Player protection is just a fig leaf. In principle, the authorities don't care at all, because they earn a considerable amount from gambling. No matter if in Germany, Malta or Curacao. Something like Oasis may be well-intentioned, but it is so bunglingly implemented that you can't come to any other conclusion than that politics doesn't really care.
Begbie wrote on 27.05.2023 at 15:28: Player protection is just a fig leaf. In principle, the authority does not care at all, because they earn not insignificantly from the gambling. No matter if in Germany, Malta or Curacao. Something like Oasis may be well-intentioned, but it is so bunglingly implemented that you can't come to any other conclusion than that the politicians don't really care.
Yeah, you're right about that. But at least the nationwide spear file is a start and if that would also be introduced in MGA and Curacao, then it would have much more effect, because you can hardly go to a stationary booth of them.
Yes, you are right about that. But at least the nationwide spear file is already a start and if that would be introduced in MGA and Curacao as well, then it would have much more impact as well, since you can hardly go to a stationary pad of those.
Basically, it is quite simple if someone wants to gamble, he creates it too! Look at the countries where gambling is illegal and in countries with strict interpretation of religious laws even with corporal punishment up to execution is punished there they still squat in back rooms and make Hütchenspiele or dice games
One could implement such a database but even if every country would abolish gambling even then people would find a way to gamble away their money
gamble1 wrote on 27.05.2023 at 15:54:
Basically it is quite simple if someone wants to gamble he creates it too ! Look at the countries where gambling is illegal and in countries with strict interpretation of religious laws even with physical punishment up to execution is punished there they still squat in back rooms and make hat games or dice games
You could implement such a database but even if every country would abolish gambling even then people would find a way to gamble away their money
that's the way it is when people with a Gambling addiction want to gamble, they come to it lock or no lock...
that's exactly how it is when people with a Gambling addiction, want to play, then they come to it lock or not...
No it isn't. This is another argument, which should lead the whole discussion into absurdity. Sure, there is gambling everywhere in the world, even where it is forbidden. Nevertheless, it all takes place on a much smaller scale.
In addition, there is a big difference if gambling is legal, but a good Player protection takes effect. Where there is a legal offer, the black market is negligible. Accordingly, the offer for a gambling addict who gets blocked at the legal casinos is also small.
And then to play in some backroom shacks with shady people is not everyone's cup of tea either. Not to mention the fact that most people don't have access to such things.
Yes, there's gambling in Saudi Arabia, too, so let's shit on player protection here. Great argument.
In itself that sounds good, but why should Malta and Curacao or any other country abide by it? At least Curacao is not bound to any EU laws and any court or authority can write what they want - that is skillfully ignored and good. In the state casino it works, because they also have their headquarters in the Federal Republic. As I said, my biggest concern would be how to get the states to comply. The thing that comes to my mind would be to make the site inaccessible for DE, but do we want to live like in China, where Facebook and co. are banned or in North Korea, where you are controlled so hard that even game consoles are banned? There are also machines in service areas, pubs and (shisha) bars, and also in gas stations. You won't be checked there and can therefore bypass your lock.
The Curaçaos don't care whether any addicts play in their casinos. They practically live off it, especially from high rollers. With an OASIS-like ban, they would shoot themselves in the knee. Open your eyes, the world is a dirty place and many companies make money from people's addiction, that's how it is and how it will stay.
Donnie wrote on 27.05.2023 at 21:39: The Curaçaos does not care whether any addicts play in their casinos. They practically live off it, especially high rollers. With an OASIS-like barrier, they would shoot themselves in the knee. Open your eyes, the world is a dirty place and many companies make money from people's addiction, that's how it is and how it will stay.
The same goes for pubs, kebab stands and the like. Often seen in interview that some would shut down without the vending machine. Do not believe that the extra effort voluntarily accept while they lose sales.
Vending machines can also be found in service areas, pubs and (shisha) bars, as well as in gas stations. You won't be checked there and can therefore bypass your ban.
I have been able to play in two snack bars so far. But even in our whorehouse the slots are secured by ID control. It is already very restricted.
I have been able to play in two snack bars so far. But even in the whorehouse near us the slots are secured by ID control. It is already very restricted.
Do they also pay attention to the OASIS lock? I only know that they only check your birthday (to make sure you are 18).
I have not tried it. But I know that even in the snack bar the vending machines are all blocked with this activation system, but they just leave it permanently unlocked. Until the regulatory office comes by, I guess.
Pat1991 wrote on 27.05.2023 at 21:55: I have not tried it. But know that even at the snack bar the vending machines are all blocked with this unlocking system, which they just leave permanently unlocked though. Until the regulatory office comes by, I guess.
Yes, exactly, that is wegerm youth protection. For the OASIS block, they would have to make an extra query using your data and I don't think that they have access to this database in the whorehouse.
By the way, I find this ingenious If your regular wife is busy, then you can play Merkur and Novoline slots while waiting xD
In itself it sounds good, but why should Malta and Curacao or other countries abide by it? At least Curacao is not bound by any EU laws and there any court or authority can write what they want - that is skillfully ignored and good. In the state casino it works, because they also have their headquarters in the Federal Republic. As I said, my biggest concern would be how to get the states to comply. The thing that comes to my mind would be to make the site inaccessible for DE, but do we want to live like in China, where Facebook and co. are banned or in North Korea, where you are controlled so hard that even game consoles are banned?
You're right about that, of course. You just listed why they won't do that, which brings us back to my main point: They earn themselves silly with the suffering of others. And that's exactly why I'm so angry at all the casinos.
Not against gambling in general. Who wants to gamble, should do so and gladly as much or as little money as he wants. But for people who have an addiction, there should be ways to lock quickly and easily, everything else is hypocrisy, when the casinos talk about Player protection is just laughable.
The big money does not come from the people who can control themselves, but from the gambling addicts, of which there are more than enough. I would even go so far as to say that probably over 50% of gamblers exhibit addictive behavior, in one form or another. Gambling addiction has different levels. One gambles away house and home and the other "only" the money he has left at the end of the month. There are also addicts who can control themselves halfway and so on.
But it is and remains an addiction, a disease. And the casinos, or better said, the authorities, which do not offer any real player protection, nourish this disease and promote it quite deliberately.
To me, Curacao and the MGA are criminal associations that provide casino protection instead of player protection. I don't even want to know how much money flows under the table, or how many casino lobbyists sit directly in the committees and have a say.
Yes exactly, that is wegerm youth protection. For the OASIS lock they would have to make an extra query using your data and I don't think they have access to that database in the whorehouse.
Incidentally, I find this ingenious If your regular wife is busy, then you can play Merkur and Novoline slots while waiting xD
There are systems that make an automatic Oasis query when unlocking with the player card or the ID without a human person who initiates it
@Falke This is how the economy and the world works this is not only a problem concerning the casinos
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Yeah, you're right about that. But at least the nationwide spear file is a start and if that would also be introduced in MGA and Curacao, then it would have much more effect, because you can hardly go to a stationary booth of them.
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One could implement such a database but even if every country would abolish gambling even then people would find a way to gamble away their money
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that's the way it is when people with a Gambling addiction want to gamble, they come to it lock or no lock...
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No it isn't. This is another argument, which should lead the whole discussion into absurdity. Sure, there is gambling everywhere in the world, even where it is forbidden. Nevertheless, it all takes place on a much smaller scale.
In addition, there is a big difference if gambling is legal, but a good Player protection takes effect. Where there is a legal offer, the black market is negligible. Accordingly, the offer for a gambling addict who gets blocked at the legal casinos is also small.
And then to play in some backroom shacks with shady people is not everyone's cup of tea either. Not to mention the fact that most people don't have access to such things.
Yes, there's gambling in Saudi Arabia, too, so let's shit on player protection here. Great argument.
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The same goes for pubs, kebab stands and the like. Often seen in interview that some would shut down without the vending machine. Do not believe that the extra effort voluntarily accept while they lose sales.
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I have been able to play in two snack bars so far. But even in our whorehouse the slots are secured by ID control. It is already very restricted.
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Do they also pay attention to the OASIS lock? I only know that they only check your birthday (to make sure you are 18).
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Yes, exactly, that is wegerm youth protection. For the OASIS block, they would have to make an extra query using your data and I don't think that they have access to this database in the whorehouse.
By the way, I find this ingenious If your regular wife is busy, then you can play Merkur and Novoline slots while waiting xD
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You're right about that, of course. You just listed why they won't do that, which brings us back to my main point: They earn themselves silly with the suffering of others. And that's exactly why I'm so angry at all the casinos.
Not against gambling in general. Who wants to gamble, should do so and gladly as much or as little money as he wants. But for people who have an addiction, there should be ways to lock quickly and easily, everything else is hypocrisy, when the casinos talk about Player protection is just laughable.
The big money does not come from the people who can control themselves, but from the gambling addicts, of which there are more than enough. I would even go so far as to say that probably over 50% of gamblers exhibit addictive behavior, in one form or another. Gambling addiction has different levels. One gambles away house and home and the other "only" the money he has left at the end of the month. There are also addicts who can control themselves halfway and so on.
But it is and remains an addiction, a disease. And the casinos, or better said, the authorities, which do not offer any real player protection, nourish this disease and promote it quite deliberately.
To me, Curacao and the MGA are criminal associations that provide casino protection instead of player protection. I don't even want to know how much money flows under the table, or how many casino lobbyists sit directly in the committees and have a say.
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There are systems that make an automatic Oasis query when unlocking with the player card or the ID without a human person who initiates it
@Falke This is how the economy and the world works this is not only a problem concerning the casinos
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