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Other topics related to... : How are the farmers' protests affecting you in the region? (Page 3)

Topic created on 08th Jan. 2024 | Page: 3 of 7 | Answers: 94 | Views: 4,089
frapi07
Expert

Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 16:53:
Only now you can only afford half as much due to inflation. So your poverty has doubled. The poor are hit the hardest right now because food prices have risen enormously, while electronics and other non-essentials have not risen much.

Just kidding ^^ Just wanted to lighten the topic. No offense to you, but this is about farmers. What does any other topic have to do with it? That's why I wanted to troll a bit xD But nothing against you personally, you didn't write anything that explicitly bothered me either.

I used to spend €40 on a week's shopping, now it's €55-60 (depending on what's on sale). So nothing has doubled for me. Yes, it's expensive, but hey, that's what the minimum wage of €12 an hour is for. Compare that to 2015, when a kebab cost €3.50 - you had to work for about 25 minutes at €8/hour. Now you can get a kebab for €6-7. The minimum wage is €12.41, which is about half again.

Gas was also around 2€ at the peak, normal was 1.7 per liter. I don't see a doubling here either. Energy costs as well. about 15% increase. Yes, some prices shot up, but only because society is stupid. Sunflower oil for 5-6€, where you could always buy it for 1€. Why? Because people were simply stupid. The same with toilet paper.

But back to the main topic. Demos are okay, but when I see that some people are blocking the highways etc... does that have to be? I'm also harming people who have done me no harm. I am not affected by this. I work from home anyway. Nevertheless, I find it extremely selfish.

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Saphira
Expert

Stromberg wrote on 08.01.2024 at 16:15:

Why not believe in a good ending? Getting in and panicking is probably not the way to go either.


You could also move to a warm island?
Why are you all so rich? 🤔Or rather cave dwellers on Malle? 😃

Yes, I could. Was in the right place at the right time and have a little house on Crete. South coast. It would also be the right island, as the Cretans don't let you tell them much and, if necessary, act from the mountains for months on end. They've had to before. Just partisans. A bit eccentric, but amiable


If I got carried away and panicked, I'd be gone by now. As I said, I believe in a happy ending.

@frapi07
You're right, of course. It's the farmers' protest. It should therefore remain monothematic and not be hijacked. Nevertheless, everything is connected to everything else and it will certainly take time for everyone to grasp the whole picture.

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mtorero
Rookie

Tonkabohne wrote on 08.01.2024 at 14:57: Will again be a gathering place for right-wing idiots and the f**king AFD !

Solidarity for the farmers is perfectly ok and justified.

Too bad that not all industries join in.

let the country stand still for 1 day 👍🙌

One of the two leaders of the AfD, Ms. Alice Weidel, is a lesbian and her partner is from Sri Lanka. Anyone who thinks the AfD party program is the same as the ideology of the National Socialists has not been paying attention in history.

We, of all people, online gambling enthusiasts, can tell you a thing or two about how unscrupulously the state is now reaching into our pockets (tax>house advantage casino) but at the same time distributing more and more money all over the world.
We now even pay a tax for exhaling and farting, which is automatically increased every year. I'm starting to feel like I'm in a real South Park world.
No matter what you think of the AfD, they are the only opposition to a single party and an establishment that will continue to milk the working population. Respect to all the farmers and everyone who demonstrated today!

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Falke
Expert

Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 17:52:

Yes, I could. Was in the right place at the right time and have a cottage on Crete. South coast. Would also be the right island, because the Cretans don't let you tell them much and, if necessary, act from the mountains for months. They've had to before. Just partisans. A bit eccentric, but amiable


If I got carried away and panicked, I'd be gone by now. As I said, I believe in a happy ending.

@frapi07
You're right, of course. It's the farmers' protest. It should therefore remain monothematic and not be hijacked. Nevertheless, everything is connected to everything else and it will certainly take time for everyone to grasp the whole picture.

What are you doing with the house? Do you rent it out when you're not there yourself or does it just stand empty?

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Butterbrezel
Elite
On the subject of farmers: cool action, peaceful demo, important basics adhered to (rescue routes kept clear, announced in good time, carried out properly). The whole country is talking about them and respects them.
Due to the overwhelmingly positive reaction, it is not impossible that something will change politically, because the pressure on the incompetent politicians will become even more intense.

There is no comparison with the Citizen's Income climate stickers, which simply stress people out. The necessary climate protection is being dragged into the negative by this full assis, although it is important.

On the subject of AfD: As Falke has already said, if the leading parties (currently the traffic light, previously CDU with Merkel) didn't do so much crap or pay attention to the interests of the people (which they have actually sworn to do), AfD would have no base and not even 5%.

But because so much crap has been done for years, their basis is to point out the mistakes. And with incompetent politicians, this is as easy as throwing a tennis ball into a large dustbin from a distance of 1 meter. Currently, with horror clowns like Habeck, Ricarda, Baerbock, Lindner and Scholz, you get the impression that things can't get any worse.

So the AfD has a democratic right to appear as a party and to secure protest voters.
What percentage is AfD at right now? 22% or so I once read. 20% of them are protest voters because there is simply no viable option.

No N**i mace will help. It's simply the answer to politics in Germany.

PS: I continue to vote for the Animal Protection Party. It does nothing, but it doesn't destroy anything either.

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Falke
Expert

mtorero wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:00:

One of the two leaders of the AfD, Ms. Alice Weidel is a lesbian and her partner is from Sri Lanka. Anyone who thinks the party program of the AfD is the same as the ideology of the National Socialists has not paid attention in history.

We, of all people, online gambling enthusiasts, can tell you a thing or two about how unscrupulously the state is now reaching into our pockets (tax>house advantage casino) but at the same time distributing more and more money all over the world.
We now even pay a tax for exhaling and farting, which is automatically increased every year. I'm starting to feel like I'm in a real South Park world.
No matter what you think of the AfD, they are the only opposition to a single party and an establishment that will continue to milk the working population. Respect to all the farmers and everyone who demonstrated today!


The AFD is also just part of the system to appease the protest vote. Or do you really believe that a chairwoman who used to work at Goldman Sachs cares about the welfare of the population?

We are an illiterate democracy in which people vote once every few years and believe that this will change something. Behind the scenes, all parties are pulling in the same direction. The problem is the system itself, in which a handful of people are given almost unlimited power and something like basic rights only exist on paper, as we have seen with coronavirus.

The idea that the population has any say is a pure illusion. The media are nothing more than pure marketing departments of those in power and those in power have long since become mere vicarious agents of those who want to push through their agenda.

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Saphira
Expert
Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:04:

What are you doing with the house? Do you rent it out when you are not there yourself or is it just empty?

It is not rented out because it has been lovingly restored and, in my experience, the tenants there are not exactly careful with other people's property. I save myself the trouble.

Asia or the Cape Verde Islands are also good alternatives. If you've been through this madness for a few years, you get tired at some point and before you start getting upset all the time, it would of course be more pleasant to get away from it all - maybe even just for a while. Many people have also emigrated to Mexico. Most of the people I've heard from are still enthusiastic and don't regret the move.

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Stromberg
Legend

Butterbrezel wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:06: On the subject of farmers: Cool action, peaceful demo, important basics adhered to (escape routes kept clear, announced in good time, carried out properly). The whole country is talking about them and respects them.
Due to the overwhelmingly positive reaction, it is not impossible that something will change politically, because the pressure on the incompetent politicians will become even more intense.

There is no comparison with the Citizen's Income climate stickers, which simply stress people out. The necessary climate protection is being dragged into the negative by this full assis, although it is important.

On the subject of AfD: As Falke has already said, if the leading parties (currently the traffic light, previously CDU with Merkel) didn't do so much crap or pay attention to the interests of the people (which they have actually sworn to do), AfD would have no base and not even 5%.

But because so much crap has been done for years, their basis is to point out the mistakes. And with incompetent politicians, this is as easy as throwing a tennis ball into a large dustbin from a distance of 1 meter. Currently, with horror clowns like Habeck, Ricarda, Baerbock, Lindner and Scholz, you get the impression that things can't get any worse.

So the AfD has a democratic right to appear as a party and to secure protest voters.
What percentage is AfD at right now? 22% or so I once read. 20% of them are protest voters because there is simply no viable option.

No N**i mace will help. It's simply the answer to politics in Germany.

PS: I continue to vote for the Animal Protection Party. It doesn't help, but it doesn't destroy anything either.

Why is N**i actually used yesterday...?

No, the N**i club is always bad, and the fact that it was constantly unpacked in the past when problems were named is part of the current problem.

But I think it's fair to say that there are at least some extremely right-wing people in the Afd. And I think the term is not entirely inappropriate.

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Falke
Expert
Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:21:
It is not rented out as it has been very lovingly restored and in my experience the tenants there are not exactly careful with other people's property. I'll save myself the trouble.

Asia or the Cape Verde Islands are also good alternatives. If you've been through this madness for a few years, you get tired at some point and before you start getting upset all the time, it would of course be more pleasant to get away from it all - maybe even just for a while. Many people have also emigrated to Mexico. Most of the people I've heard from are still enthusiastic and don't regret the move.

Is the house right by the sea? Maybe I'll take it for a month or so, if you would rent it out at all. I was in Crete last year and really loved it there. Unfortunately, it's also cold there in winter.


I somehow don't have such a secure feeling about Mexico. I know that a lot of people go there and I've heard a lot of positive things, but something inside me says no.

Yes, that's exactly how I see it. I always try to avoid dealing with such topics as much as possible, but somehow you can't escape it completely. And then, unfortunately, you get annoyed again and again, which is actually a waste of my time.
Above all, I see a rather bleak future for Europe, especially in Central Europe. I think we are only at the beginning of the real catastrophe and I no longer think war is out of the question, whereas a few years ago I would have thought it impossible.
I'll still be there this year, but I'm determined to spend at least 2 to 3 months of the winter somewhere warm.

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garfield68
Elite
@saphira i think it's great, you don't have to worry about accommodation or costs during your vacation. i would only be a bit afraid that people would break in or riot or something similar in my absence.

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Stromberg
Legend
Ontopic: got home before the next major intersection was blocked😬

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mtorero
Rookie

Falke wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:13:

The AFD is also just part of the system to appease the protest vote. Or do you really believe that a chairwoman who used to work at Goldman Sachs cares about the welfare of the population?

We are an illiterate democracy in which people vote every few years and believe that this will change something. Behind the scenes, all parties are pulling in the same direction. The problem is the system itself, in which a handful of people are given almost unlimited power and something like basic rights only exist on paper, as we have seen with Corona.

The idea that the population has any say is a pure illusion. The media are nothing more than pure marketing departments of those in power and those in power have long since become mere vicarious agents of those who want to push through their agenda.

I can't foresee whether anything would improve or change if the AfD were in power, but the constant and negative bullying of this party by the educational media you mentioned is also a sign that it would be uncomfortable for the elite after all...

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Stromberg
Legend

Saphira wrote on 08.01.2024 at 17:52:

Yes, I could. Was in the right place at the right time and have a cottage on Crete. South coast. Would also be the right island, because the Cretans don't let you tell them much and, if necessary, act from the mountains for months. They've had to before. Just partisans. A bit eccentric, but amiable


If I got carried away and panicked, I'd be gone by now. As I said, I believe in a happy ending.

@frapi07
You're right, of course. It's the farmers' protest. It should therefore remain monothematic and not be hijacked. Nevertheless, everything is connected to everything else and it will certainly take time for everyone to grasp the whole picture.

Cool, Crete was my favorite of the 3 Greek islands I've been to... But I only visited the north and one day in the West to see the beaches.


I have to say I like the Greeks in general and enjoy vacationing there.

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Butterbrezel
Elite

Stromberg wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:32:

Why is N**i actually yesterday...?

No, the N**i club is always bad, and the fact that it was constantly unpacked in the past when naming problems is part of the current problem.

But I think it's fair to say that there are at least some extremely right-wing people in the Afd. And the term is not entirely inappropriate, I think.

Yes, but that's also another problem.

As I said, the AfD does nothing other than point out mistakes. That's the 20% I was talking about.
I think the hard-right part is also an absolute minority in AfD. A hard right wing would be something like the NPD used to be. What percentage did they have? 2% or something like that? 2% is too much, but it shows roughly the right-wing core - and thus an absolute minority.

And when the 2% (right-wingers) make up the majority of the 20% (protest voters) in discussions and AfD is reduced to that, it just becomes unobjective.

AfD is a protest party, nothing more and nothing less. AfD is a bit like the usual gambler's fallacy.
If you have drawn a blank 4 times (CDU/CSU, SPD, Greens, FDP), many assume that the 5th ticket is a win.


In German politics, however, this is more like Russian Roulette than probability calculation

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Stromberg
Legend
Butterbrezel wrote on 08.01.2024 at 18:56:

Yes, but that's another problem.

As I said, AfD does nothing from the base other than point out mistakes. That's the 20% I was talking about.
I think the hard-right part of AfD is also an absolute minority. A hard right wing would be something like the NPD used to be. What percentage did they have? 2% or something like that? 2% is too much, but it shows roughly the right-wing core - and thus an absolute minority.

And when the 2% (right-wingers) make up the majority of the 20% (protest voters) in discussions and AfD is reduced to that, it just becomes unobjective.

AfD is a protest party, nothing more and nothing less. AfD is a bit like the usual gambler's fallacy.
If you have drawn a blank 4 times (CDU/CSU, SPD, Greens, FDP), many assume that the 5th ticket is a win.


In German politics, however, this is more like Russian Roulette than probability calculation

I wasn't talking about the voters either.

In percentage terms, I see it about the same as you do.
I expressed it slightly differently, but I had already mentioned it in a previous post.

However, if a party wants to claim that it is not a N**i party, it should distance itself from obvious right-wing extremists like Höcke
should be distanced.

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