Gambeljoe supports scammers? Softswiss Casinos in the Toplist!
2nd Feb. 2021, at 03:58 pm CET#165
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Kleinkariert wrote on 02.02.2021 at 12:18 pm: Too bad and he also took the bomb. His concerns and that he is questioning is all well and good.
But how he ridicules himself with time limits, announcements like "wait and see what data I have on you" and insults.
Whether fraud in the order of magnitude that the TE has in mind prevails is not evident based on the allegations. Somehow, some casino is guaranteed to cheat and that it flies up, you often owe people who document conspicuousness and question. But this thread was destroyed by TE by the above reasons unfortunately itself.
And I don't think anything of the Top List here. It is better than most vllt also the best, but even this is still bad in my eyes. Nevertheless, Gamblejoe is overall a very good site, the exchange of opinions is very free here as you could notice yourself.
On top lists can sneak also always times bad casinos because it is not so that one says directly with the cooperation agreement "Oh by the way we are a fraudulent casino"
But it is much more important that the team in good German said the ass to help with problems and so quasi also takes responsibility for the casinos they provide us and that do not many with so much power
I can not remember any case where the team has simply given up a case if the player was innocent
The approach of the TE was certainly questionable here.
Nevertheless, he has addressed some sore points that many here suppress to talk their Gambling addiction beautiful!
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2nd Feb. 2021, at 10:08 pm CET#168
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MagnusHartz wrote on 02.02.2021 at 19:24: The approach of the TE was certainly questionable here.
Nevertheless, he has addressed many a sore point that many here suppress to talk their Gambling addiction beautiful!
Now that he's gone, I'd say:
Just cheerfully continue
I absolutely agree with you. Have also often often read how strange some experiences at Casino xy were and I also recognize already the " known" patterns
The one has bad experiences with Provider xy in casino xy etc...
We know where this generally leads
Would be great if he reveals what he noticed. He had even a bissl researched and found out that this company has ne license of the MGA to operate the slots there. A not unusual business of the developers
Could not imagine that based on his experiences that something like this is right.
Then you do the following. One goes with its data and/or proofs, to the licensor and submits these. In the best case, this really irregular on and checks again according to their regulations
Withdraws the developer's licenses and the casinos
Now they do not care and continue to offer the gambling
If one sees then here with GJ, one presents that still as Top Casino, I assume strongly one gets not only the managing director to speak but a few GJ Coins on top. For making attentive (Let's assume that the processing of the error message so tightens all employees that you have not noticed the message of the authority)
The bottom line is that he almost achieved his goals.
He wanted to warn us and it reached me. Didn't put 30k in there over the weekend
That he did not get an interview... Too bad but everyone can decide for themselves whether he would have commented
Even though I honestly had doubts about whether it was a good idea for us as GambleJoe to comment on the thread again, I decided to write a statement anyway.
In the following I will pick up various quotes from the entire thread and briefly discuss each of them.
Y****2 wrote on 01/30/2021 at 8:53 PM
I count more than 50 casinos here on the site we assume an average of 100€ per player (which is very very very far low) which are deposited monthly. In some casinos they sent less players and in others less. But here we can assume a total of 1000 players without problems with the size of the community.
Let's scale that down and say these 1000 players are distributed among the 50 casinos so that would result in a total generated amount of 100,000 €! On the casino sites I can see models which are set between 40%-50% profit sharing.
My best we are talking about at least 40.000€ - 50.000€ income and that monthly! This is not a living, this is big business.
GambleJoe is a casino comparison portal with various features and functions, as well as the largest casino community in the German-speaking world.
The portal is managed and continuously developed by several full-time employees. We have to rent servers, pay office rent and also don't pay low wages, but decent salaries, because the work here also requires a certain amount of personal responsibility and everyone from the team always gives their best to advance the portal.
Daniel already brought light into the darkness here (https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/sonstiges/smalltalk/was-kostet-oder-bringt-das-forum-6145/#p6186) more than 3 years ago.
Until today, the overall situation has hardly changed. We negotiate with the casinos if possible always one-time commissions (CPA).
The advantage of this is obvious - by foregoing revenue sharing, we remain flexible. If a casino deteriorates, we can negotiate with the casino without fearing
without fear of losing our long-term rev share. We are financially unconstrained and we theoretically can care less which casino players Deposit at.
Roughly speaking, what counts for us is that the casinos are honest with the players and that any wins are also paid out.
The compensation model just mentioned is usually not displayed on the partner portals / Affiliate programs and usually only offered by the casinos after personal negotiation.
Your calculation of "1000 players, who all pay in 100 Euros, thereby creating 100,000 Euros in win and GambleJoe gets 40,000 Euros or 50,000 Euros" definitely does not work.
The fact is that the 1000 players would all have to lose 100 euros each in order for 100,000 euros to end up in the casino's coffers, but costs are also deducted from this (this is explained below).
Realistically, of the 1000 players who deposit 100 euros, there will be around 50% who cash out the same amount. There will be 10% who cash out significantly more than 100 Euros and maybe 40% who really lose their deposited money completely.
The effective win on 100,000 deposited Euros is then maybe 10,000 Euros. Usually even lower if you assume a long term RTP of 96%.
100.000 Euros go in, 96,000 Euros go out. Even if this sounds unbelievable to the layman, but this is exactly the reason why casinos turn over millions.
This does not mean that the casinos listed on GambleJoe all bring in millions in wins every month, even if there are over 10,000 players active on a regular basis.
Y****2 wrote on 01/31/2021 at 01:23: The lump sums you are supposed to have opted for certainly don't look steep for such a platform. (I guess times on 300€-400€) per player, since it concerns a unique remuneration if I understood that correctly. And you do not believe that the operators here their old contracts with the revenue shares to quote you "ad acta" have put, this flat rate applies to newly generated players
Do not be angry with me, but the numbers in my supposed "milkmaid calculation" are still far from too low!
Let's put it this way, the community members who spoke up in the thread are right.
It's really none of your business what we earn, but 300 Euro per player (let alone 400 Euro per player), who might even pay in only 10 Euro or 20 Euro,
are so unrealistic that it leaves me speechless. Even on average, that's total cheese.
I'm so triggered by such absolutely far-fetched false statements that I take the trouble to react to them.
Realistic nowadays (especially according to the new guidelines) are one-time commissions of 80 to 100 euros per new, depositing real money player, but that's only if the recruited players are active for a longer period of time.
Otherwise, what would it benefit the casino to pay us 100 euros if the referred player deposits 10, 50 or 100 euros?
At the latest after the first payout of the commission, the affiliate managers of the individual casinos would recalculate and enforce a reduction of the deal.
Even if a player deposits 100 euros, would have lost the money completely and the casino would pay us for it once 100 euros, the casino would have made minus, because from the casino sales tax must be transferred.
Furthermore, employees in the casino must be paid, licenses for the games must be financed and processing fees for the respective deposit method must also be deducted.
The topic could be taken apart again for a very long time, the fact is, we earn good money with GambleJoe, of course, but you have to take into account that GambleJoe has had the doors open for over 8 years.
I myself have been with the company for just under 6 years and am busy with this portal virtually 7 days a week - always. My personal life is filled in conversations and thoughts about this portal, how to improve it,
how to make things more efficient and how to provide the best possible platform for users.
Y****2 wrote on 31.01.2021 at 01:23 clock: Exactly this fact uses this page exactly so, it provides you "free" bundled and also quite transparent information about Online Casinos to verfügung.(I have at least long assumed) And? does it click? besides, it plasters the page to with casino advertising in the hope that you click on it and sign up.
Where do we paste GambleJoe with advertising please? I think any user will tell you that there are no flashing banner ads here.
I have been in online marketing for over 17 years. I know every kind of advertising medium, whether peel ads, leaderboards, skyscrapers or hover ads.
We don't have any of that on GambleJoe - Also, there are no popups, no ad layers or any other smut like cookie spam or unwanted email ads.
What's available: There is a top list from GambleJoe and a top list from the community. Everywhere it is clearly shown where the user is directed to
Buttons that earn money are clearly colored orange, so that you don't end up in a casino by mistake if you don't want to.
Y****2 wrote on 31.01.2021 at 01:46: One more thing, I really hope that my thread will not be closed or my account deleted before I get an answer from the GJ team. And get communicated what they have done to this group and the associated casinos have brought light into the dark!
If that happens, the community can make their own picture about it.
Unbelievable is that - on the one hand you ask that the thread is not closed and your account is not deleted, on the other hand you delete your account after such a short time by itself?
Delarion wrote on 01.02.2021 at 18:24
they earn money with data like email and co..omg the shit does facebook 3000x more often and still every 2nd here uses whatsapp
your infos, proofs or who knows what you have to put on your beer cap don't seem to be very new xD
I know you meant it ironically, but I want to clarify that personally again for all readers,
that we have never sold or otherwise shared any user data so far
We never send any unsolicited emails ourselves, nor do we use the email addresses for any purpose other than GambleJoe.
Y****2 wrote on 02/02/2021 at 00:15 Don't you find it strange that Matthias announced on Saturday that he will check everything together with the team today and there is still no statement? At least something to say about it is important or? No matter how it turns out.
On Saturday I announced something big? I wrote that we will look at it and possibly comment again.
Matthias wrote on 01/30/2021 at 12:17 PM
We'll take a look at it as a team next Monday and possibly comment again.
Maybe after my answer you also realize that such an answer can't be written in 5 minutes. A statement sometimes needs some time. Apparently you don't have it, I'm sorry for you.
Y****2 wrote on 02/02/2021 at 00:15 PM
Fun Fact Why do I get messages in my system that an .exe file wants to access when I log in here since tonight!? what is that
No idea what you are trying to say, but GambleJoe is certainly not the reason any .exe files are running on your computer. Install a virus scanner - it's definitely not us.
Delarion wrote on 02.02.2021 at 12:19 pm
what a pity, when it was getting exciting and he was getting more and more into his ridiculous conspiracy
oh wait sure GJ deleted him so he can't drop a bomb...what n move...
I understand the irony here too, but just to communicate that clearly and plainly again:
The thread creator (TE) deleted himself from GambleJoe on 02/02/2021 at 11:27 AM with the following reason "I don't feel like being a part of the community anymore".
It is important for us to mention: The deletion of the user was done of his own free will.
By the way, the user did not have a verified email address either, which makes us suspect that he wanted to remain anonymous.
Furthermore, it seems that the main purpose of the deletion was to cause trouble in the forum and at the same time to get advice on how to get the lost money back.
To be frank about our actions, in case anyone wonders why we didn't remove the denounced casinos immediately:
Firstly, the casinos have a valid MGA license, secondly, the evidence video with the mask was a questionable source from our point of view, also the mentioned links from the thread creator were predominantly unserious (example: child killing allegation).
Also, we have no unresolved critical casino complaints of the mentioned providers in our complaint area so far, and this although the casinos have been listed on our platform for several months.
Here, it is even worth mentioning as positive that even the corresponding casino manager has registered with GambleJoe and responded in the forum.
Finally, I would like to mention that despite the strange way the creator of the thread has expressed himself here, we are following up on the facts and are investigating internally to the best of our abilities.
On the part of GambleJoe, that should be it now, the thread has already (unfortunately) cost us a lot of time and therefore we will not do the thread creator (after he has deleted himself anyway) now the favor to explain us further here.
The thread will be closed shortly, good night all together!
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what a pity, when it was getting exciting and he was getting more and more into his ridiculous conspiracy
oh wait sure GJ deleted him so he can't drop a bomb...what n move...
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Don't worry. The next aluhut/ "I'll just sue for my losses" is never far away.
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So eat more sausage people
In this sense!
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On top lists can sneak also always times bad casinos because it is not so that one says directly with the cooperation agreement "Oh by the way we are a fraudulent casino"
But it is much more important that the team in good German said the ass to help with problems and so quasi also takes responsibility for the casinos they provide us and that do not many with so much power
I can not remember any case where the team has simply given up a case if the player was innocent
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Nevertheless, he has addressed some sore points that many here suppress to talk their Gambling addiction beautiful!
Now that he is gone, I would say:
Just cheerfully continue
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I absolutely agree with you. Have also often often read how strange some experiences at Casino xy were and I also recognize already the " known" patterns
The one has bad experiences with Provider xy in casino xy etc...
We know where this generally leads
Would be great if he reveals what he noticed. He had even a bissl researched and found out that this company has ne license of the MGA to operate the slots there. A not unusual business of the developers
Could not imagine that based on his experiences that something like this is right.
Then you do the following. One goes with its data and/or proofs, to the licensor and submits these. In the best case, this really irregular on and checks again according to their regulations
Withdraws the developer's licenses and the casinos
Now they do not care and continue to offer the gambling
If one sees then here with GJ, one presents that still as Top Casino, I assume strongly one gets not only the managing director to speak but a few GJ Coins on top. For making attentive (Let's assume that the processing of the error message so tightens all employees that you have not noticed the message of the authority)
The bottom line is that he almost achieved his goals.
He wanted to warn us and it reached me. Didn't put 30k in there over the weekend
That he did not get an interview... Too bad but everyone can decide for themselves whether he would have commented
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In the following I will pick up various quotes from the entire thread and briefly discuss each of them.
GambleJoe is a casino comparison portal with various features and functions, as well as the largest casino community in the German-speaking world.
The portal is managed and continuously developed by several full-time employees. We have to rent servers, pay office rent and also don't pay low wages, but decent salaries, because the work here also requires a certain amount of personal responsibility and everyone from the team always gives their best to advance the portal.
Daniel already brought light into the darkness here (https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/sonstiges/smalltalk/was-kostet-oder-bringt-das-forum-6145/#p6186) more than 3 years ago.
Until today, the overall situation has hardly changed. We negotiate with the casinos if possible always one-time commissions (CPA).
The advantage of this is obvious - by foregoing revenue sharing, we remain flexible. If a casino deteriorates, we can negotiate with the casino without fearing
without fear of losing our long-term rev share. We are financially unconstrained and we theoretically can care less which casino players Deposit at.
Roughly speaking, what counts for us is that the casinos are honest with the players and that any wins are also paid out.
The compensation model just mentioned is usually not displayed on the partner portals / Affiliate programs and usually only offered by the casinos after personal negotiation.
Your calculation of "1000 players, who all pay in 100 Euros, thereby creating 100,000 Euros in win and GambleJoe gets 40,000 Euros or 50,000 Euros" definitely does not work.
The fact is that the 1000 players would all have to lose 100 euros each in order for 100,000 euros to end up in the casino's coffers, but costs are also deducted from this (this is explained below).
Realistically, of the 1000 players who deposit 100 euros, there will be around 50% who cash out the same amount. There will be 10% who cash out significantly more than 100 Euros and maybe 40% who really lose their deposited money completely.
The effective win on 100,000 deposited Euros is then maybe 10,000 Euros. Usually even lower if you assume a long term RTP of 96%.
100.000 Euros go in, 96,000 Euros go out. Even if this sounds unbelievable to the layman, but this is exactly the reason why casinos turn over millions.
This does not mean that the casinos listed on GambleJoe all bring in millions in wins every month, even if there are over 10,000 players active on a regular basis.
Let's put it this way, the community members who spoke up in the thread are right.
It's really none of your business what we earn, but 300 Euro per player (let alone 400 Euro per player), who might even pay in only 10 Euro or 20 Euro,
are so unrealistic that it leaves me speechless. Even on average, that's total cheese.
I'm so triggered by such absolutely far-fetched false statements that I take the trouble to react to them.
Realistic nowadays (especially according to the new guidelines) are one-time commissions of 80 to 100 euros per new, depositing real money player, but that's only if the recruited players are active for a longer period of time.
Otherwise, what would it benefit the casino to pay us 100 euros if the referred player deposits 10, 50 or 100 euros?
At the latest after the first payout of the commission, the affiliate managers of the individual casinos would recalculate and enforce a reduction of the deal.
Even if a player deposits 100 euros, would have lost the money completely and the casino would pay us for it once 100 euros, the casino would have made minus, because from the casino sales tax must be transferred.
Furthermore, employees in the casino must be paid, licenses for the games must be financed and processing fees for the respective deposit method must also be deducted.
The topic could be taken apart again for a very long time, the fact is, we earn good money with GambleJoe, of course, but you have to take into account that GambleJoe has had the doors open for over 8 years.
I myself have been with the company for just under 6 years and am busy with this portal virtually 7 days a week - always. My personal life is filled in conversations and thoughts about this portal, how to improve it,
how to make things more efficient and how to provide the best possible platform for users.
Where do we paste GambleJoe with advertising please? I think any user will tell you that there are no flashing banner ads here.
I have been in online marketing for over 17 years. I know every kind of advertising medium, whether peel ads, leaderboards, skyscrapers or hover ads.
We don't have any of that on GambleJoe - Also, there are no popups, no ad layers or any other smut like cookie spam or unwanted email ads.
What's available: There is a top list from GambleJoe and a top list from the community. Everywhere it is clearly shown where the user is directed to
Buttons that earn money are clearly colored orange, so that you don't end up in a casino by mistake if you don't want to.
Unbelievable is that - on the one hand you ask that the thread is not closed and your account is not deleted, on the other hand you delete your account after such a short time by itself?
I know you meant it ironically, but I want to clarify that personally again for all readers,
that we have never sold or otherwise shared any user data so far
We never send any unsolicited emails ourselves, nor do we use the email addresses for any purpose other than GambleJoe.
On Saturday I announced something big? I wrote that we will look at it and possibly comment again.
Maybe after my answer you also realize that such an answer can't be written in 5 minutes. A statement sometimes needs some time. Apparently you don't have it, I'm sorry for you.
No idea what you are trying to say, but GambleJoe is certainly not the reason any .exe files are running on your computer. Install a virus scanner - it's definitely not us.
I understand the irony here too, but just to communicate that clearly and plainly again:
The thread creator (TE) deleted himself from GambleJoe on 02/02/2021 at 11:27 AM with the following reason "I don't feel like being a part of the community anymore".
It is important for us to mention: The deletion of the user was done of his own free will.
By the way, the user did not have a verified email address either, which makes us suspect that he wanted to remain anonymous.
Furthermore, it seems that the main purpose of the deletion was to cause trouble in the forum and at the same time to get advice on how to get the lost money back.
To be frank about our actions, in case anyone wonders why we didn't remove the denounced casinos immediately:
Firstly, the casinos have a valid MGA license, secondly, the evidence video with the mask was a questionable source from our point of view, also the mentioned links from the thread creator were predominantly unserious (example: child killing allegation).
Also, we have no unresolved critical casino complaints of the mentioned providers in our complaint area so far, and this although the casinos have been listed on our platform for several months.
Here, it is even worth mentioning as positive that even the corresponding casino manager has registered with GambleJoe and responded in the forum.
Finally, I would like to mention that despite the strange way the creator of the thread has expressed himself here, we are following up on the facts and are investigating internally to the best of our abilities.
On the part of GambleJoe, that should be it now, the thread has already (unfortunately) cost us a lot of time and therefore we will not do the thread creator (after he has deleted himself anyway) now the favor to explain us further here.
The thread will be closed shortly, good night all together!
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