Blubbo33 wrote on 17.01.2022 at 19:08: He had a positive coronatest, that's the crucial thing and did not isolate himself but still gave nice interviews
That is stupid, ignorant and irresponsible
Just because he has coal he takes everything out as it suits him just .
His parents call him Jesus, what kind of sick family is that?
I have read what you have linked, even if it played no role in the trial, he still made false statements and that is punishable, which was no longer relevant, because he had to go anyway because of the minister
Other media you ignore because you do not want to hear the truth or can, just like the querdenker, and try to spread some crap here.
Oh man Blubbo.
Why am I not surprised that you of all people do not understand anything.
Who still has not understood it now that is really not to be helped. The lies and the contradictions just jump at you, but some do not want to leave their perfect world. Wouldn't be too bad if you didn't drag everyone else into the abyss with you
First: I think it's basically good that you stand up for your opinion, your values and co. However, some things I would like to clarify a little.
Regarding your statement about the shortening of the convalescent status to 3 months:
Fact is simply that both the 6-month status and the current 3-month status are based on 0.00% medical backrgound, because there are simply too few to no long-term studies on this. There are people who have little or no antibodies after a short period of time, whereas others have them over a longer period of time. So even a recovery status of 5 days should not be a complaint
Regarding your point about vaccine reactions and breakthroughs: I took the trouble to look at a report from the PEI
It is this one https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/newsroom/dossiers/sicherheitsberichte/sicherheitsbericht-27-12-bis-30-06-21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=3
In the first half of 2021, there were 74,871,502 vaccinations, with 106,835 reported cases of vaccine reactions and 10,578 cases of severe vaccine reactions. Unfortunately, it is a bit more difficult to get the numbers of adverse reactions to influenza vaccinations (if someone has something, please post a link), but they talk about about 10 to 25 percent of people having vaccine reactions, but severe reactions probably only occur 1 time in a million vaccinations
As a comparison: In the case of the flu vaccination, there are on average about 10,000,000 vaccination reactions in 74,871,502 vaccinations, but only 100 severe reactions. I estimate the number of unreported cases of influenza vaccinations to be higher, since in the last 1.5 years everything has been associated with Corona, but in the past not everything was associated with the flu vaccination
In fact, you are right that the Risk of a severe vaccination reaction is higher with Corona vaccinations than, for example, with the flu. But is it as high as you describe? For a vaccine that was produced on such short notice and on an emergency basis? And you're also forgetting the reward of that vaccination. The vaccinated people keep the regular business running. If everyone saw it the way you do, a "normal" life would probably be unthinkable. And I don't mean that much would have changed in your case. You seem to have survived Corona twice. Your neighbor, supermarket employee or kindergarten teacher, however, may not have. And you don't talk about the side effects after a Corona infection either. There are no meaningful studies on that either, which is why I don't want to philosophize, but we are not likely to see better numbers than vaccine breakthroughs in infected people in ten or 15 years.
PS: Habs once already in the sports betting thread written, but here is probably better.
It is also good that there is the vaccine. Grad with the pre-sick or Ü70 or so, who have a battered immune system, the vaccination can be okay and help.
Everyone has been offered a vaccination (or 3). Everyone is responsible for themselves. Everyone decides for themselves.
Exactly, there are no long-term studies. What right does POLITICS, not medicine then take to change that or impose measures in ignorance?
It is different for each person. With one the antibodies are gone after 2 weeks, with the other after 2 years.
With the measures of the government, or as Scholz says, the regime, the individuality and thus the seriousness is completely destroyed.
Take my example from Russia. There it also works. Not with us. Why?
Therefore my supplement: Who trusts the vaccine and the acting persons, super. Who does not, also well. That's how it should be.
The imposition of opinions and measures without sufficient knowledge about it is simply about power and money, not about health.
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 17.01.2022 at 19:58: Let's please move the topic from the sports betting section completely to the chat corner.
I wish you nothing but the best! Thanks for the post.
Nevertheless, if I were you, I would not claim that is no longer about people's health but about money&power
There is not enough evidence for this that both the mainstream and the general population recognize. This can lead to numerous speculations and furthermore you offer a large avoidable attack surface to your discussion partner.
Therefore, I would limit myself to the information of the RKI or PEI, as you have already done. There is sufficient information there that speaks against vaccination.
Stromberg wrote on 17.01.2022 at 20:19
Very generous😉
1 sentence from me on the subject:
I am in favor of vaccination, against a vaccination obligation and would also like to see that one can prove his "immunity" alternatively by an antibody test, zb every 3 to 6 months carried out.
It should be important that one is as immune as possible and not how that comes about.
I would be fully in favor of that. Just like in Russia.
Royal777 wrote on 17.01.2022 at 20:26
I wish you nothing but the best! Thanks for the contribution.
Still, if I were you, I wouldn't claim that is no longer about people's health but about money&power
There is not enough evidence for this that both the mainstream and the general population recognize. This can lead to numerous speculations and furthermore you offer your discussion partner a large avoidable attack surface.
Therefore, I would limit myself to the information of the RKI or PEI, as you have already done. There is sufficient information there that speaks against vaccination.
Yes, that's right. That was a pure expression of opinion as the whole topic seems to me.
You have to remember that the first statement of our policy was: "When everybody has been offered vaccination, the pandemic will be over.
Wutmaennchen wrote on 01/17/2022 at 8:30 pm
Yes true. That was purely an opinion piece we the whole topic seems to me.
After all, you have to remember that the first statement our politicians made was "Once everyone has been offered vaccines, the pandemic will be over.".
True! But as the virus has mutated and new knowledge has emerged as a result, a new picture has emerged
Without being able to prove it, but it is foreseeable where the road leads. The virus sticks better and better on surfaces, with a future mutation one will restrict the cash. Conspiracy theorists talk about the need for a chip. Spahn&Lauterbrach are talking about a vaccination certificate including a QR code.
This certificate will be necessary in the future
Thanks to the electric scrap from China in our shelves we have a mild inflation. With the food this is already with over 18%.
You can certainly imagine why inflation will soon gain massive momentum and who will be held responsible. Admittedly, that is all speculative but a topic with which one should deal.
Wutmaennchen wrote on 17.01.2022 at 20:26
Well, it's a good thing the vaccine is out there. Grad with the pre-sick or Ü70 or so who have a battered immune system, the vaccine can be fine and help.
Everyone has been offered a vaccination (or 3). Everyone is responsible for themselves. Everyone decides for themselves.
Exactly, there are no long-term studies. What right does POLITICS, not medicine then take to change that or impose measures in ignorance?
It is different for each person. With one the antibodies are gone after 2 weeks, with the other after 2 years.
With the measures of the government, or as Scholz says, the regime, the individuality and thus the seriousness is completely destroyed.
Take my example from Russia. There it also works. Not with us. Why?
Therefore my supplement: Who trusts the vaccine and the acting persons, super. Who does not, also well. That's how it should be.
The imposition of opinions and measures without sufficient knowledge about it is simply about power and money, not about health.
Unfortunately, politics has to make decisions and they are not always right, I'm with you.
I am interested in Russia. That is, in Russia anticorpertests are made increasingly and people with many antibodies may then do everything and people with little should be vaccinated or how does it work there?
Royal777 wrote on 17/01/2022 at 20:41
True! But as the virus has mutated and new knowledge has emerged as a result, a new picture has emerged
Without being able to prove it, but it is foreseeable where the path leads. The virus sticks better and better on surfaces, with a future mutation one will restrict the cash. Conspiracy theorists talk about the need for a chip. Spahn&Lauterbrach are talking about a vaccination certificate including a QR code.
This certificate will be necessary in the future
Thanks to the electric scrap from China in our shelves we have a mild inflation. With the food this is already with over 18%.
You can certainly imagine why inflation will soon gain massive momentum and who will be held responsible. Admittedly, that is all speculative but a topic with which one should deal.
As you wrote in your post above, one should leave out speculation because of attack surface and fixate on the facts.
The few facts we have on the subject.
Royal777 wrote on 17.01.2022 at 20:26
I wish you nothing but the best! Thanks for the contribution.
Still, if I were you, I would not claim that is no longer about people's health but about money&power
There is not enough evidence for this that both the mainstream and the general population recognize. This can lead to numerous speculations and furthermore you offer a large avoidable attack surface to your discussion partner.
Therefore, I would limit myself to the information of the RKI or PEI, as you have already done. There is sufficient information there that speaks against vaccination.
Anyone who has a rudimentary grasp of the subject can easily see that it is definitely not about health. That is clearly a fact.
For reasons of health:
- To undermine/strongly restrict basic rights, temporarily permanently.
- Discriminate against a part of the population and exclude it from social life.
- Establishment of a police state
- Leveraging out the rule of law
- complete arbitrariness regardless of the current state of research
-massive collateral damage caused by the measures (suicide attempts among children and young people increased by 500%)
- destroy the economy and thus automatically cause further adverse health effects.
- According to the UN millions more people, especially children, threatened with starvation caused by the measures. (in African countries)
And there it is supposed to be about health?
- With a test that is not suitable to detect an infection
- with manipulated data and numbers
- no increase in the health care system for two years
- Intensive care beds reduction of several thousand beds within the last 2 years. (Who makes such a thing please in a '' Pandemie? '')
- with a vaccination that does not protect against infection and transmission. (Omicron)
- With a vaccine that still has only a conditional approval
- The EMA president who is responsible for the vaccine approvals got her job in the middle of the pandemic and has worked for decades in an executive position in a pharmaceutical company.
- Introduction of a social credit system based on the Chinese model
The list could go on and on.
No, it is definitely not about health. And those responsible in politics and the media are not (only) incompetent. They know exactly what they are doing and they are doing it on purpose. The panic messages concerning Corona should only put the people in shock so that they can realize their fascist wet dreams.
And I don't feel like not telling the truth because of some whistles that haven't figured it out yet. And every time as gently as possible to try to explain to them why all this is no longer normal what happens and how important our basic and civil rights are. Who does not understand this himself and does not get a feeling of disturbance with all that happens is not a democratic liberal thinking person, but has in principle no problem with totalitarian systems, as long as you sell it to him only good enough
Xavi22 wrote on 17.01.2022 at 20:42
Unfortunately politics has to make decisions and they are not always right, I'm with you.
I'm interested in the one with Russia. That is, in Russia are increased anticorpertests made and people with many antibodies may then do everything and people with little should be vaccinated or how does it work there?
That's exactly how it is. You have either your QR code with which you prove your vaccination or your recovery status.
Only Sputnik is accepted as a vaccination. So if you are double or triple vaccinated with Biontech and enter Russia, you are still considered unvaccinated there.
But if you can prove your recovered status with antibodies, you are recovered. You have to renew it every 6 months to be considered as "2G" (but there is no such designation) or you have to be vaccinated so that you can enter everywhere.
In restaurants or pubs, however, as here, the status is also controlled.
That is for me a basis with which one can work. And if the young, healthy 30-year-old has enough antibodies for the next 2 years, that fits.
And if the pre-diseased over-70s don't have enough antibodies, they should get vaccinated.
But also only as a recommendation and not as a duty.
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Oh man Blubbo.
Why am I not surprised that you of all people do not understand anything.
Who still has not understood it now that is really not to be helped. The lies and the contradictions just jump at you, but some do not want to leave their perfect world. Wouldn't be too bad if you didn't drag everyone else into the abyss with you
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It is also good that there is the vaccine. Grad with the pre-sick or Ü70 or so, who have a battered immune system, the vaccination can be okay and help.
Everyone has been offered a vaccination (or 3). Everyone is responsible for themselves. Everyone decides for themselves.
Exactly, there are no long-term studies. What right does POLITICS, not medicine then take to change that or impose measures in ignorance?
It is different for each person. With one the antibodies are gone after 2 weeks, with the other after 2 years.
With the measures of the government, or as Scholz says, the regime, the individuality and thus the seriousness is completely destroyed.
Take my example from Russia. There it also works. Not with us. Why?
Therefore my supplement: Who trusts the vaccine and the acting persons, super. Who does not, also well. That's how it should be.
The imposition of opinions and measures without sufficient knowledge about it is simply about power and money, not about health.
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I wish you nothing but the best! Thanks for the post.
Nevertheless, if I were you, I would not claim that is no longer about people's health but about money&power
There is not enough evidence for this that both the mainstream and the general population recognize. This can lead to numerous speculations and furthermore you offer a large avoidable attack surface to your discussion partner.
Therefore, I would limit myself to the information of the RKI or PEI, as you have already done. There is sufficient information there that speaks against vaccination.
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I would be fully in favor of that. Just like in Russia.
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Yes, that's right. That was a pure expression of opinion as the whole topic seems to me.
You have to remember that the first statement of our policy was: "When everybody has been offered vaccination, the pandemic will be over.
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True! But as the virus has mutated and new knowledge has emerged as a result, a new picture has emerged
Without being able to prove it, but it is foreseeable where the road leads. The virus sticks better and better on surfaces, with a future mutation one will restrict the cash. Conspiracy theorists talk about the need for a chip. Spahn&Lauterbrach are talking about a vaccination certificate including a QR code.
This certificate will be necessary in the future
Thanks to the electric scrap from China in our shelves we have a mild inflation. With the food this is already with over 18%.
You can certainly imagine why inflation will soon gain massive momentum and who will be held responsible. Admittedly, that is all speculative but a topic with which one should deal.
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Unfortunately, politics has to make decisions and they are not always right, I'm with you.
I am interested in Russia. That is, in Russia anticorpertests are made increasingly and people with many antibodies may then do everything and people with little should be vaccinated or how does it work there?
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As you wrote in your post above, one should leave out speculation because of attack surface and fixate on the facts.
The few facts we have on the subject.
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Anyone who has a rudimentary grasp of the subject can easily see that it is definitely not about health. That is clearly a fact.
For reasons of health:
- To undermine/strongly restrict basic rights, temporarily permanently.
- Discriminate against a part of the population and exclude it from social life.
- Establishment of a police state
- Leveraging out the rule of law
- complete arbitrariness regardless of the current state of research
-massive collateral damage caused by the measures (suicide attempts among children and young people increased by 500%)
- destroy the economy and thus automatically cause further adverse health effects.
- According to the UN millions more people, especially children, threatened with starvation caused by the measures. (in African countries)
And there it is supposed to be about health?
- With a test that is not suitable to detect an infection
- with manipulated data and numbers
- no increase in the health care system for two years
- Intensive care beds reduction of several thousand beds within the last 2 years. (Who makes such a thing please in a '' Pandemie? '')
- with a vaccination that does not protect against infection and transmission. (Omicron)
- With a vaccine that still has only a conditional approval
- The EMA president who is responsible for the vaccine approvals got her job in the middle of the pandemic and has worked for decades in an executive position in a pharmaceutical company.
- Introduction of a social credit system based on the Chinese model
The list could go on and on.
No, it is definitely not about health. And those responsible in politics and the media are not (only) incompetent. They know exactly what they are doing and they are doing it on purpose. The panic messages concerning Corona should only put the people in shock so that they can realize their fascist wet dreams.
And I don't feel like not telling the truth because of some whistles that haven't figured it out yet. And every time as gently as possible to try to explain to them why all this is no longer normal what happens and how important our basic and civil rights are. Who does not understand this himself and does not get a feeling of disturbance with all that happens is not a democratic liberal thinking person, but has in principle no problem with totalitarian systems, as long as you sell it to him only good enough
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That's exactly how it is. You have either your QR code with which you prove your vaccination or your recovery status.
Only Sputnik is accepted as a vaccination. So if you are double or triple vaccinated with Biontech and enter Russia, you are still considered unvaccinated there.
But if you can prove your recovered status with antibodies, you are recovered. You have to renew it every 6 months to be considered as "2G" (but there is no such designation) or you have to be vaccinated so that you can enter everywhere.
In restaurants or pubs, however, as here, the status is also controlled.
That is for me a basis with which one can work. And if the young, healthy 30-year-old has enough antibodies for the next 2 years, that fits.
And if the pre-diseased over-70s don't have enough antibodies, they should get vaccinated.
But also only as a recommendation and not as a duty.
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