Heyho Nova, quick question as a passionate bonus player
What were the conditions of your 1st Welcome bonus ( percentage value, X-value, duration, sticky/non-sticky/wagerfree) ? In addition the question: how often were the Bonuses on the part of the customers finally converted/paid out and with which percentage did you calculate in this regard? Many thanks . PS. The same question could be extended to the free spins without Deposit: how were the conditions (X-value, number of spins, minimum and maximum payout and especially: how often was there really a payout?
Langhans wrote on 06/30/2023 at 23:11: Heyho Nova, quick question as a passionate bonus player
What were the conditions of your 1st Welcome bonus ( percentage value, X value, duration, sticky/non-sticky/wagerfree) ? In addition the question: how often were the Bonuses on the part of the customers finally converted/paid out and with which percentage did you calculate in this regard? Many thanks . PS. The same question could be extended to the free spins without Deposit: what were the conditions (X-value, number of spins, minimum and maximum payout and most importantly: how often was there really a payout?
if you give me until monday evening time then I can look out a few old sheets and give you all the details. have unfortunately no longer everything in mind
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30th Jun. 2023, at 11:21 pm CEST#123
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nova82 wrote on 30.06.2023 at 23:20:
if you give me until monday evening then i can search out some old sheets and give you all the details. unfortunately i don't have everything in my mind anymore
Tuesday is also possible Spass...thank you for your effort and I look forward to the answers
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1st Jul. 2023, at 12:40 am CEST#124
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Fleasy wrote on 26.06.2023 at 21:11:
Mega cool question
As Langhans already said I think it is also coincidence I personally have had my best wins in the week in the afternoon 3x Over 5000x in different slots, Mystery Museum, Iron Bank and Fruit Party 2 with all I sat on the terrace . at night there were also Big wins in the morning also most but in the afternoon so from 15 o'clock the question is only when one plays the most ? I play mostly in the afternoon or in the evening/at night maybe there are also most of the big wins but in the end I would say it's all pure chance.
after,a long time out, I felt motivated by these posts to become active again and to process some of what has been written here and to continue to read through it:
All OCs use the same RNG on each platform per game and cannot influence it. This is certainly true. But the output of the RNG is just a bare digit or sequence of digits. It says nothing about whether you have won or not. That happens in downstream algorithms, which then determine a win or non-win from this output. This is where the game gets its characteristics (volatility, theoretical RTP, etc.). In the past, these algorithms were fixed programmed, but today mostly parameterized, variable approaches are implemented to allow the OCs to set the RTPs (i.e. the chance of winning) individually. Nova82 has also confirmed this and some providers have also been advertising this possibility on their homepages for some time.
I do not know 100% how this is implemented in software, maybe nova82 knows. However, it is very likely that the OC passes additional control parameters when calling the game on the Provider server, which then lead the parameterized code to the desired RTP.
It is thus very obvious that the OCs have the knowledge and the technical possibilities to be able to influence the RTP constantly significantly. This does not directly determine for a specific game whether a player wins or loses at that moment. But his chances are influenced. In the extreme case, it is certainly possible that a player almost always loses, regardless of the output of the RNG.
For an AI (these are after all mostly used to control user activities) it is a piece of cake to flexibly implement a variable RTP setting depending on opportunity, motive, intention etc. and a specific time frame. This could well explain that at the peak of streaming, the top performers seemed to have surefire win rates, while the same games were totally dead for "normal people".
Perhaps nova82 can say something about whether or how every single call of the game is documented on the provider's server. Are such detailed parameters documented?
And how should the MGA (which surely doesn't want to) and especially the GGL then be able to control that? They would need access to the source code of the OC's AI. This will certainly not be disclosed, at least not before a public prosecutor with sufficient suspicion is standing in front of the door. In Malta, this will certainly not happen so quickly.
If you put 1 and 1 together and are not exactly 100% confident in this industry, you can see the simple technical possibilities for RTP fraud and you can also see how safely this can be implemented by the OCs.
So the only thing left is to believe in the honesty of the OC operators that they do not use this possibility.
If one now looks at the experiences from other industries, which are by all means regarded as serious, with such potential fraud opportunities, such as the automotive industry (diesel software), pharmaceuticals (manipulation of study results), the financial sector, etc pp, one can certainly have justified doubts about this.
This is now a (perhaps unjustified) very negatively oriented hypothesis. Gladly I am wrong, or assume wrong facts. Dear nova82, or also other users, perhaps you can point out to me, where my thought game "hakt".
In any case, this hypothesis would fit my subjective observations (as expressed by many other users) that even in MGA-licensed casinos that continue to report RTPs of 96-97% (e.g. platincasino.de), the game characteristics no longer come close to what was "normal" a few years ago. In my opinion, such statements should not be dismissed, as is often seen, as "gibberish" from players who cannot lose or have not "understood" gambling as such. Certainly, some users who make such statements have a very good sense for characteristics of games. Nor do they often lack experience with gambling. I, for example, have more than 30 years of active experience in gambling. My great-grandfather ran large casinos in Reno, Nevada for many years in the early days of legal gambling. (Fair!) Gambling is a family affair with us, so to speak. However, I now largely no longer do this online but again in the casino I trust.
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3rd Jul. 2023, at 08:55 am CEST#127
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The RTP given at the slot start is always an average value. Therefore, a fluctuation is normal and nothing unusual. The manufacturers always deliver a slot with different RTP packages. The casino chooses a standard package where they think it is most economical for their environment. Whether this is done once or whether the casino is allowed to change the RTP package e.g. several times a day, I don't know. If it would be like that, it is probably not illegal.
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3rd Jul. 2023, at 10:54 am CEST#128
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Begbie wrote on 03.07.2023 at 08:55: The RTP given at the slot start is always an average value. Therefore a fluctuation is normal and nothing unusual. Manufacturers always deliver a slot with different RTP packages. The casino chooses a standard package where they think it is most economical for their environment. Whether this is done once or whether the casino is allowed to change the RTP package e.g. several times a day, I don't know. If it would be like that, it is probably not illegal.
do you know that for sure or do you suspect that? With the multitude of different RTP indications that exist for the games, I can't imagine that this is traded via fixed "packages". That generates an unmanageably high number of variants, which is hardly possible to trade.
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3rd Jul. 2023, at 11:03 am CEST#129
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Hey nova82,
i, like some others, had concerns at the beginning.
Now I have to say that you are right, right here.
I'm glad that the users, including myself, have finally accepted you well.
Have fun furthermore
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3rd Jul. 2023, at 11:18 am CEST#130
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Begbie wrote on 03.07.2023 at 08:55: The RTP given at the slot start is always an average value. Therefore a fluctuation is normal and nothing unusual. Manufacturers always deliver a slot with different RTP packages. The casino chooses a standard package where they think it is most economical for their environment. Whether this is done once or whether the casino is allowed to change the RTP package e.g. several times a day, I don't know. If it would be like that, it is probably not illegal.
to the first point again: of course a given RTP is only a theoretical value, which would be reached only at infinite number of single games, no question. Only one can deduce from rules of stochastics that with a sufficiently high number of real samples (game rounds) the deviation from the theoretical RTP should be small. If an unexpectedly large deviation occurs here, something may be "wrong".
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Tuesday is also possible Spass...thank you for your effort and I look forward to the answers
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so it should actually be! all pure chance!
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after,a long time out, I felt motivated by these posts to become active again and to process some of what has been written here and to continue to read through it:
All OCs use the same RNG on each platform per game and cannot influence it. This is certainly true. But the output of the RNG is just a bare digit or sequence of digits. It says nothing about whether you have won or not. That happens in downstream algorithms, which then determine a win or non-win from this output. This is where the game gets its characteristics (volatility, theoretical RTP, etc.). In the past, these algorithms were fixed programmed, but today mostly parameterized, variable approaches are implemented to allow the OCs to set the RTPs (i.e. the chance of winning) individually. Nova82 has also confirmed this and some providers have also been advertising this possibility on their homepages for some time.
I do not know 100% how this is implemented in software, maybe nova82 knows. However, it is very likely that the OC passes additional control parameters when calling the game on the Provider server, which then lead the parameterized code to the desired RTP.
It is thus very obvious that the OCs have the knowledge and the technical possibilities to be able to influence the RTP constantly significantly. This does not directly determine for a specific game whether a player wins or loses at that moment. But his chances are influenced. In the extreme case, it is certainly possible that a player almost always loses, regardless of the output of the RNG.
For an AI (these are after all mostly used to control user activities) it is a piece of cake to flexibly implement a variable RTP setting depending on opportunity, motive, intention etc. and a specific time frame. This could well explain that at the peak of streaming, the top performers seemed to have surefire win rates, while the same games were totally dead for "normal people".
Perhaps nova82 can say something about whether or how every single call of the game is documented on the provider's server. Are such detailed parameters documented?
And how should the MGA (which surely doesn't want to) and especially the GGL then be able to control that? They would need access to the source code of the OC's AI. This will certainly not be disclosed, at least not before a public prosecutor with sufficient suspicion is standing in front of the door. In Malta, this will certainly not happen so quickly.
If you put 1 and 1 together and are not exactly 100% confident in this industry, you can see the simple technical possibilities for RTP fraud and you can also see how safely this can be implemented by the OCs.
So the only thing left is to believe in the honesty of the OC operators that they do not use this possibility.
If one now looks at the experiences from other industries, which are by all means regarded as serious, with such potential fraud opportunities, such as the automotive industry (diesel software), pharmaceuticals (manipulation of study results), the financial sector, etc pp, one can certainly have justified doubts about this.
This is now a (perhaps unjustified) very negatively oriented hypothesis. Gladly I am wrong, or assume wrong facts. Dear nova82, or also other users, perhaps you can point out to me, where my thought game "hakt".
In any case, this hypothesis would fit my subjective observations (as expressed by many other users) that even in MGA-licensed casinos that continue to report RTPs of 96-97% (e.g. platincasino.de), the game characteristics no longer come close to what was "normal" a few years ago. In my opinion, such statements should not be dismissed, as is often seen, as "gibberish" from players who cannot lose or have not "understood" gambling as such. Certainly, some users who make such statements have a very good sense for characteristics of games. Nor do they often lack experience with gambling. I, for example, have more than 30 years of active experience in gambling. My great-grandfather ran large casinos in Reno, Nevada for many years in the early days of legal gambling. (Fair!) Gambling is a family affair with us, so to speak. However, I now largely no longer do this online but again in the casino I trust.
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do you know that for sure or do you suspect that? With the multitude of different RTP indications that exist for the games, I can't imagine that this is traded via fixed "packages". That generates an unmanageably high number of variants, which is hardly possible to trade.
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i, like some others, had concerns at the beginning.
Now I have to say that you are right, right here.
I'm glad that the users, including myself, have finally accepted you well.
Have fun furthermore
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to the first point again: of course a given RTP is only a theoretical value, which would be reached only at infinite number of single games, no question. Only one can deduce from rules of stochastics that with a sufficiently high number of real samples (game rounds) the deviation from the theoretical RTP should be small. If an unexpectedly large deviation occurs here, something may be "wrong".
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