Caro wrote on 08.02.2023 at 14:30: I started watching the movie, but I wanted to finish the book first and then I'll watch the movie again
The cool thing about the movie is that, everything was pretty original recreated. If you see the photos of the apartment of Honka and the apartment in the film is the whole 1:1 just like pubs at that time and much more
It was a strange feeling to stand in front of the house and in the pub I was also...but that was 7 years ago! The movie is really well done, I only watched about 20 minutes, but I always like to read the book first and then watch the movies. If the book is soo well written, I often do without the movies.
Doesn't all this shit drag you down?
Dokus out of interest in crime stories okay, is that a...
Truecrime film adaptations or series that serve pure entertainment, I find somehow questionable.
Maybe I can be accused of a certain double standard, because I do consume violence in video games or action movies.
But this gratuitous, sadistic violence against individual victims in movies or series that deal with torture, abuse, etc., and in the end actually serve the entertainment, I find somehow hard to bear and I do not like to spoil my free time with I must say...
If the whole thing is then based on true events and as a film / series between all fictional series on Prime or netflix for the cozy couch evening, I find somehow disrespectful and hmm yes, at least questionable.
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Stromberg wrote on 08.02.2023 at 15:13: Doesn't all this shit pull you down at all?
Docs out of interest in crime stories okay, is that a...
Truecrime film adaptations or series that are for pure entertainment I find kind of questionable.
Maybe I can be accused of a certain double standard, because I do consume violence in video games or action movies.
But this gratuitous, sadistic violence against individual victims in movies or series that deal with torture, abuse, etc., and in the end actually serve the entertainment, I find somehow hard to bear and I do not like to spoil my free time with I must say...
If the whole thing is then based on true events and as a film / series between all fictional series on Prime or netflix for the cozy couch evening, I find somehow disrespectful and hmm yes, at least questionable.
Stromberg wrote on 08.02.2023 at 15:13: Doesn't all this shit drag you down?
Yes it does. I can't really explain why the topics interest me. I'm attracted to mysteries (myths, unexplained) and detectives (Sherlock Holmes, forensics). We will all die, but everyone has a different opinion about death.
Caro wrote on 08.02.2023 at 14:41: It was a funny feeling to stand in front of the house and in the pub I was also...but that was 7 years ago! The movie is really well done, I only watched around 20 minutes but I always like to read the book first and then watch the movies. Then when the book is soo well written, I often pass on the movies too.
i also read the book first and then watched the movie. often the book is better than the movie, but i thought both were very well done.
Stromberg wrote on 08.02.2023 at 15:13: Doesn't all this shit pull you down at all?
Docs out of interest in crime stories okay, is that a...
Truecrime film adaptations or series that are for pure entertainment I find kind of questionable.
Maybe I can be accused of a certain double standard, because I do consume violence in video games or action movies.
But this gratuitous, sadistic violence against individual victims in movies or series that deal with torture, abuse, etc., and in the end actually serve the entertainment, I find somehow hard to bear and I do not like to spoil my free time with I must say...
If the whole thing is then based on true events and as a film / series between all fictional series on Prime or netflix for the cozy couch evening, I find somehow disrespectful and hmm yes, at least questionable.
Can be interesting and exciting, also like to watch movies or series based on true events, but not only murderers or so.hab me once ne list of serial killers / murderers / murder couples picked out and have them one after the other abgeklappert and informed me about what they have done.The backgrounds explored.Was quite exciting, yet I feel contempt for these people and a Dahmer I would have made cold.Why should it pull you down?The world is now times a terrible place where every second, every minute, etc.Terrible things happen and not a picture book
Royal777 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 15:48:
Yes it absolutely does. I can't really explain it at all, which is why the themes interest me. I'm drawn to mysteries (myths, unexplained) and detectives (Sherlock Holmes, forensics). We will all die, but everyone has a different opinion about death.
Phew 48 minutes the video, I can not even watch now, but I hols after...
Your fascination for puzzles, detective etc. I also feel as quite understandable, as Saturday evenings with a bag of popcorn to watch how people are tortured. I had also tried to distinguish that in the beginning in my contribution...
But I mean all this also not at all depreciating or so...
That's why I had also drawn the comparison with video games or brought. There you get a story, meanwhile more and more often a very good story, which makes clear from the beginning: you are the good guy, the others are the bad guys, you can now flatten them all with a clear conscience. I still have fun with it.... You can also find it questionable...
But I do not want to blow up your discussion on the actual topic, was just a throw from me...
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Stromberg wrote on 08.02.2023 at 15:13: Doesn't all this shit pull you down at all?
Docs out of interest in crime stories okay, is that a...
Truecrime film adaptations or series that are for pure entertainment I find kind of questionable.
Maybe I can be accused of a certain double standard, because I do consume violence in video games or action movies.
But this gratuitous, sadistic violence against individual victims in movies or series that deal with torture, abuse, etc., and in the end actually serve the entertainment, I find somehow hard to bear and I do not like to spoil my free time with I must say...
If the whole thing is then based on true events and as a film / series between all fictional series on Prime or netflix for the cozy couch evening, I find somehow disrespectful and hmm yes, at least questionable.
So if it pulls me down, then rather subtly, so that I do not even notice it.
Find your criticism quite appropriate, and also share it to some extent. Especially in these cases on YT so often private details are called there from the environment, which have no fault at all. I also find that quite questionable, but if you would tell the stories without background, they would not even be half as exciting.
I am also somehow attracted to these topics, as royal777 has already written. Have already read as a child books about life after death by Kübler Ross, for example. Finds my environment also very weird that I deal so intensively with these dark topics. But what should I do? Pretend that I'm not interested and do something else instead? Doesn't make sense to me right away anyway...
Royal777 wrote on 08/02/2023 at 13:21:
There you have given a few parade examples
There are lawyers, journalists as well as authors who purposefully allow a single conclusion in their articles and videos by leaving facts out and only presenting a perspective. This manipulates the opinion of the population, then pressure can be built up on the judiciary. In this way, the decisions of judges and governors can be influenced so as not to tarnish their public image.
What has more weight in a verdict, the forensics or the consistent statements of eyewitnesses who contradict the irrefutable evidence of forensics?
As I said, for me the matter is clear. Söring is a guilty double murderer.
see here -> https://soeringguiltyascharged.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/der-wright-bericht-eine-deutsche-ubersetzung-2.pdf
There all theories and alleged mistakes Söring raises are also dissected and refuted.
He was able to reproduce the entire sequence of events, the correctness of the course of events, flawlessly. From the departure in DC to the arrival at the parents up to the gruesome end. Quite gruesome details. He knew who was lying where, exactly. Of 2 people. With one person you can maybe still guess if you had not been there, but with 2 people to know exactly how it was, that is no longer a coincidence.
In addition, the details with the "ice cream"... etc..
In addition, generally all the lies and deception afterwards, escape, extradition, etc....
This man can be happy to live in freedom now and the sad thing is that he was allowed to make an innocent everywhere, especially with the public law such as NDR, SRW, ZDF etc.!
If this act had happened in the present time, he would have been sentenced to death without ifs and buts.
refucs wrote on 07.02.2023 at 21:06:
Too bad this one will probably never be solved either. The clues the cell phones and camera gave, just cringe.... You don't need a horror movie for such a case...
Such missing persons cases are often never At least abroad. But is already a very mysterious case with the 2 Dutch women there, I also looked at it again intensively although it was at that time also with us in the media briefly spread and that was not new to me.
Should mMn but unfortunately must have been murder, for this simply speak too many facts, such as the suddenly standing backpack together with content & the one missing photo on the phone which could only be deleted by means of PC, that's a fact.
Panama's poor police work or possibly cover-up of the authorities to make it look like it was only 2 lost white girls from the Netherlands in the jungle on a hike is of course much more attractive than cold-blooded murder or cartel work, because Panama lives like all other poorer countries there very much from tourism and so a scandal in the region rather can not afford.
I think the two have noticed sometime that they are pursued, and then are the naturally before loud fear away from the path with which one cannot rather get lost as it is maintained by the authorities, and further deeply into the jungle purely, whereby one of the two must have fallen badly in all the stress/the fear, if necessary also into a gulch, which can explain the strange pictures at night with the rocks and plants which grow/show upward, also the one picture where the head of the redhead was photographed from behind around to look, which injury is present. Since there is a larger time span of the pictures temporally seen, they are really longer without large supply by the jungle before the uncertain of it, vllt. also always then, if they heard sounds in the jungle, or of that/those a picture to make with flashlight in the night, in order to know, who pursues them. Possibly, however, they both could no longer walk due to the injury or a fracture? and have tried to draw attention to themselves through the flashlight pictures, since no calls for help went through unfortunately.
That must have been probably a damn shitty u angsteinflösende situation... Vorallem then still at night in the jungle, with all the creepy noises and hardly what on, might have been also still quite cold. This shows then yes the pictures at night, which look mysterious for many, which have then not only made a picture of the environment, but whenever they have heard what, tried to get a picture of what is chasing them, can also have been an animal, to drive it away with the flashlights, because the battery was less and less.
At that time they were already searched by the search party and helicopters, therefore the one picture where obviously SOS stood on it tinkered from the map, and the Pringles can turned upside down illuminated which should reflect something. So already very very good and clever of the two... really, only it can be that they have found by these signals then the wrong possibly, which has exploited the situation of course and prepared an end.
One has found only a bleached pelvic bone and a piece of the foot in the shoe of the other, which is very strange, which can speak quite for the cartel, and teilw. these 5 boys of the gang with which they had already to do, had yes Connections to the cartel.
All quite sad and really a pity, but you must unfortunately never do alone in pairs something like this mMn, always in groups in such countries, or at least with a male companion or a serious guide as an escort, much too dangerous.
refucs wrote on 06.02.2023 at 23:41: I've seen weeks ago what about the murder case Schemmer from Germany on Youtube and also then partially researched in any forums. Very interesting murder case.
A woman who allegedly innocent wants to sit in jail.
She had murdered her in-laws in their home. Has traveled in a time span of good 8 hours between 22 and 6 o'clock nearly 800 KM (there and back), from the own house to the house of the parents-in-law and then still committed the murder. No traces, only heavy circumstantial evidence.
For me, she is also clearly the perpetrator. The interesting thing for me is that the husband, the son of the murdered woman, still believes that his wife is innocent. Although it is really very very clear that it could only be her.
what makes you think that she is clearly the perpetrator. In the videos that was not clear to me...
but I don't understand how the key got into the flowerbed? was it the key from the daughter-in-law? or another one?
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himmel80 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 22:07:
but i don't understand how the key got into the flower bed...was that the key from the daughter in law...or another?
From 22:45 in the following video you will be enlightened https://youtu.be/TVHzB6Pw9JI?t=1366
If I'm informed correctly, it was unclear at the time who had the key last. The daughter-in-law had apparently had her key at home.
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Jenn-R wrote on 08.02.2023 at 19:41:
That become such missing persons cases yes often never At least abroad. But is already a very mysterious case with the 2 Dutch women there, have also looked at it again intensively although it was at that time also with us in the media briefly spread and it did not seem new to me.
Should mMn but unfortunately must have been murder, for this simply speak too many facts, such as the suddenly standing backpack together with content & the one missing photo on the phone which could only be deleted by means of PC, that's a fact.
Panama's poor police work or possibly cover-up of the authorities to make it look like it was only 2 lost white girls from the Netherlands in the jungle on a hike is of course much more attractive than cold-blooded murder or cartel work, because Panama lives like all other poorer countries there very much from tourism and so a scandal in the region rather can not afford.
I think the two have noticed sometime that they are pursued, and then are the naturally before loud fear away from the path with which one cannot rather get lost as it is maintained by the authorities, and further deeply into the jungle purely, whereby one of the two must have fallen badly in all the stress/the fear, if necessary also into a gulch, which can explain the strange pictures at night with the rocks and plants which grow/show upward, also the one picture where the head of the redhead was photographed from behind around to look, which injury is present. Since there is a larger time span of the pictures temporally seen, they are really longer without large supply by the jungle before the uncertain of it, vllt. also always then, if they heard sounds in the jungle, or of that/those a picture to make with flashlight in the night, in order to know, who pursues them. Possibly, however, they both could no longer walk due to the injury or a fracture? and have tried to draw attention to themselves through the flashlight pictures, since no calls for help went through unfortunately.
That must have been probably a damn shitty u angsteinflösende situation... Vorallem then still at night in the jungle, with all the creepy noises and hardly what on, might have been also still quite cold. This shows then yes the pictures at night, which look mysterious for many, which have then not only made a picture of the environment, but whenever they have heard what, tried to get a picture of what is chasing them, can also have been an animal, to drive it away with the flashlights, because the battery was less and less.
At that time they were already searched by the search party and helicopters, therefore the one picture where obviously SOS stood on it tinkered from the map, and the Pringles can turned upside down illuminated which should reflect something. So already very very good and clever of the two... really, only it can be that they have found by these signals then the wrong possibly, which has exploited the situation of course and prepared an end.
One has found only a bleached pelvic bone and a piece of the foot in the shoe of the other, which is very strange, which can speak quite for the cartel, and teilw. these 5 boys of the gang with which they had already to do, had yes Connections to the cartel.
All quite sad and really a pity, but you must unfortunately never do alone in pairs soas mMn, always in groups in such countries, or at least with a male companion or a serious guide as an escort, much too dangerous.
Interesting thoughts! A fall as well as an accident I exclude, however, I find your theory quite conclusive! The "SOS" and the Pringles can I have not thought at all.
Due to the large time span, the backpack, the smoothly cut ankle and that a computer was used for the deletion of the photo, I believe that the two women were kidnapped immediately after the last selfie and brought into a shelter, as the mother of the murdered witnesses had reported. The rest of the photos were taken by the perpetrator.
what makes you think she is clearly the perpetrator. It was not clear to me in the videos...
but I don't understand how the key got into the flowerbed? was it the key from the daughter-in-law? or another one?
It is not clear from the videos either, I recommend you to read the verdict with the reasoning and the circumstantial evidence/facts when you have some time.
This is for ME then a clear thing. -> https://openjur.de/u/841958.html
This woman is guilty. Ice cold.
The key was placed next to the stairs for this to be found. The key comes from the house. She or her husband had one of their own, which was also found at their home after the crime. So why would those killed put a key from themselves outside next to the stairs? Why would any perpetrator, who is not you, get into the house without any signs of burglary, kill the couple, take nothing with them, and then take a front door key out with them and put it next to the stairs? This is another amateurish move to cover up this crime.
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The cool thing about the movie is that, everything was pretty original recreated. If you see the photos of the apartment of Honka and the apartment in the film is the whole 1:1 just like pubs at that time and much more
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Dokus out of interest in crime stories okay, is that a...
Truecrime film adaptations or series that serve pure entertainment, I find somehow questionable.
Maybe I can be accused of a certain double standard, because I do consume violence in video games or action movies.
But this gratuitous, sadistic violence against individual victims in movies or series that deal with torture, abuse, etc., and in the end actually serve the entertainment, I find somehow hard to bear and I do not like to spoil my free time with I must say...
If the whole thing is then based on true events and as a film / series between all fictional series on Prime or netflix for the cozy couch evening, I find somehow disrespectful and hmm yes, at least questionable.
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To the genre horror (murder, torture, abuse, entertainment), the fascination of brutality I would like to add the following from the film critics Robert Hofmann and David Hain;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxIOusThUJA&ab_channel=tinseltown
Yes it does. I can't really explain why the topics interest me. I'm attracted to mysteries (myths, unexplained) and detectives (Sherlock Holmes, forensics). We will all die, but everyone has a different opinion about death.
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i also read the book first and then watched the movie. often the book is better than the movie, but i thought both were very well done.
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Can be interesting and exciting, also like to watch movies or series based on true events, but not only murderers or so.hab me once ne list of serial killers / murderers / murder couples picked out and have them one after the other abgeklappert and informed me about what they have done.The backgrounds explored.Was quite exciting, yet I feel contempt for these people and a Dahmer I would have made cold.Why should it pull you down?The world is now times a terrible place where every second, every minute, etc.Terrible things happen and not a picture book
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Phew 48 minutes the video, I can not even watch now, but I hols after...
Your fascination for puzzles, detective etc. I also feel as quite understandable, as Saturday evenings with a bag of popcorn to watch how people are tortured. I had also tried to distinguish that in the beginning in my contribution...
But I mean all this also not at all depreciating or so...
That's why I had also drawn the comparison with video games or brought. There you get a story, meanwhile more and more often a very good story, which makes clear from the beginning: you are the good guy, the others are the bad guys, you can now flatten them all with a clear conscience. I still have fun with it.... You can also find it questionable...
But I do not want to blow up your discussion on the actual topic, was just a throw from me...
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So if it pulls me down, then rather subtly, so that I do not even notice it.
Find your criticism quite appropriate, and also share it to some extent. Especially in these cases on YT so often private details are called there from the environment, which have no fault at all. I also find that quite questionable, but if you would tell the stories without background, they would not even be half as exciting.
I am also somehow attracted to these topics, as royal777 has already written. Have already read as a child books about life after death by Kübler Ross, for example. Finds my environment also very weird that I deal so intensively with these dark topics. But what should I do? Pretend that I'm not interested and do something else instead? Doesn't make sense to me right away anyway...
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As I said, for me the matter is clear. Söring is a guilty double murderer.
see here -> https://soeringguiltyascharged.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/der-wright-bericht-eine-deutsche-ubersetzung-2.pdf
There all theories and alleged mistakes Söring raises are also dissected and refuted.
He was able to reproduce the entire sequence of events, the correctness of the course of events, flawlessly. From the departure in DC to the arrival at the parents up to the gruesome end. Quite gruesome details. He knew who was lying where, exactly. Of 2 people. With one person you can maybe still guess if you had not been there, but with 2 people to know exactly how it was, that is no longer a coincidence.
In addition, the details with the "ice cream"... etc..
In addition, generally all the lies and deception afterwards, escape, extradition, etc....
This man can be happy to live in freedom now and the sad thing is that he was allowed to make an innocent everywhere, especially with the public law such as NDR, SRW, ZDF etc.!
If this act had happened in the present time, he would have been sentenced to death without ifs and buts.
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But ok each as he / she / it would like.
I could not look at something like that. That would haunt me in my sleep.
I already pee my pants when I hear noises that I can not assign.
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Such missing persons cases are often never At least abroad. But is already a very mysterious case with the 2 Dutch women there, I also looked at it again intensively although it was at that time also with us in the media briefly spread and that was not new to me.
Should mMn but unfortunately must have been murder, for this simply speak too many facts, such as the suddenly standing backpack together with content & the one missing photo on the phone which could only be deleted by means of PC, that's a fact.
Panama's poor police work or possibly cover-up of the authorities to make it look like it was only 2 lost white girls from the Netherlands in the jungle on a hike is of course much more attractive than cold-blooded murder or cartel work, because Panama lives like all other poorer countries there very much from tourism and so a scandal in the region rather can not afford.
I think the two have noticed sometime that they are pursued, and then are the naturally before loud fear away from the path with which one cannot rather get lost as it is maintained by the authorities, and further deeply into the jungle purely, whereby one of the two must have fallen badly in all the stress/the fear, if necessary also into a gulch, which can explain the strange pictures at night with the rocks and plants which grow/show upward, also the one picture where the head of the redhead was photographed from behind around to look, which injury is present. Since there is a larger time span of the pictures temporally seen, they are really longer without large supply by the jungle before the uncertain of it, vllt. also always then, if they heard sounds in the jungle, or of that/those a picture to make with flashlight in the night, in order to know, who pursues them. Possibly, however, they both could no longer walk due to the injury or a fracture? and have tried to draw attention to themselves through the flashlight pictures, since no calls for help went through unfortunately.
That must have been probably a damn shitty u angsteinflösende situation... Vorallem then still at night in the jungle, with all the creepy noises and hardly what on, might have been also still quite cold. This shows then yes the pictures at night, which look mysterious for many, which have then not only made a picture of the environment, but whenever they have heard what, tried to get a picture of what is chasing them, can also have been an animal, to drive it away with the flashlights, because the battery was less and less.
At that time they were already searched by the search party and helicopters, therefore the one picture where obviously SOS stood on it tinkered from the map, and the Pringles can turned upside down illuminated which should reflect something. So already very very good and clever of the two... really, only it can be that they have found by these signals then the wrong possibly, which has exploited the situation of course and prepared an end.
One has found only a bleached pelvic bone and a piece of the foot in the shoe of the other, which is very strange, which can speak quite for the cartel, and teilw. these 5 boys of the gang with which they had already to do, had yes Connections to the cartel.
All quite sad and really a pity, but you must unfortunately never do alone in pairs something like this mMn, always in groups in such countries, or at least with a male companion or a serious guide as an escort, much too dangerous.
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what makes you think that she is clearly the perpetrator. In the videos that was not clear to me...
but I don't understand how the key got into the flowerbed? was it the key from the daughter-in-law? or another one?
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From 22:45 in the following video you will be enlightened
https://youtu.be/TVHzB6Pw9JI?t=1366
If I'm informed correctly, it was unclear at the time who had the key last. The daughter-in-law had apparently had her key at home.
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Interesting thoughts! A fall as well as an accident I exclude, however, I find your theory quite conclusive! The "SOS" and the Pringles can I have not thought at all.
Due to the large time span, the backpack, the smoothly cut ankle and that a computer was used for the deletion of the photo, I believe that the two women were kidnapped immediately after the last selfie and brought into a shelter, as the mother of the murdered witnesses had reported. The rest of the photos were taken by the perpetrator.
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It is not clear from the videos either, I recommend you to read the verdict with the reasoning and the circumstantial evidence/facts when you have some time.
This is for ME then a clear thing. -> https://openjur.de/u/841958.html
This woman is guilty. Ice cold.
The key was placed next to the stairs for this to be found. The key comes from the house. She or her husband had one of their own, which was also found at their home after the crime. So why would those killed put a key from themselves outside next to the stairs? Why would any perpetrator, who is not you, get into the house without any signs of burglary, kill the couple, take nothing with them, and then take a front door key out with them and put it next to the stairs? This is another amateurish move to cover up this crime.
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