upola wrote on 16.12.2020 at 07:52: I don't think it's ok that people are immediately hionized as corona deniers just because they question the measures somewhat critically.
I can understand it, because many people portray Corona as non-existent or not so bad. The measures themselves are in my eyes but so bad that makes me sick.
First of all, the schools were open and the students had to force themselves into full buses, all close together classes. Afterwards the pupils are told to wear a mask permanently, only for drinking and eating in the break one may take off. In addition push airing and if it is too cold one is to clap one into the hands or to put on itself what warmer. That alone was questionable.
At the beginning the Lockdown came to Easter, to the retail trade break off there already valuable business. Some have not reopened since this lockdown, then it was allowed to continue with hygiene concepts. Then it became nevertheless again more and more, so one closed leisure activity and leisure facilities. People should not meet other people privately, maximum 2 households and best not even that. In addition one noticed that it slowed down the gradient. But that was not enough, now comes perfectly to Christmas the second hard lockdown. This time it should be even stricter than the last, pickup service is critically examined this time and not every state allows it. All goods ordered for customers can be returned. In the next few weeks, you can expect that many will close their stores, and forever.
The consequential damages are many unemployed, lonely people, increased suicide rate and above all that the retail now actually slowly comes to its end. At least in the current form, a conversion will not get all (the future is without cashiers, without long waits, ... the stores are much more to pick-up stations and event centers).
But that wasn't enough, the manufacturers of pyrotechnics are now also getting a good kick up the backside. From an exception to New Year's Eve became a complete ban on the sale of it. Reason "in order not to load the hospitals with injured persons additionally". The majority should already be produced, that will give tidy minus. I still doubt bankruptcies, but for small manufacturers quite possible.
And all the measures are in my eyes basically perfectly okay, if one had at least planned it well. But the decisions fall from one extreme to the other within a few days. The numbers are going up all the time, why didn't they just do a hard lockdown and why did they give the dealers hardly any time to react. There are tons of goods that now no longer go away and the suppliers refuse to take back their part because they also want to protect themselves. There are many existences and the vaccine which is already administered in different countries with success is still examined with us. It is called one will get it sometime December already still?
Alone this small arithmetic with 4... ehh no we loosen 5 persons of the same household may meet I find lachhaft. Also private events on participant X to limit never works. That's just not possible, either prohibit it completely or allow it under certain conditions (eg in the open, with hygiene concept, ...).
Kleinkariert wrote on 12/16/2020 at 08:19 AM
While I can understand it because many people portray Corona as non-existent or not that bad. But the measures themselves are so bad in my eyes that it makes me sick.
First the schools had opened and the students had to force themselves into full buses, all close together classes. Afterwards the pupils are told to wear a mask permanently, only for drinking and eating in the break one may take off. In addition push airing and if it is too cold one is to clap one into the hands or to put on itself what warmer. That alone was questionable.
At the beginning the Lockdown came to Easter, to the retail trade break off there already valuable business. Some have not reopened since this lockdown, then it was allowed to continue with hygiene concepts. Then it became nevertheless again more and more, so one closed leisure activity and leisure facilities. People should not meet other people privately, maximum 2 households and best not even that. In addition one noticed that it slowed down the gradient. But that was not enough, now comes perfectly to Christmas the second hard lockdown. This time it should be even stricter than the last, pickup service is critically examined this time and not every state allows it. All goods ordered for customers can be returned. In the next few weeks, you can expect that many will close their stores, and forever.
The consequential damages are many unemployed, lonely people, increased suicide rate and above all that the retail now actually slowly comes to its end. At least in the current form, a conversion will not get all (the future is without cashiers, without long waits, ... the stores are much more to pick-up stations and event centers).
But that wasn't enough, the manufacturers of pyrotechnics are now also getting a good kick up the backside. From an exception to New Year's Eve became a complete ban on the sale of it. Reason "in order not to load the hospitals with injured persons additionally". The majority should already be produced, that will give tidy minus. I still doubt bankruptcies, but for small manufacturers quite possible.
And all the measures are in my eyes basically perfectly okay, if one had at least planned it well. But the decisions fall from one extreme to the other within a few days. The numbers are going up all the time, why didn't they just do a hard lockdown and why do they give the dealers hardly any time to react. There are tons of goods that now no longer go away and the suppliers refuse to take back their part because they also want to protect themselves. There are many existences and the vaccine which is already administered in different countries with success is still examined with us. It is called one will get it sometime December already still?
Alone this small arithmetic with 4... ehh no we loosen 5 persons of the same household may meet I find lachhaft. Also private events on participant X to limit never works. That's just not possible, either prohibit it completely or allow it under certain conditions (eg in the open, with hygiene concept, ...).
I found the Lockrungen in the summer simply too much.Da was the government simply too careless.Das the second wave comes, who actually clear.Mir it seems, that the government has not counted on it that it is so bad.
And still we will have to learn to live with the virus, even if there are soon vaccinations.
Sometimes one has however nevertheless. the feeling, einges is pure actionism which the government makes.
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The government suspected it but seems to have wanted too much. They have spent a lot of money to absorb everything as extensively as possible.
Schools and kindergartens have open because simply said after the criticism of last time we send e.g. the kindergarten muttis an email in which is suggested if possible the, child at home allow
Ok? So I, should decide now whether it is good or bad to bring a child or children?
One thing I do not understand a nurse must also go to work with corona. I.e. he has to fight not only with the virus or the knowledge about it but knows that his disease can be fatal for his patients or residents
So corona sick go to work and bear their own responsibility dozens of people not to infect
For me, this is double standard
I think already in comparison to other countries that we still well got away with the virus. Of course, this should remain so
But the examples of care and other social institutions kindergartens and schools I find bad
Or the courses of action are not sufficiently justified to me
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Have you ever tried to explain to about 20 highly demented people that they may not leave their rooms from now on, because the health department prescribes that. That was once, a mess
Dude123 wrote on 16.12.2020 at 09:04 clock: Have you ever tried to explain to about 20 highly demented people that they may not leave their rooms from now on, because the health department that, prescribes. That was once, a chaos
My mother is Dement and in the retirement home, there they also have Corona.
We are not allowed to visit themI.But I have spoken with the staff, which is very difficult with my mother because she always leaves her room...they may not lock them but also.
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That's right, you can't lock them up. But be reassured most of them have become bedridden by themselves. irony off
So a nurse goes to work with corona because he has to and knows he has a disease that could kill others and explains to 20 demented residents that they better not leave their room and look for those they can not convince
It makes sense of course to get upset about the measures, but with all love, how could you have done better?
I think that it is completely normal that here too the policy is and was overwhelmed. Of course there were little things that could have been better. There were many who pointed to the 2 wave, just as there were opponents who claimed that we have survived it
No country has done anything right.
In the end, only we have it in our own hands to fix it for the good.
And those who have adhered to it, the soup from for the unreasonable, deniers or whatever you should call this pack
The prohibitions of the policy have not the reasonable to answer for.
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I can understand it, because many people portray Corona as non-existent or not so bad. The measures themselves are in my eyes but so bad that makes me sick.
First of all, the schools were open and the students had to force themselves into full buses, all close together classes. Afterwards the pupils are told to wear a mask permanently, only for drinking and eating in the break one may take off. In addition push airing and if it is too cold one is to clap one into the hands or to put on itself what warmer. That alone was questionable.
At the beginning the Lockdown came to Easter, to the retail trade break off there already valuable business. Some have not reopened since this lockdown, then it was allowed to continue with hygiene concepts. Then it became nevertheless again more and more, so one closed leisure activity and leisure facilities. People should not meet other people privately, maximum 2 households and best not even that. In addition one noticed that it slowed down the gradient. But that was not enough, now comes perfectly to Christmas the second hard lockdown. This time it should be even stricter than the last, pickup service is critically examined this time and not every state allows it. All goods ordered for customers can be returned. In the next few weeks, you can expect that many will close their stores, and forever.
The consequential damages are many unemployed, lonely people, increased suicide rate and above all that the retail now actually slowly comes to its end. At least in the current form, a conversion will not get all (the future is without cashiers, without long waits, ... the stores are much more to pick-up stations and event centers).
But that wasn't enough, the manufacturers of pyrotechnics are now also getting a good kick up the backside. From an exception to New Year's Eve became a complete ban on the sale of it. Reason "in order not to load the hospitals with injured persons additionally". The majority should already be produced, that will give tidy minus. I still doubt bankruptcies, but for small manufacturers quite possible.
And all the measures are in my eyes basically perfectly okay, if one had at least planned it well. But the decisions fall from one extreme to the other within a few days. The numbers are going up all the time, why didn't they just do a hard lockdown and why did they give the dealers hardly any time to react. There are tons of goods that now no longer go away and the suppliers refuse to take back their part because they also want to protect themselves. There are many existences and the vaccine which is already administered in different countries with success is still examined with us. It is called one will get it sometime December already still?
Alone this small arithmetic with 4... ehh no we loosen 5 persons of the same household may meet I find lachhaft. Also private events on participant X to limit never works. That's just not possible, either prohibit it completely or allow it under certain conditions (eg in the open, with hygiene concept, ...).
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I found the Lockrungen in the summer simply too much.Da was the government simply too careless.Das the second wave comes, who actually clear.Mir it seems, that the government has not counted on it that it is so bad.
And still we will have to learn to live with the virus, even if there are soon vaccinations.
Sometimes one has however nevertheless. the feeling, einges is pure actionism which the government makes.
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Schools and kindergartens have open because simply said after the criticism of last time we send e.g. the kindergarten muttis an email in which is suggested if possible the, child at home allow
Ok? So I, should decide now whether it is good or bad to bring a child or children?
One thing I do not understand a nurse must also go to work with corona. I.e. he has to fight not only with the virus or the knowledge about it but knows that his disease can be fatal for his patients or residents
So corona sick go to work and bear their own responsibility dozens of people not to infect
For me, this is double standard
I think already in comparison to other countries that we still well got away with the virus. Of course, this should remain so
But the examples of care and other social institutions kindergartens and schools I find bad
Or the courses of action are not sufficiently justified to me
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My mother is Dement and in the retirement home, there they also have Corona.
We are not allowed to visit themI.But I have spoken with the staff, which is very difficult with my mother because she always leaves her room...they may not lock them but also.
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So a nurse goes to work with corona because he has to and knows he has a disease that could kill others and explains to 20 demented residents that they better not leave their room and look for those they can not convince
I better stop the topic excites me too much
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I think that it is completely normal that here too the policy is and was overwhelmed. Of course there were little things that could have been better. There were many who pointed to the 2 wave, just as there were opponents who claimed that we have survived it
No country has done anything right.
In the end, only we have it in our own hands to fix it for the good.
And those who have adhered to it, the soup from for the unreasonable, deniers or whatever you should call this pack
The prohibitions of the policy have not the reasonable to answer for.
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