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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?
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But you can still be happy because you know at that moment that the slot could have calculated a bigwin in advance.
I also think that at the beginning of online slots, real virtual reels may have been programmed for very simple fruit slots, etc. Or games where the free spins simply counted x 3 and nothing more.
This may still be the basis of the calculation for some providers, I don't know.
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Well, anyway. There was once a book about Gambling addiction with the question in the title: "Are you gambling or are you being gambled?"
I want to play the machine! I don't want the machine to play WITH ME.
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Okay, then play something else... 😄
Online slots are perfected at taking money out of people's pockets, with the help of psychologists who work on the sound, design, gameplay and everything else... And those who haven't yet internalized this, because they are just starting out and trying to find patterns or think they have found some, get the impression when things go well that they have done particularly well or that it's down to their choice of slot or something else and they have an influence on it. And if it doesn't work out, it's just bad luck or cheating.
I do believe that there are good and bad phases and that you can minimize your losses with the necessary discipline.
But that's where the influence ends and in my eyes it has nothing to do with the fun of the game anyway.
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Sure it is. Check out my replay (Pragmatic Replay (pragmaticplay.net)) from my first post (https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/wie-lauft-der-november-2021-253921/6/#p255846). Up to the 8th spin (i.e. more than half of the bonus, as a bonus usually has 15 spins) I only got small winnings. Then in the 8th spin an extension and up to the 14th spin (of 20) I only had just under 120x. The remaining 6 spins then gave me the most wins. At the beginning it just looked like crap and in the end a 700x+ bonus. Coincidence? No, as soon as I clicked on "Yes" (it was a purchased one), the total winnings of 2,131.05 were already certain. Not as a monetary amount, but as an x-multiplier.
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Yes, it's clear that the win from the free spins has already been determined. And if it is the case with many slots that 10 dead spins are added during the free games, then this is simply really bad programming, which disturbs the fun of the game. The developers were simply too lazy to program a better gaming experience.
This is particularly annoying in slots where you have to collect things. For example, the stupid Big Bass games where you still have 20 spins left and you should be happy because the fisherman is sure to come back a few more times, but then you just run down 19 dead spins.
Pragmatic Play in particular has a lot of really badly programmed slots, they just throw out one slot after the other and are simply lazy in their development.
In the same way, all the features in the Big Bass games have almost no influence on the result and this is also just completely badly programmed. If you are going to include these features, then they should also correlate with the win.
I still remember the slot Pizza, Pizza, Pizza very well when I got 5 scatters. So I started with 20 spins and in the first four spins I had already reached the second level, i.e. a pizza trolley in every spin, plus 10 more free spins. And believe it or not, 26 of the remaining 26 free spins were dead spins. This just makes you feel like a complete fool, who programs a slot so stupidly? Then it should just give you 3 Scatters and distribute the win in the 10 free spins so that the same amount comes out at the end. But not like this.
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And who says that ALL providers work with the same methodology? I know from a documentary about Las Vegas, for example, that with these pick & win selection things, it varies from state to state whether the wins are allowed to be pre-programmed or not.
So, a few weeks ago, I won around EUR 90 on a Big Bass game with a 10-cent bet. Or what do you think?
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I agree with you there. Pragmatic has the worst slots. It's not just the programming that's bad, they simply copy games that have already been released and put a different theme on them. How many Big Bass Bonanzas are there? Well, there are 2 or so, they are a little different (EXTREME, Keepin it Reel ) that's it. There's the Haloween version, the Xmas version, the Megaways version, Hold & Spinner version, then the version with the cocktails, the normal Big Bass, Big Bass Splash and a few others. The basic idea remains the same: the fishermen have to come in the bonus. The same with Gates, Gates 1000 still makes a bit of sense, it's just more extreme, but then there's Starlight and probably others that are the same in principle. It's just slot spamming. The main thing is that it's "new" and people play it because it's new.
The pizza slot was ugly. I never played it. I thought Gems Bonanza was quite cool, it was just something new from them, I don't think there was a game under Pragmatic that resembled Gems for a while.
But I think it's more balanced with them. In my opinion, they're not as extreme as No Limits or Hacksaw. Look at how awesome Dead or Wild is. I would never Risk a 1k bonus buy. I've already done that with Gates or Gems Bonanza.
They are. Otherwise the system we explained to you wouldn't work. There is simply no such thing as chance. In the lottery, you have chance. In Bingo, you have chance. With the bonus, you definitely don't have chance. I'm not the only one who wants to explain to you that this is how slots work. Falke writes that it's true, Stromberg writes it too and a few others have also written it in the other thread.
Do you mean Lock & Win? That's an internal jackpot. An additional game in the slot itself that costs nothing. However, you're less likely to have such small wins (i.e. 0.5x-5x the bet, e.g. 3x 10 in a row or similar wins). We are talking about the slot game here. So if you play Magic Mirror II, for example, there is no such thing in the actual game.
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If you mean those "bonus games with 3 re-spins that respin when something comes up" things, no. I'm talking about those "pick a treasure chest until the death symbol comes up" Bonuses, or the "pick one of three treasure chests and you win what's inside" bonuses.
I think that's what the "slope expert" was referring to in the documentary I quoted.
I'm not denying that some slots work like this. Does that mean it has to be like this everywhere? Let's take Book of Ra, for example: I can well imagine that the game system of this slot doesn't need any pre-programming because the mathematics of the game alone are sufficient to produce the corresponding results.
The situation may be different for the more "complicated" slots, but I don't know. Both approaches may make sense, depending on the game and the type of game.
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I described what I mean in great detail in my post. But what your win of 90 € has to do with my post, I haven't understood yet.
No, even in Book of Ra the game can be canceled in the free spins and can then be restored. And why can they be restored? Because the result of the free spins is already known.
But that doesn't really matter, I think you just misunderstand. The free spins win is still random, it's just displayed differently to regular spins. You just have to look at a free spins round as a single spin, then it becomes clearer.
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As for the "canceled" bonus rounds: Maybe the previous score is simply saved and then "restored as a backup"?
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no, I meant, for example, slots where you have to have 5 coins in a spin to get this coin feature. You have 3 spins and when a coin lands, it resets again. But I suspect the principle remains the same. The way you describe it, these are simple jackpots. That is already fixed. I don't know of any slot where there is a bonus like the one you describe.
Book of Ra is in itself a similar slot to Gates. The only difference is that it has reels and rows. With Gates, you have a maximum number of symbols per spin and it pays if you have the same symbol 8 times. BoR pays if you get a symbol at least 2 or 3 times in one of the 5 rows. These are the rules of the game for the visuals, but internally it works like Gates. The spin button is pressed and it is already clear what will happen. That's why it's also nonsense when some players think that they can "stop" the books with the spin button.
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However, Gates has multis that add up within the FS. Book of Ra, on the other hand, has a special symbol in the FS, "normal" spins (at least that's how it looks) with a "special payout", and the option to retrigger. And that's about it.
A much simpler system than Gates. What's more, symbols with a high "special payout" appear much less frequently than the dirty rest.
Again: I don't deny that the FS win is already diced at the time of triggering. I just can't see any evidence of this anywhere.
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But it's like this. If the free spins round was canceled and could not be restored, then you would ask the game Provider how much the win from the free spins round was. And they can only know this because the result is already known as soon as you receive the free spins.
And where is Gates more demanding than Book of Ra? That's like comparing two Game Boy games. Especially in this day and age, it takes minimal effort to develop a slot like this, at least as far as the graphics and the multis or whatever are concerned.
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