black and for what! ?
Your examples are more than weak and irrelevant to me!
The citizen's allowance is enough to live on without committing crimes, certainly not for much luxury, but that's not what it's meant for!

It may be that politicians get too much, but here too your example is a small drop! Calculate what 100 immigrants cost per year and your ears will prick up!

The big money is wasted on immigration and ideological politics!
A fraction less and we wouldn't have to talk about poverty among German citizens, dilapidated roads, children or school meals and and and and!


In fact, the future will be a problem as far as voting is concerned, I hope a mixture of CDU and Afd can fix that!

However, the CDU must move further to the right and the AFD must get rid of its extremist clientele a la Hoecke, then Germany will be on the up again!



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