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Conspiracy theories: Manipulation at BTG? (Page 15)

Topic created on 10th Jul. 2020 | Page: 15 of 16 | Answers: 159 | Views: 22,246
Zwischenmeister
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Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 10:59 pm CEST#142
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I'll just say that it takes a lot of courage and self-confidence (or arrogance) to simultaneously state the yield of a slot, or the money flowing back to the payer (player) exactly to two digits behind the coma, while casually talking about random results.

I know people, I am quite aware of the law of large numbers etc etc

But let's be serious: two digits behind the decimal point - that with, I don't know, x-dozens of slots and there again with, let's say, 20 different application heights in each case - plus the occurrence of the word programming alone, to speak of coincidence is actually already brazen.

Law of large numbers or not. Do you know how risky it would be for the operators if, in view of this huge number of variables, they simply left everything to chance? I suspect one that no one (especially no casino) would really take. Because something could happen at any time that would plunge pretty much any company into stable trouble. It doesn't help that it would even out in two years. The gamblers are us, not the casinos and operators, who are guaranteed not to rely on their luck, they would be pretty stupid. I speak from experience

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Begbie
Elite

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 12:32 am CEST#143
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To avoid odds outliers, which could be expensive for the casino, an adjustment is made to remove the outliers from the programmed randomness. You can't define chance as it is defined in everyday life, it is already in a certain way a limited chance. Nevertheless, this coincidence takes place in an area, which is so gigantically large from the probabilities, that it is just nevertheless quasi a coincidence. Sounds strange, but it is so.

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Zwischenmeister
Top Member

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 02:47 am CEST#144
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Of course, I'm aware of what you mean and that this is exactly how these things should and must work

Spoiler: Get something to nibble on. Sorry, have me extremely reingesteigert...

What makes me then just stutzig, just in view of the millions or even billions of spins (for each bet amount extra), which are required - or at least possibly could be required - to land as close as possible to the targeted, egg-laying wool milk RTP, is my personal feeling / experience of just not sooo varied, but much more relatively fast and often repetitive 'game processes'

Basically

What I think we all agree on is that, of course, every single nuance of our behavior at the slots is observed, logged and meticulously evaluated without exception. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It's completely normal and is done the same way on every other website

Here, however, the whole thing has a completely different potential

Because - as much as we all like to think of ourselves as special and super-individual - subconsciously and reduced to the essentials, we not only behave intuitively and instinctively, but above all we all behave the same way, as much as we don't like to admit it.

In other words, exact evaluations of our gaming behavior are available over tens of years

And I'm talking about details, details of average human behavior, anonymous. Things like:

- how long it takes until the next spin is triggered
- how long do the reels have to spin for people to stop manually beforehand
- how many more spins do they do in an hour
- what is the last thing that happened before someone
- leaves a game
- reduced or increased the bet
- etc
- how is this related to the account balance?

That's just as very simple examples, I think honestly we have not even rudimentary an idea of how exactly our behavior is analyzed and evaluated in reality. That is with completely anonymous evaluations of all players over such a long time already incredibly meaningful and powerful

And it only takes one or two clicks, then the whole thing can be filtered by casinos, slots, demographic characteristics of the players such as age, place of residence and income (yes, they can probably narrow that down pretty well for most too), days of the week, times of day and dozens of other details that we don't even think about

They know our gaming behavior 1000x better than we ever will. All these findings are incorporated into every new slot, every detail is taken into account. And so far this is neither illegal, nor fraud. Actually, not even really reprehensible

But how far is the way and how low is the inhibition threshold from here, to exactly the same evaluation - only this time not anonymous, but individual. Technically no problem, they recognize us, no matter in which casino, even with a different email and IP address, the providers know in 98% of cases immediately who is there again from a new casino.

And the worst thing about it is that today it takes no time or effort at all, the data is available anyway, their systems are constantly evaluating, everything they want to know is just a click away

And who of you wants to tell me now that they don't use that to adjust the behavior of their games as it has to be, so that we throw in as much as possible?

The line between legal and illegal is very narrow here. One Provider will do more, the other less

But keeping profiles for individual players and letting the slots adjust their behavior to the respective profile would be something that any third-rate computer scientist could automate once the appropriate parameters have been calculated. And for that there are whole teams of game designers and I bet people who don't care about anything else except how to increase the dependency potential of new slots.

This would run unnoticed and hardly detectable in the background and the result would be Slot machines on which not we play, but who play with us.

If you consider that Amazon knows about a pregnancy in about 60% of the cases of regular customers, even before the woman herself is aware of it, then you can roughly imagine how powerful such data and behavioral analyses are

Nobody reads it anyway, much too long. But never mind.

Sorry in any case for the awesome text.

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Slotmist
Rookie

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 04:13 am CEST#145
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Game crashes, logging out, game unavailable, etc... that is not only for weeks so. On the cell phone (iPhone) screen brightness is darker na weiß i schon geht abwährts. Free spins are forn ass. At Wildz are 80 cents free spins crashed brought 1.60 €. Managers also babble only garbage. All in all liefs 2 years ago DEUTLICH better. Just like in the arcade, before the manual booking came. From boredom I play now and then, but no longer so awesome. Expect nix and also be confirmed so. Do not be ripped off, should ever come a proof that is manipulated, we are the last where their money back

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WithoutWings
Top Member

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 06:17 am CEST#146
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I give now times a guess that we will see today and tomorrow some BTG winning pictures again.... do not ask why is a feeling

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SuperMops
Amateur

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 06:40 am CEST#147
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Zwischenmeister wrote on 13.07.2020 at 22:59: I'll just say that it takes a lot of courage and self-confidence (or arrogance) to simultaneously specify the yield of a slot, or the money flowing back to the payer (player) to two digits behind the coma exactly, while casually talking about random results.

Can't understand the criticism. I assume that the RTP is an average value: for so-and-so many spins, x percent is paid out on average. It is clear that the images on the reels do not appear completely randomly. There is just with a probability of x the symbol y

I think you can compare this with dice. There are also limits to chance, because there are only six numbers. In the long run, however, the probabilities can be determined exactly. For example, if you bet 10 cents on every roll of the dice that the six will come up, then you will win with a probability of 1 in 6, or in other words, in 16.6 percent of all cases. (Of course, to calculate an RTP, you would still need to determine how much the win would be. If you were to get five times your stake in the event of a win, then logically the RTP would be higher than if you only got double your stake)

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Blubbo33
Elite

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 07:11 am CEST#148
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Zwischenmeister wrote on 14.07.2020 at 02:47: Of course, I'm aware of what you mean and that this is exactly how the things should and must work

Spoiler: Get something to nibble on. Sorry, have me extremely reingesteigert...

What makes me then just stutzig, just in view of the millions or even billions of spins (for each bet amount extra), which are required - or at least possibly could be required - to land as close as possible to the targeted, egg-laying wool milk RTP, is my personal feeling / experience of just not sooo varied, but much more relatively fast and often repetitive 'game processes'

Basically

What I think we all agree on is that, of course, every single nuance of our behavior at the slots is observed, logged and meticulously evaluated without exception. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It's completely normal and is done the same way on every other website

Here, however, the whole thing has a completely different potential

Because - as much as we all like to think of ourselves as special and super-individual - subconsciously and reduced to the essentials, we not only behave intuitively and instinctively, but above all we all behave the same way, as much as we don't like to admit it.

In other words, exact evaluations of our gaming behavior are available over tens of years

And I'm talking about details, details of average human behavior, anonymous. Things like:

- how long it takes until the next spin is triggered
- how long do the reels have to spin for people to stop manually beforehand
- how many more spins do they do in an hour
- what is the last thing that happened before someone
- leaves a game
- reduced or increased the bet
- etc
- how is this related to the account balance?

That's just as very simple examples, I think honestly we have not even rudimentary an idea of how exactly our behavior is analyzed and evaluated in reality. That is with completely anonymous evaluations of all players over such a long time already incredibly meaningful and powerful

And it only takes one or two clicks, then the whole thing can be filtered by casinos, slots, demographic characteristics of the players such as age, place of residence and income (yes, they can probably narrow that down pretty well for most too), days of the week, times of day and dozens of other details that we don't even think about

They know our gaming behavior 1000x better than we ever will. All these findings are incorporated into every new slot, every detail is taken into account. And so far this is neither illegal, nor fraud. Actually, not even really reprehensible

But how far is the way and how low is the inhibition threshold from here, to exactly the same evaluation - only this time not anonymous, but individual. Technically no problem, they recognize us, no matter in which casino, even with a different email and IP address, the providers know in 98% of cases immediately who is there again from a new casino.

And the worst thing about it is that today it takes no time or effort at all, the data is available anyway, their systems are constantly evaluating, everything they want to know is just a click away

And who of you wants to tell me now that they don't use that to adjust the behavior of their games as it has to be, so that we throw in as much as possible?

The line between legal and illegal is very narrow here. One Provider will do more, the other less

But keeping profiles for individual players and letting the slots adjust their behavior according to the respective profile would be something that any third-rate computer scientist could automate once the appropriate parameters have been calculated. And for that there are whole teams of game designers and I bet people who don't care about anything else except how to increase the dependency potential of new slots.

This would run unnoticed and hardly detectable in the background and the result would be Slot machines on which not we play, but who play with us.

If you consider that Amazon knows about a pregnancy in about 60% of the cases of regular customers, even before the woman herself is aware of it, then you can roughly imagine how powerful such data and behavioral analyses are

No one reads it anyway, it's much too long. But never mind.

Sorry in any case for the awesome text.

If all this is so, why wins petty 20 thousand? Would have but 5 thousand also sufficed

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Slotmist
Rookie

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 07:48 am CEST#149
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Those in Schleswig-Holstein are certainly luckier than the rest

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WithoutWings
Top Member

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 08:02 am CEST#150
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Constantly the question why kleinkariert has won so much, but has ever asked how much btg vll in the course of months / years with him has already eaten that will vll be the same dimension or more. In my case with the 21000 I can say in the course of the year was certainly eaten more or similar much

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

14th Jul. 2020, at 08:31 am CEST#151
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Right with me is not different, either the slot turns a wolf or it jerks.And if you can pay out, I also make small amounts so around the 30-50 euros, because one is also frustrated, then you also wait 3-5 days until the win is on your account.Otherwise, the money was at the latest the next business day on it.But is currently every casino so.

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