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Slot Games in general: Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence? (Page 4)

Topic created on 02nd Nov. 2023 | Page: 4 of 6 | Answers: 79 | Views: 4,614
Falke
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

16th Feb. 2024, at 02:14 am CET#46
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frapi07 wrote on 02/16/2024 01:55:
Maybe I expressed myself a bit wrong on the 2nd point. Volatility has nothing to do with my point. Volatility has to do with the amount of total profit. But I'm not talking about the amount. I meant the way the Bonuses work.

If you buy a super bonus of €500 at Pirots, for example, you usually have 5 spins. As a rule, one of these spins pays out a large part of your total winnings. You can then throw the other spins in the garbage can. This would not change the volatility because the total win would remain the same.

With gates, you often have bonuses that play many dead spins. As a rule, 7 out of 15 free spins are for the cat. In return, the remaining spins pay medium to good.

There are of course also bonuses at Pragmatic where only one spin pays back 30% of the bet and the rest of the spins are for the ton, but the frequency of this script is much higher at ELK. If you have the opportunity to test the bonuses there, then do so and you will understand what I mean.

ELK could also program it like Pragmatic and spread it over 3-4 spins instead of just one, but you'll rarely get a bonus where that happens. Most of the time it works like I explained: 1 spin pays and the rest either pays nothing or only peanuts. Nothing would change in terms of volatility because the total winnings would remain the same. Only the way in which the win is achieved would change.

I know what you mean and I know the ELK slots. You have the same thing with the No Limit City slots, where you usually get almost the entire win in one spin.


But I still don't understand what you're getting at? Yes, the manufacturers show you the free spins win differently. Sure, every manufacturer tries to show you the win with the best possible images. But what difference does that make? I really don't understand what you're getting at.

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frapi07
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

16th Feb. 2024, at 02:55 am CET#47
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Falke wrote on 16.02.2024 at 02:14:

I know what you mean and I know the ELK slots. You have the same thing with the No Limit City slots, where you usually get almost the whole win in one spin.


But I still don't understand what you're getting at? Yes, the manufacturers show you the free spins win differently. Sure, every manufacturer tries to show you the win with the best possible images. But what difference does that make? I really don't understand what you're getting at.

The "formula" for the sequence of free spins rounds is also one of the things they want to protect against piracy. Not because it's a USP, but because a lot has gone into its development. Sure, you can certainly copy it, but they won't publish or disclose it voluntarily. I mean, I think it's really exaggerated that Merkur only has 2-3 people in this production facility who are able to program the game packages.

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Falke
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

16th Feb. 2024, at 03:32 am CET#48
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frapi07 wrote on 02/16/2024 02:55 PM:
The "formula" for the sequence of free play rounds is also one of the things they want to protect from piracy. Not because it's a USP, but because a lot has gone into its development. Sure, you can certainly copy it, but they won't publish or disclose it voluntarily. I mean, I think it's really exaggerated that Merkur only has 2-3 people in this production facility who are able to program the game packages.


Yes, of course, that's the psychological component. How do you have to show the player the win so that they become as addicted as possible? But we're talking here about how a slot works in general, and there's no difference between the slots. The basic principle is always the same.

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R3hab
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

16th Feb. 2024, at 10:37 am CET#49
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It was best implemented at StarGames
There are the virtual rooms with the machines.

I think it's like that everywhere, a slot is a program whose task is to display graphics and sound and to get information from the database, where all the data from all the provider's slots is stored
What decides whether your spin wins 10c or 100€?

It should be clear to everyone that free spins are no coincidence. It's all like playing music ^^ every FS win is already determined beforehand

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MisterL
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

17th Feb. 2024, at 07:42 pm CET#50
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i still think that the wins that come from your personal RTP. (ip address or for those who still use the cheap version :, account data (vpn not allowed).

and can therefore be influenced, e.g. change the sound on and off TAB and thus delay the result for a few seconds

and if the result is above your personal RTP, there is simply nothing more until you slip into the negative again

RTP calculation; 1000 times 1euro spins rtp 97 %= 970 euro is the rtp + - zero so for 1000 times spins on 1euro you have to pay 30euro

the only ones who gamble are the casinos among themselves because everything runs via a server and where the player can balance his RTP again, the respective casino is the loser and starts to harass the players

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rebirth75
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 05:45 pm CEST#51
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The scam starts when you don't even have the chance to win free spins because they are completely blocked on that day. You can do whatever you want. Where is the chance here? Completely manipulated software that makes the casinos millions of euros every day. Therefore welcome in every casino. The player has 0 chance if you catch a day where the freespins are blocked. Especially the feature where you have more chances on the Scatters is funny. No free spins after 2000 spins with the feature. As soon as it is switched off, it brings a free spin on the 2001 spin! Hello ??? Is that still possible?

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MisterL
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 05:47 pm CEST#52
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where you're right, you're right

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Der_Puppenspieler
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 06:37 pm CEST#53
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frapi07 wrote on 14.02.2024 at 20:00:
Of course it is. Have a look at my replay (Pragmatic Replay (pragmaticplay.net)) from my first post (https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/wie-lauft-der-november-2021-253921/6/#p255846). Up to the 8th spin (i.e. more than half of the bonus, as a bonus usually has 15 spins) I only got small winnings. Then in the 8th spin an extension and up to the 14th spin (of 20) I only had just under 120x. The remaining 6 spins then gave me the most wins. At the beginning it just looked like crap and in the end a 700x+ bonus. Coincidence? No, as soon as I clicked on "Yes" (it was a purchased one), the total winnings of 2,131.05 were already certain. Not as a monetary amount, but as an x-multiplier.

How do you know that the
x Multiplier is fixed and not the amount of money? I never believe that.

For example, an acquaintance blew 12k on high bets in doa2. I play the game every day. Already had 19 wildlines.

I mainly only play the game doa2 on 18 cents bet and 1 day later after he had the 12k through and gave up, I got 4700 euros and the next day another 3800 euros and believe it or not on the third day 5 Scatters, all on 18 cents. And he only played 1.80 euros per spin. I would never have played these multis at 1.80 euros per spin because that would have made a huge difference to the payout. The rtp must be adhered to. And at 1.80 that would have been 47k and 38k.

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T0uchTheSky
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 06:40 pm CEST#54
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Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 18:37:

How do you know that the x Multiplier was fixed and not the amount of money?

If you win 1000 euros on a 2 euro bet or win 500x, does it make any difference at all?

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Der_Puppenspieler
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 06:57 pm CEST#55
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Yes, of course, if I get 500x on 20 cents, that's only 100 euros instead of 1000 euros or another example.

In the casino, someone turns 500 euros down to 2 euros. Adds another 60 euros. Nothing. I come with 10/10 bet same game and 200 Euro picture. And I've seen this happen several times.

Do you think these 1000x with me would have come to 2 euros bet with him too?

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frapi07
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 07:12 pm CEST#56
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Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 18:57: Yes, of course, if I get 500x on 20 cents, that's only 100 euros instead of 1000 euros or another example.

In the casino, someone turns 500 euros down to 2 euros. Adds another 60 euros. Nothing. I come with 10/10 bet same game and 200 Euro picture. And I've seen this happen several times.

Do you think these 1000x with me would have come to 2 euros bet with him too?

You're making a mistake. T0uch thinks that it doesn't matter whether the win is set as a Multiplier or in euros beforehand. The end result remains the same.

Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 18:37:
How do you know that the
x multiplier is fixed and not the amount of money? I never believe that.

For example, an acquaintance blew 12k on high bets in doa2. I play the game every day. Already had 19 wildlines.

I mainly only play the game doa2 on 18 cents bet and 1 day later after he had the 12k through and gave up, I got 4700 euros and the next day another 3800 euros and believe it or not on the third day 5 Scatters, all on 18 cents. And he only played 1.80 euros per spin. I would never have played these multis at 1.80 euros per spin because that would have made a huge difference to the payout. The rtp must be adhered to. And at 1.80 that would have been 47k and 38k.

I will be brief here. If you want to find out more, read up on the subject.

In itself, it's the same. Nothing changes (as T0uch tried to explain to you). The slots are programmed to calculate wins with a multiplier. One dead spin equals one 0x. A spin where you only win back your bet equals 1x. The series continues like this.

There is a reason why the providers always specify the max. win as a multiplier. Euro amounts can only be allocated to one bet size, whereby the multiplier can be applied to any bet size. Gates of Olympus has a max. win of 5000x and not 1000€ or so.


As for your example: read again what T0uch and I have written about it.

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frapi07
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 07:26 pm CEST#57
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Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 18:37:
How do you know that the
x Multiplier is fixed and not the amount of money? I never believe that.

An acquaintance, for example, spent 12k on high bets in doa2. I play the game every day. Already had 19 wildlines.

I mainly only play the game doa2 on 18 cents bet and 1 day later after he had the 12k through and gave up, I got 4700 euros and the next day another 3800 euros and believe it or not on the third day 5 Scatters, all on 18 cents. And he only played 1.80 euros per spin. I would never have played these multis at 1.80 euros per spin because that would have made a huge difference to the payout. The rtp must be adhered to. And at 1.80 that would have been 47k and 38k.



The guy has explained it well here, but doesn't address your question per se. In the comments, however, the guy was asked the same question and there was an answer.

Question:

Hi, great video @The Reel Story I have 2 questions first is
Q: If I get a bonus at a stake of 1$ and the bonus rewards me for 1000x if my stake was, for example, 2$ would the bonus have paid me 500x only so it could make the amount of 1000$ or it would have paid 1000x no meter what stake I was at that point in ..... does the stake matters when it comes to rewards?


Thank you

Answer:

Hi.

Q1: stake does not matter. It would have paid 1000x regardless.


The guy says that the bet doesn't matter - it would have paid 1000x. So it can be concluded from this that no amounts of money can be involved, as otherwise you could always adjust the multiplier accordingly.

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Der_Puppenspieler
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 07:59 pm CEST#58
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I can read what I want, but I still don't believe it.

Because there is an rtp. And it must be adhered to, no matter what bets or factors are programmed.

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frapi07
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 08:06 pm CEST#59
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Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 19:59: I can read what I want, but I still don't believe it.

Because there is an rtp. And that must be adhered to, no matter what bets or factors are programmed.

I have provided you with information and if this is not enough for you, then continue to believe in your theory. But I would be very grateful if you would not doubt the opinions of others.

There is no point in the discussion, so it makes sense to leave it at that.

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T0uchTheSky
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Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

6th Apr. 2024, at 08:31 pm CEST#60
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Der_Puppenspieler wrote on 06.04.2024 at 18:57: Yes, of course, if I get 500x on 20 cents, that's only 100 euros instead of 1000 euros or another example.

In the casino, someone turns 500 euros down to 2 euros. Adds another 60 euros. Nothing. I come with 10/10 bet same game and 200 Euro picture. And I've seen this happen several times.

Do you think these 1000x with me would have come to 2 euros bet with him?

Do you think the moment you hit 500x with 20 cents, for example, 500x win with a 2 euro bet would not have come? Think about it logically, what is 2 euros? That's peanuts for some people, some spin with 100 or even 1000 euros per spin.

If the amount of the bet played a major role, then all casinos would be broke and like all rich, haha ...

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