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Gambling addiction in general: Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ? (Page 3)

Topic created on 19th Jan. 2021 | Page: 3 of 3 | Answers: 28 | Views: 5,243
Goeki72
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Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

19th Jan. 2021, at 09:27 pm CET#21
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In my opinion, therapy is not effective in such a "severe" case as yours

What should the few months bring?

The solutions
-you go crazy for Jesus Film.
-look for a super dominant partner or partner
- or accept that the addiction is a part of you and instead of fighting it you will control it sometime in the future. Doesn't always work 100% but you can still live "normally" despite the addiction.

Play small stakes 20-100 euro cents.
The slots don't race away, meaning you can always play and don't have to play late into the night.

Always play with a good bonus, which also increases the RTP.

Play sports betting Bonuses free as a pastime.

I was also hopelessly addicted like you except for the debts, because I have actually always lost has had little sense in my opinion. Nevertheless, I have brutally gambled away a lot.

Good luck money is not everything in life....




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Anonym

Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

19th Jan. 2021, at 09:46 pm CET#22
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Goeki72 wrote on 19.01.2021 at 21:27: Therapy is in my opinion not purposeful with such a "heavy" case like with you

What is the point of a few months?

The solutions
-you go crazy on Jesus Film.
-look for a super dominant partner or partner
- or accept that the addiction is a part of you and instead of fighting it you will control it sometime in the future. Doesn't always work 100% but you can still live "normally" despite the addiction.

Play small stakes 20-100 euro cents.
The slots don't race away, meaning you can always play and don't have to play late into the night.

Always play with a good bonus, which also increases the RTP.

Play sports betting Bonuses free as a pastime.

I was also hopelessly addicted like you except for the debts, because I have actually always lost has had little sense in my opinion. Nevertheless, I have brutally gambled away a lot.

Good luck money is not everything in life....

Hello Goeki72,


Thank you very much for your reply

I find now personally awesome that you see that so that it would not be target.

I mean, just after so long playing time I am for the first time in the hands of an expert, who in my opinion has brought good arguments to my addiction, and probably has a lot of experience on this issue.

What exactly you mean by the solution of going full blast like on Jesus film, I honestly can't understand. Maybe you can explain it to me in more detail

To the solution with the partner, I do not think it would make sense to look for a partner only because she is very dominant, but I can of course also be wrong, that's just my opinion

So to speak, I live for a good month quite normal without playing, and I feel no urge to look for me a way to play, because opportunities, so it has shown the past - there is ALWAYS, if you specifically looking for it, BUT, no I do not want that anymore.

I also find it amazing that so many advise that I should live with my addiction and just control it and try low stakes/limits that don't hurt me financially.

But I think to myself, apart from the financial damage that this would entail, even if it would be "only" 100€ a month (compared to the previously mentioned losses) it is exactly what makes a cure impossible

I want to get on the path to never gambling again, and to gain complete control over it, if I had the financial means/freedoms to do so again, you know what I mean?


Sincerely

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SunSun13
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Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

19th Jan. 2021, at 10:11 pm CET#23
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Hello Oldschool1995,
Well, I can only strongly advise you not to do what some people write here, namely to try to play in a controlled way. This will probably end in disaster for you and I have the feeling that this is also clear to you in principle. So stay on course in any case and keep your hands off it completely. Unfortunately, I can't help you with therapy either, and I understand the arguments against it. But how is it in your job? Is it a job where you always have to be there, so no home office or anything like that? Because then now would be a good time for such a therapy. Otherwise you can continue as you are doing now and set yourself the goal to try it one last time without therapy, just with the regular talks. In case of another relapse, however, you should really take this step
In any case I wish you all the best that you will make it!
And register again in another forum, there are also forums specifically on the subject of gambling addiction....

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Anonym

Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

19th Jan. 2021, at 10:31 pm CET#24
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SunSun13 wrote on 19.01.2021 at 22:11: Hello Oldschool1995,
Well, I can only strongly advise you not to do what some people write here, namely to try to play controlled. This will probably end in disaster for you and I have the feeling that you are basically aware of this. So stay on course in any case and keep your hands off it completely. Unfortunately, I can't help you with therapy either, and I understand the arguments against it. But how is it in your job? Is it a job where you always have to be there, so no home office or anything like that? Because then now would be a good time for such a therapy. Otherwise you can continue as you are doing now and set yourself the goal to try it one last time without therapy, just with the regular talks. In case of another relapse, however, you should really take this step
In any case I wish you all the best that you will make it!
And register again in another forum, there are also forums specifically on the subject of gambling addiction....

Hi SunSun13,


Thank you very much for your answer.

Yes, I see it, as can be seen from my previous responses to it, absolutely exactly the same!

Yes I am sure that sooner or later the time would have come in the controlled gaming that I have air again and then go crazy again times and completely gamble beyond my means and again suffer a loss of control.

So my job is the least problem, or rather it is not, I'm pretty sure my boss would understand that absolutely and nothing of the sort to pass on or condemn, whereby the reputation, of course, would be damaged in the first moment, but what is absolutely normal, I suppose. But ultimately it would be a sign of strength, in the long run.

My therapist says that I'm just looking for excuses, or rather my addiction is doing that internally, but my arguments are as follows,

1) My fear is that through the therapy and the associated absence, whether at work or in the circle of friends very many questions arise, and I'm really really afraid that my past, currently of course also present in the form of my excessive Gambling addiction comes to light, and I am for many people "scum". Unfortunately, even in this day and age, many people see this and have no idea that it is a disease

2) I'm just trying to reacquire hobbies that completely detach me from the idea of gambling, and also in the work to come further forward

3) Due to my excessive gaming, I have neglected many friends or have not done much with them, this I am trying to improve lately again or try to reconnect.


Of course it could be true what the therapist says, that all this is just an excuse to "escape" the therapy, but it is not like that, at least I think so.

Of course, I also see the advantages of the therapy, that I can finally exchange with many like-minded people, and learn a lot about the addiction, for this I have ordered a book on gambling addiction, with personal stories, maybe it will help me to discover new views that I have previously suppressed.

In any case, I just realize how much my writing in this forum helps me, I'm just writing everything somehow from the soul los...

All in all, of course I stand by my gambling addiction and do not deny it, but is it so problematic to want to keep it hidden from the public? How do you see that?


Sincerely

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Goeki72
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Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

19th Jan. 2021, at 10:45 pm CET#25
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Oldschool1995 wrote on 19/01/2021 at 21:46

Hi Goeki72,


Thank you very much for your reply

Find I now personally awesome that you see that so that it would not Zielführend.

I mean, just after so long playing time I am for the first time in the hands of an expert, who in my opinion has brought good arguments to my addiction, and probably has a lot of experience on this issue.

What exactly you mean by the solution of going full blast like on Jesus film, I honestly can't understand. Maybe you can explain it to me in more detail

To the solution with the partner, I do not think it would make sense to look for a partner only because she is very dominant, but I can of course also be wrong, that's just my opinion

So to speak, I live for a good month quite normal without playing, and I feel no urge to look for me a way to play, because opportunities, so it has shown the past - there is ALWAYS, if you specifically looking for it, BUT, no I do not want that anymore.

I also find it amazing that so many advise that I should live with my addiction and just control it and try low stakes/limits that don't hurt me financially.

But I think to myself, apart from the financial damage that this would entail, even if it would be "only" 100€ a month (compared to the previously mentioned losses) it is exactly what makes a cure impossible

I want to get on the path to never gambling again, and to gain complete control over it, if I had the financial means/freedoms to do so again, you know what I mean?


MfG

Sure my approach is awesome and maybe even disturbing. I am anything but proud I have been playing for 30 years with a long hiatus.

Unfortunately the world is not pink and I tried to give you a pragmatic hint


I am basically skeptical about therapies...
Self-help groups are OK, but a therapy that you often only accept when you have no other way out is just not effective.

I assess the situation differently when someone does therapy before he/she has gambled everything away.

Many give you the Tip to control the addiction from their own experience.

Log off here from this forum is also not purposeful.

P.S Jesus Trip is so fanatically fixated on a religion that then playing sin is ol.

Stay stable and good luck.



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Anonym

Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

20th Jan. 2021, at 06:07 pm CET#26
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Goeki72 wrote on 19/01/2021 at 22:45
Sure my approach is awesome and maybe even disturbing. I am anything but proud I have been playing for 30 years with a long break.

Unfortunately the world is not pink and I tried to give you a pragmatic hint


I am basically skeptical about therapies...
Self-help groups are OK, but a therapy that you often only accept when you have no other way out is just not effective.

I assess the situation differently when someone does therapy before he/she has gambled everything away.

Many give you the Tip to control the addiction from their own experience.

Log off here from this forum is also not purposeful.

P.S Jesus Trip is so fanatically fixated on a religion that then play sin is ol.

Stay stable and good luck.




Hello,


Thank you for replying again and for your certainly well-intentioned advice.

The fact that you have been gambling for 30 years changes the perspective extremely, of course, since you have been able to gather a lot of experience about Gambling addiction in this very long time.

I do not think that I have no other way out, I could also simply say no with just my reasoning that I have already written down here in previous posts. I just wanted to hear the different opinions and views of also affected

And your tip to log off from the forum I reject ersteinmal, because I do not feel any pressure to play again, or it just interests me completely zero, is perhaps also because I have seen everything here already X times.

I'm not interested in winning pictures, videos or bonus offers from any casinos, the only reason I'm here is the gambling addiction corner, and the countless therads with stories and experiences, especially naütrlich my own.

Also, I think there are many different types of gamblers that you can really say should control their addiction, but honestly, I think that works for the least. SOMETIMES there is always a really shitty day where you overdo it to the extreme, and the next morning it's all clear in your head again. I'm probably not one of those guys who can control it.


Sincerely

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Anonym

Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

20th Mar. 2021, at 04:29 pm CET#27
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Update:

It's been 2 months since my last forum post, so now here's an update.

One thing first, I ultimately decided AGAINST inpatient treatment,
however, I am still in contact with my "addiction counselor a. expert" and have regular 2-weekly meetings.

I still have my addiction firmly under control, I feel no pressure to start gambling again.

I have been "clean" for a good 3.5 months now, and feel happiness again every day, as I now see my life as a different one.

In addition, and I can recommend this to everyone, I have read 2 books so far, you can often recognize yourself in these Gambling addiction books, and learn new things.

I can really only recommend it to anyone who has developed an addiction with gambling, take all possible steps immediately so that you can stop, there are really numerous possibilities!


If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

MfG

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wettibernd
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Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

20th Mar. 2021, at 09:10 pm CET#28
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Hello, I have not interfered until now. Just for your information, I've been gaming for almost 40 years and in that time I haven't met a single person who has made a happy life out of gaming

Hats off to your family, I think that is also the only thing that keeps you in "normal" life. Respect your father, love your mother and respect every person in the world who has done you no harm

If you have the feeling that you need more professional help then inform yourself, if you want to go to therapy then your boss is obliged to pay the first 6 weeks of wages anyway, all other costs are covered by the pension insurance. If you have a good personal relationship with your employer then it can be compensated with vacation and overtime. It always depends, I work for one of the biggest companies in Europe, so I wouldn't care

Please just stop gambling, do something honest with your life ------ and that's it. It simply brings nothing ... only at some point it is too late and you get further and further in and the money comes faster and goes even much faster

Think about my words what you want, I wish you in any case the best of life and good luck (but not at the game)

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gamble1
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Gambling addiction - relapse - and now the therapy ?

21st Mar. 2021, at 10:45 am CET#29
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Oldschool1995 wrote on 19/01/2021 at 02:47: Hello zsm,

Thanks in advance to those who take the time to read my post,

and help me in the form of advice.

About my person,

I, a normal (gambling addict) young man, who is 25 years old and has completed school - training,
and has had a permanent job for almost 8 years, since I was taken on there after my training.
It is quasi everything very well with me, just to perfect ... if there would not be the gambling addiction...


My problem is the following, I am highly addicted to gambling, and now write here for the first time in such a forum a contribution

I play since I am 17 years old, at the beginning in normal gambling houses, with initially small stakes 10-20 cents,
also always with a friend... at first it was all fun and it kept within limits.

There would be so much to write here what I happened in the last 8 years, but I think that would go far beyond the scope,
so I'll try to be as brief as possible.

So as you know, I gamble since my 17th year of life almost every month my salary, but afford me during this time but also other things, such as cigarettes, and go every weekend to party, for which my money was always enough. That was because I earned and earn relatively well, and I do not have to pay rent, because I live with my parents.

This all went reasonably well, until I was then trained and then earned very good money (initially just under 2k, and at some point Stand now about 3500€.

And the more I earned, the more uncontrolled my gambling became, then I was 20 years old,

i then began to play in online casino, with soccer betting, online Poker etc.. and bang at once I also took my first loan!

The loan was then relatively quickly gambled away and more followed... at some point the whole thing blew up, because of course I could no longer lift the rates at some point and the reminders piled up at home, (not because I earned too little money to repay, but because I have gambled away every month anew my salary).

At some point I involved my parents, and they paid back the loans for me. (Total 30 thousand in about).

then followed a few gambling-free months, then it went on again with the gambling!

Now I skip a few more years, because it contains the usual procedure of a gambling addict, everything gambled away - again loans taken - family stolen, easily criminal with eg things sell on Ebay you do not own, (Quasi loan money) as soon as I had money again or the salary came I have then immediately paid back the money (was the intention from the beginning if I do not win with the (faked money) so the whole thing went well for a relatively long time.

Then with 24 years the first waking up, I was finished with my life, the work has never suffered from it, but otherwise I spent most of the time locked up in my room,
at some point my brother noticed that too. I now talked completely openly about everything for the first time in my life (gambling addiction - what all happened, and of course the loans..

I lied to everyone for so long, and delayed (credit installments) until nothing more went... my 3-4 next monthly salaries were virtually used up for a very long time, although I did not have them yet... , I was then helped again, in total just under 100k, which my family has served. A small remaining sum of about 20k was left open to me, which was also very good, and so I agreed from Fort an every month a thousand euros from my salary immediately after Lohnhalt to pay off, my brother has the whole then controlled with me, in the form of account statements... unfortunately, my addiction did not last long and I was looking for ways to circumvent how I can in the form of cash withdrawals over weeks, to drive then again with a large sum (1-2k) in casino...etc.

The whole thing went well now again 1 year, and I stood again before almost 10k Debt that had to be repaid immediately.

The relapse was perfect, I had thrown away a renewed paid new start ... or gambled.

I do not play now for 1 months, I can no longer access the salary, the control was handed over to the family.

I'm doing very well with it, I have no real desire to go somewhere to play, but maybe it's also because I have no money or only the most necessary daily provided for cigarettes and food at work, gas, etc..

I am now for the first time in my life in consultation with a Gambling addiction expert, who advises me very strongly to make an inpatient treatment because of my history, duration for this would be about 4 months. My employer is very accommodating and I also have a good position in the company, here and also within the family everyone is behind me without exception, I am sure. I am not completely averse to this inpatient treatment, BUT,

I know that I need help and indeed professional help, because I am very addicted to gambling, BUT, I do not want anyone to know about it, and 4 months is a very long time where you are not at home, and can do nothing with friends or in the work just completely missing!

I just don't want anyone outside my family to know that I'm a gambling addict (the topic is pretty low in society), I just want to be seen as a normal young man, and not as a gambling addict, you think I already know what I mean...

I have no problem to say openly within the family that I am a gambling addict, even my therapist knows all this about me.

My life story is of course very skipped, I tried to make it as short as possible,
if something is unclear, please ask me about it.

So to come to my question, do you think it is indispensable to do an inpatient treatment because of my life story?

I would prefer something like talking to the therapist twice a week to keep my life normal (friends, work, hobbies)
But what is your opinion? Does that still bring something in my situation? Or does only the drastic way about the stationary help?

I want to stop gambling in any case, but I also know how quickly one falls off the wagon.... do you have any experience with this?

Or can you give me tips that will help me to stand my addiction?


I am very grateful for any answer and for any advice!

MfG!



Hello Oldschool1995

Thanks first of all for your detailed contribution

What you should say at the beginning is that gambling addiction is a disease that affects your life step by step and then at some point takes over when the process is complete you are usually at a point that you can no longer change so easily there would be on the one hand the debt that no one can pay more and on the other hand the psychological aspect that you can no longer change so easily

I see in your text you are not yet at the worst point but that must be said quite directly you are on a very very good way there actually I would almost say you are at a point comparable to 100 Km / h on a direct path to a tree and you have little time to change everything until it really goes in the pants

I don't want to put you down or anything like that, I just want to express directly what the consequences are

You are lucky to have a family that helps you to pay the sums in this amount is not self-evident and for that you can be really grateful but also their trust and patience will end at some point and that is a situation that you certainly do not want to experience if I read this out correctly

You are like a different person when the addiction is active but you still can't excuse everything you do with the addiction

Which form of treatment helps you best you have to find out for yourself there is no point in forcing an inpatient therapy on someone if he does not want it at all there have been all gambling addicts who have stopped from one day to the next others have needed longer there is everyone different

I wish you all the best you can do it, believe in yourself and I would also advise you to look for another forum here you are too strong in the pro-gaming region

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