Have times out of interest there inquired not about those your form but only as e-mail
the answer came so fast that you could think they have no other customers
But when it came to the personal data I canceled the test
for me this looks really something suspicious everything as if one would want to address specifically people in an emergency situation
I do not understand how you can give your data apart from the fact that gambling debts are debts of honor, I find this site in about the same as to publish his bank statements does not anyone
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SimonHell wrote on 05/06/2019 03:08 PM
What does it look like? It is now after Easter after all, what has happened with your "colleague"?
The prosecutor's office is investigating. More I can not and will not say.
Caution, absolutely unserious, money is reversed after months by the bank with massive obstacles. Then one is promised it comes a waiver from PayPal - this never comes, on the contrary. Paypal demands sum + clearly higher costs over Infoscore and then by court. If one pays now the calculation/commissions of Wirholendeingeld, the money is also still away and one clearly more debts/losses than before since one must pay the sum of Paypal and on top of that the 35% commission of Wirholendeingeld - which are not entitled to the company at all since Paypal never waives the money. A matter for consumer protection
i have been reading through all the comments and am now very confused
I see that as with many other topics, people are biased and form their judgments/impressions based on the website home page. I would recommend anyone thinking of taking legal action to get their money back to read the following summary
To Wirholendeingeld.de
The site advertises 0 € costs in case they lose the case. But claims 35% + 6.65% tax
With the calculator integrated on the side you can calculate your portion depending upon demand sum. A comparison to the lawyer's fees is set, which includes the Risk that you are left sitting on the lawyer's fees. One advertises thus actually with "WE WILL WIN SO OR SO" How I come on this resolution? What law firm would take a case knowing that they 1. can't win the case and 2. will be stuck with the legal fees. That would be a losing proposition. That's why, in the gambling issue, law firms rely on the plaintiff's deductible, even if the law firm is on a professional level in the matter. In addition it comes that Wirholendeingeld.de with up to 3 years retroactively claims money back. There can come together with many naturally a considerable sum.
1. What is the legal basis?
I have researched that the legal basis is still very vague as far as Online Casinos are concerned. One jurisdiction states: " IT IS PROHIBITED BY GERMAN LAW FOR BANKS, PAYMENT SERVICE PROVIDERS (e.g. PAYPAL) AND CREDIT CARD ENTERPRISES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FINANCIAL PROCESSING OF UNLAWFUL TRANSACTIONS"
In fact, online gambling is illegal in Germany, as only providers from Schleswig-Holstein are permitted. This is stipulated in the so-called State Treaty on Gambling. Also included in this is the statement that payments in connection with illegal gambling are prohibited. The gambling operators refer to EU law, which is above national law and does not prohibit online gambling
2. Get money back possible?
Generally, if you have paid with PayPal, you can get your money back. Legally, there is nothing in the way
3. What are the consequences for me?
With a gambling operator from Schleswig-Holstein you must expect that they want to have the money back. This means for you to ignore 3 reminders = bailiff at the door, because the Provider refers to German law. The situation is different with EU providers. These can in the case of a refund of your money little proceed against you. What you can expect 100% is that the bank or Paypal closes your account. Also an entry ban of the country concerned would not be excluded. First of all not so wild. You may keep the money in any case. You can also expect a higher scoring of the bank quasi as retaliation. So if you don't plan to take a loan soon, you don't need to worry about non-German providers. According to §285 of the penal code, participation in gambling is punishable, but is nevertheless tolerated due to the vague legal situation. Such a lawsuit will only work once.
4. My personal experience
I have gambled away approx. 20,000 € in the past just under 2 years. For some time I have sworn off gambling. Even though I am now at peace with myself, it hurts to think of the numbers that would be better invested in millions of other things. I only came across Wirholendeingeld.de through a random advertisement. I found the whole thing so interesting that I researched everything from experiences at Trusty to the laws. I had wondered anyway why Paypal had been removed as a payment method. Strangely enough, there were still a few providers who offered Paypal and they were of course based in Schleswig-Holstein. If you put 1 and 2 together, you don't need to be a Sherlock to calculate realistic chances. In any case, I will take this route. I mean approx. 11.000,00 € have or not have ?! For me only the question arises, lawyer of my confidence and/or one which knows itself with it or nevertheless Wirholendeingeld.de?
When I have clarified this question and hopefully won the case I will write a second comment and hopefully encourage you to try it too.
5. conclusion
Unfortunately there is hardly anyone here from the comments who has tried Wirholendeingeld.de. On sides like Trusty it could concern genuine however evenly also around Fake evaluations.
However, the gambling laws are a fact. According to them, it is not unlikely, in fact very likely to get your money back. Certain consequences, such as the blocking of bank/Paypal - accounts is to be accepted. The current unresolved legal situation still makes it possible to get your money back. From the moment the verdict "Online Casinos = Prohibited/Banned" is pronounced, it is too late for every cent. Even if up to half of the retrieved money goes to Wirholendeingeld.de it is actually already long lost money. And to have it suddenly back in your wallet will certainly not be unpleasant for one or the other.
Hope I could give the little informed people an insight
The best thing is for everyone to inform themselves, maybe you will get other sources with which other opinions can be formed
But don't encourage and discourage people based on assumptions. Because as we all know "knowledge is power" and in this case also "MONEY"
I know a few cases where people have booked back from PayPal, have then received a letter from a lawyer or a Debt collector. This contradicted in writing and never heard anything more about it. However, I do not know anyone who has managed to get back the money of the last years via "we-get-your-money-back" or private lawyer. The Casions are located in Malta, so there is nothing anyway, then that would have to be recovered from the payment service providers such as Klarna, Adyen or Trustly, but these are also located abroad and will hardly bend to German law. Lastly, the credit card company, if that comes from Germany then there is perhaps a chance but mine sits in Luxembourg, so they will not follow a German judgement but invoke European law. Remains still the house bank, with me that would be the savings bank and I hardly believe that they put up with it, they will go with your legal department so often in appeal or revision until they end up in front of the European Court of Justice and there they will get right
If someone knows something else, please write here.
wettibernd wrote on 14.05.2019 at 12:10 pm: I know of a few cases where people have booked back from PayPal, have then received a letter from a lawyer or a Debt collector. This contradicted in writing and never heard anything more of it. However, I do not know anyone who has managed to get back the money of the last years via "we-get-your-money-back" or private lawyer. The Casions are located in Malta, so there is nothing anyway, then that would have to be recovered from the payment service providers such as Klarna, Adyen or Trustly, but these are also located abroad and will hardly bend to German law. Finally, the credit card company remains, if that comes from Germany then there is perhaps a chance but mine sits in Luxembourg, so they will not follow a German judgement but invoke European law. Still the house bank remains, with me that would be the savings bank and I hardly believe that they put up with it, they will go with your legal department so often in appeal or revision until they end up in front of the European Court of Justice and there they will get right
If someone knows something else, please write here.
But with private lawyer I know in the last year two people with whom it has worked (play by the way both again diligently further...). From Paypal then comes a rooted letter that they are not aware of any guilt and more or less out of goodwill waive the claims, because they are not in the liability to verify each payment and that these were just clearly authorized by the buyer.
BUT, I do not know if it now still works. After the positive ruling for credit card companies, other service providers could follow suit and thus the chargeback issue would generally (finally) be over. Over the last few years I know that a larger number of people have successfully enforced the chargeback and only the people who then had a very bad conscience (and a little fear) have paid in the end. This info I have mitunteranderem through a good friend who works as a lawyer such cases, if he knew that I played he would probably shit me here
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How is this going to become known? Do you think the cops will send a notice to the Bild newspaper or directly here to Gamblejoe?
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Tata, yes now it's here and they still don't believe it
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What does it look like? It is now after Easter after all, what has happened with your "colleague"?
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the answer came so fast that you could think they have no other customers
But when it came to the personal data I canceled the test
for me this looks really something suspicious everything as if one would want to address specifically people in an emergency situation
I do not understand how you can give your data apart from the fact that gambling debts are debts of honor, I find this site in about the same as to publish his bank statements does not anyone
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The prosecutor's office is investigating. More I can not and will not say.
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i have been reading through all the comments and am now very confused
I see that as with many other topics, people are biased and form their judgments/impressions based on the website home page. I would recommend anyone thinking of taking legal action to get their money back to read the following summary
To Wirholendeingeld.de
The site advertises 0 € costs in case they lose the case. But claims 35% + 6.65% tax
With the calculator integrated on the side you can calculate your portion depending upon demand sum. A comparison to the lawyer's fees is set, which includes the Risk that you are left sitting on the lawyer's fees. One advertises thus actually with "WE WILL WIN SO OR SO" How I come on this resolution? What law firm would take a case knowing that they 1. can't win the case and 2. will be stuck with the legal fees. That would be a losing proposition. That's why, in the gambling issue, law firms rely on the plaintiff's deductible, even if the law firm is on a professional level in the matter. In addition it comes that Wirholendeingeld.de with up to 3 years retroactively claims money back. There can come together with many naturally a considerable sum.
1. What is the legal basis?
I have researched that the legal basis is still very vague as far as Online Casinos are concerned. One jurisdiction states: " IT IS PROHIBITED BY GERMAN LAW FOR BANKS, PAYMENT SERVICE PROVIDERS (e.g. PAYPAL) AND CREDIT CARD ENTERPRISES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FINANCIAL PROCESSING OF UNLAWFUL TRANSACTIONS"
In fact, online gambling is illegal in Germany, as only providers from Schleswig-Holstein are permitted. This is stipulated in the so-called State Treaty on Gambling. Also included in this is the statement that payments in connection with illegal gambling are prohibited. The gambling operators refer to EU law, which is above national law and does not prohibit online gambling
2. Get money back possible?
Generally, if you have paid with PayPal, you can get your money back. Legally, there is nothing in the way
3. What are the consequences for me?
With a gambling operator from Schleswig-Holstein you must expect that they want to have the money back. This means for you to ignore 3 reminders = bailiff at the door, because the Provider refers to German law. The situation is different with EU providers. These can in the case of a refund of your money little proceed against you. What you can expect 100% is that the bank or Paypal closes your account. Also an entry ban of the country concerned would not be excluded. First of all not so wild. You may keep the money in any case. You can also expect a higher scoring of the bank quasi as retaliation. So if you don't plan to take a loan soon, you don't need to worry about non-German providers. According to §285 of the penal code, participation in gambling is punishable, but is nevertheless tolerated due to the vague legal situation. Such a lawsuit will only work once.
4. My personal experience
I have gambled away approx. 20,000 € in the past just under 2 years. For some time I have sworn off gambling. Even though I am now at peace with myself, it hurts to think of the numbers that would be better invested in millions of other things. I only came across Wirholendeingeld.de through a random advertisement. I found the whole thing so interesting that I researched everything from experiences at Trusty to the laws. I had wondered anyway why Paypal had been removed as a payment method. Strangely enough, there were still a few providers who offered Paypal and they were of course based in Schleswig-Holstein. If you put 1 and 2 together, you don't need to be a Sherlock to calculate realistic chances. In any case, I will take this route. I mean approx. 11.000,00 € have or not have ?! For me only the question arises, lawyer of my confidence and/or one which knows itself with it or nevertheless Wirholendeingeld.de?
When I have clarified this question and hopefully won the case I will write a second comment and hopefully encourage you to try it too.
5. conclusion
Unfortunately there is hardly anyone here from the comments who has tried Wirholendeingeld.de. On sides like Trusty it could concern genuine however evenly also around Fake evaluations.
However, the gambling laws are a fact. According to them, it is not unlikely, in fact very likely to get your money back. Certain consequences, such as the blocking of bank/Paypal - accounts is to be accepted. The current unresolved legal situation still makes it possible to get your money back. From the moment the verdict "Online Casinos = Prohibited/Banned" is pronounced, it is too late for every cent. Even if up to half of the retrieved money goes to Wirholendeingeld.de it is actually already long lost money. And to have it suddenly back in your wallet will certainly not be unpleasant for one or the other.
Hope I could give the little informed people an insight
The best thing is for everyone to inform themselves, maybe you will get other sources with which other opinions can be formed
But don't encourage and discourage people based on assumptions. Because as we all know "knowledge is power" and in this case also "MONEY"
In this sense thanks for the attention
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But with private lawyer I know in the last year two people with whom it has worked (play by the way both again diligently further...). From Paypal then comes a rooted letter that they are not aware of any guilt and more or less out of goodwill waive the claims, because they are not in the liability to verify each payment and that these were just clearly authorized by the buyer.
BUT, I do not know if it now still works. After the positive ruling for credit card companies, other service providers could follow suit and thus the chargeback issue would generally (finally) be over. Over the last few years I know that a larger number of people have successfully enforced the chargeback and only the people who then had a very bad conscience (and a little fear) have paid in the end. This info I have mitunteranderem through a good friend who works as a lawyer such cases, if he knew that I played he would probably shit me here
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