Tropper wrote on 14.10.2018 at 09:01: What makes you think that it happens according to the "scratch card principle"?
Say: that all 1.3 million possibilities, do not happen 2x but are removed until the population of possibilities has been reached and starts all over again?
I don't trust Push Gaming in this respect, you can tell a lot of things...
You would actually need a program wärend man Slots spielt, the program in the background the pictures analyzes and one is informed whether pictures occurred twice or not....
There is also the theory that it is like a movie that you watch, so you can influence zero, ie the next 1000 spins it is already sure which images come, but the players should think that everything happens only by chance principle
Skitch22 wrote on 14/10/2018 at 09:34
There is also the theory that it is like a movie you watch, so you can influence zero, ie the next 1000 spins it is already certain which images come, but the players should think that everything just happens by chance principle.
Yes, but that would be an unfair game and would not be allowed. You pay for every single spin and you have to have the same chances with every payment. With Roulette, lotto, Scratch cards and basically all Games of chance you have the same chances of winning with every game you pay for. Slot machines are also games of chance and therefore the basic principle is and should be no different.
Tropper wrote on 10/14/2018 at 09:01: What makes you think it happens on the "scratch card principle"?
Say: that all 1.3 million possibilities, do not happen 2x but are removed until the population of possibilities has been reached and starts again from the beginning?
I don't trust Push Gaming in this respect, you can tell a lot of things...
You would actually need a program wärend man Slots spielt, the program in the background the pictures analyzes and one is informed whether pictures occurred twice or not...
Jammin Chars runs according to the following principle:
Theoretically, the Random Number Generator can also throw 2x in a row, for example, result or "lot" 5 (1,000x). The probability is only very, very small. The "lot" is not gone when it is drawn. That would be again unfair play. This is the principle according to which online scratch cards work, and usually not machine games.
The only problem I see is psychological. The possible wins are given but the slot suggests something else to the players and also a much higher win potential than is actually there. The payout ratio will be correct, only the achievable maximum win per spin is fixed.
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Daniel wrote on 10/14/2018 at 01:48 AM
I am not God and can't answer you this question, but only conjecture:
1. The streamers get (to promote the slots of these manufacturers) winning videos fed to them and Push Gaming was too stupid and put out identical winning videos.
2. It was just a coincidence and happened due to the special setup of this slot, according to the scratchless principle.
3. Sloppy programming would also be theoretically possible.
4. Push Gaming actually manipulates the slots. You can never rule it out completely. That's why you should write to all regulators to have them investigate. If it turns out that Push Gaming has indeed manipulated the slots, then one of the above-mentioned regulatory authorities will uncover this. It can't be Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, United Kingdom, Alderny and Schleswig-Holstein that are not interested and / or cooperate with Push Gaming. Even if it should be so, then this will have consequences for Push Gaming and / or be their end. However, this does not mean that ALL player manufacturers (who are in competition with each other) are involved.
Since winning videos have already been made available, can you explain how this works?
If streamers play a slot and also click spin and whatnot, how does that work if it's a video and not the actual slot?
And how can game manufacturers now manipulate slots so that someone "plays" a winning video that has already run, when everything runs on independent servers?
How can OCs not know if a player's account in their casino is playing some form of manipulated software, or in this case not playing at all but "clicking" on a video?
Daniel wrote on 10/14/2018 at 10:00 AM
Theoretically, the Random Number Generator can also throw 2x in a row, for example, result or "lot" 5 (1,000x)
which also happens often enough. offline as well as online. now vllt not necessarily 1000x but e.g. twice in a row three cherries one sees to heauf.
jamin jars is simply poorly programmed in terms of probabilities
push gaming is not the mercedes among the manufacturers. not even the golf. rather category fiat uno.
Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 11:23 am
Since winning videos have already been made available, can you explain how this works?
If streamers play a slot and also click spin and whatnot, how does that work if it's a video and not the actual slot?
And how can game manufacturers now manipulate slots so that someone "plays" a winning video that has already run, when everything runs on independent servers?
How can OCs not know if a player's account in their casino is playing some form of manipulated software, or in this case not playing at all but "clicking" on a video?
I don't know either! Maybe it was just a coincidence. The streamers also gamble 24/7, so such things can also happen? I have never watched a single livestream in my life. If, then I have watched individual winning videos that were uploaded to Youtube
I find this streaming so boring and most streamers are also very unappealing to me, because they are usually some, constantly grinning-cheerful, young Sunnyboys. That's just inauthentic. Real gamers are not always happy, especially if they gamble 8 hours a day and are therefore clearly addicted to gaming. The some I found good was Online-Casinos-Tube, because this was the only format that at least came across authentic, which was possibly also due to the fact that they did the whole thing in their native language and now and then realtalk. Then, however, a video was leaked to me, which proved that they had played with fake money from the casino. Then, unfortunately, I had to officially withdraw my praise.
You can just tell that OCT were real gamblers - even if at least one video was fake (probably due to competitive pressure).
I am neither for, nor against individual streamers. I don't care about the whole issue. I find the concept simply inauthentic and consider it dangerous for gambling addicts and/or young gamblers, because an image is conveyed that is completely out of touch with reality. A casino daddy, for example, streams 8 hours a day, which normally no normal person can afford. I did the math once: If you gamble 8 hours a day with an average of 2€, then over the course of a year, with a payout rate of 95%, you accumulate over 300,000€ in safe losses. With so many spins, there is no more luck or bad luck, you play according to AQ.
And why shouldn't something like that happen with a chance of 1:1.3 million? The individual symbols do not fall independently of each other, but they are ready-made animations, of which there are 1.3 million pieces. If it were different or if the chances were 1:13 million, which I wrongly assumed, then it would really be as good as impossible.
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Daniel wrote on 10/14/2018 at 4:23 pm
I don't know either! Maybe it was just a coincidence. The streamers also gamble 24/7, so such things can happen? I have not watched a single livestream in my life completely. If, then I have watched individual winning videos that were uploaded to Youtube
(...)
And why should something like that not be able to happen, with a chance of 1:1.3 million? The individual symbols do not fall independently of each other, but they are ready-made animations, of which there are 1.3 million pieces. If it were different or if the chances were 1:13 million, which I wrongly assumed, then it would really be as good as impossible.
My point was about OCs already distributing winning videos to streamers, as you report.
So if it's possible for streamers to serve winning videos as if they were actually playing slots - because they have to click to spin, after all - I wonder why it's always claimed that you can't manipulate and that no one would, and that it's also unnecessary.
As you can see, it is possible.
And as you can see, those responsible need it.
Every time it is claimed that this and that is not feasible. But if it is feasible that a Streamer "plays" an old winner video as if he would play a game based on chance, where from then always this certainty that nowhere can be manipulated and nowhere else is cheated?
This makes absolutely no sense and is a contradiction in terms.
It is also not the case that at some time somewhere someone accidentally received the same winning picture as someone else, but that it was two well-known streamers who played publicly at an interval of 1 or 2 weeks.
This means that there are two extremely unlikely "coincidences".
Then there is the second video, in which also two streamers have received the identical winning picture, and this gigantic extreme improbability is multiplied to such an extent that it is only laughable.
What else is there to say about this? It is simply ridiculous to assume pure coincidences here.
i wouldn't be surprised if pushgaming releases an update for the game after this.
it is also very unserious to publish the probabilities (1:1,3mio).
jUICE.
Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 4:37 pm
My point was about the OCs that have already distributed winning videos to the streamers, as you report.
I didn't report that, I suspected it. It was a possible version. I listed the following possibilities:
1. The streamers get (to promote the slots of these manufacturers) winning videos and Push Gaming was too stupid and gave out identical winning videos.
2. It was just coincidence and happened due to the special setup of this slot, according to the scratchless principle.
3. Sloppy programming would also be theoretically possible.
4. Push Gaming actually manipulates the slots. You can never rule that out completely. That's why you should write to all regulators to have them investigate. If it turns out that Push Gaming has indeed manipulated the slots, then one of the above-mentioned regulatory authorities will uncover this. It can't be Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, United Kingdom, Alderny and Schleswig-Holstein that are not interested and / or cooperate with Push Gaming. Even if it should be so, then this will have consequences for Push Gaming and / or be their end. However, this does not mean that ALL player manufacturers (who are in competition with each other) are involved.
In the end though, I don't know and I'm a bad judge of that because as I've said several times, I've never watched a full stream.
Regarding the matter with the winning videos, which Quasar Gaming and / or OVO Casino was leaked to the player RiskCasino:
There is a so-called replay mode in Novomatic games. Here is a video made by Matthias. This video was made in 2013, 2 years before Matthias joined GambleJoe. At that time he had not actively recorded his sessions:
You could replay any win at StarGames & Co. These are also not videos, but generated videos. Risk casino was played a generated win video without the writing "replay mode". You could tell that the video could not be original because the spin number you see in the upper left corner was much too small and therefore much too old at the time the video was posted.
But on the games themselves, on the gameplay, the online casions have no influence. Whereas I could imagine such a conspiracy at Quasar Gaming, OVO Casino and Stargames (theoretically), because all this belongs directly or indirectly to Novomatic and Novomatic's business ethics are really not the most reputable providers on the market. However, this statement on my part is also very subjective. At that time, I had contact with a higher up of Novomatic and the person or persons I had contact with was the most disgusting person I have ever met - no exaggeration! I would have preferred to talk to Hitler, the conversation would have been really friendly and less authoritarian.
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Daniel wrote on 10/14/2018 at 5:51 pm
In the end, though, I don't know and I'm a bad judge of that because, as I've said several times, I've never watched a full stream.
On the matter of the winning videos, which Quasar Gaming and / or OVO Casino was leaked to the player RiskCasino:
There is a so-called replay mode in Novomatic games. Here is a video made by Matthias. This video was made in 2013, 2 years before Matthias joined GambleJoe. At that time he had not actively recorded his sessions:
You could replay any win at StarGames & Co. These are also not videos, but generated videos. Risk casino was played a generated win video without the writing "replay mode". You could tell that the video could not be original because the spin number you see in the upper left corner was much too small and therefore much too old at the time the video was posted.
But on the games themselves, on the gameplay, the online casions have no influence. Whereas I could imagine such a conspiracy at Quasar Gaming, OVO Casino and Stargames (theoretically), because all this belongs directly or indirectly to Novomatic and Novomatic's business ethics are really not the most reputable providers on the market. However, this statement on my part is also very subjective. At that time, I had contact with a higher up of Novomatic and the person or persons I had contact with was the most disgusting person I have ever met - no exaggeration! I would have preferred to talk to Hitler, the conversation would have been really friendly and less authoritarian.
Yes, I am talking about the winning videos of Quasar & Co. Of course you have reported about it.
And what you write shows nevertheless - I repeat myself here - completely clearly that is cheated absolutely.
You say it yourself.
Then you say that the OCs have no influence on it, but in the same breath that you can imagine it at Quasar and StarGames.
Huh? What now?
Nevertheless, it is still said that there is no cheating.
Although cheating has already taken place.
Have I somehow landed in a parallel world here?
Kaffeelicht wrote on 14/10/2018 at 18:52
Yes you do, I'm talking about the winning videos of Quasar & Co. Well of course you reported about it.
And what you write, but shows - I repeat myself here - quite clearly that is quite cheated.
You say it yourself.
Then you say that the OCs have no influence on it, but in the same breath that you can imagine it at Quasar and StarGames.
Huh? What now?
Nevertheless, it is still said that there is no cheating.
Although cheating has already taken place.
Have I somehow landed in a parallel world here?
At StarGames and Co. you could go into the "spectator mode" and watch other people playing, this has Risk casino and all other people used to make records. That is, all the sessions were gambled in real money but not by the person who advertised it.
I don't know if that's what Daniel meant, but nevertheless, these are also just assumptions and theories from his side that he deposited and do not reflect any "proof" of fraud in terms of push gaming.
Online casinos still have no influence on the game, even if your theory is true that someone is sending videos to some Streamer, these would also only be recordings made by other players. Unless the providers themselves have made recordings of it, which would be really pathetic, if they would do something like that then not from a poble 1000x win in a slot that has a potential of 20,000x.
Besides, look around on international platforms, where a normal user recently got a record win on Bonanza of 14,000x. Why wouldn't the providers "give" such a big win to a streamer? - Why do even the big streamers have in their long career all only a record value of 4,000x when it comes up? even I as a "casual player" had more times wins over 5,000 - 6,000x. Don't be blinded by the amount they win, they are only so high because their stakes are set so high. If we only go by the Win factor, they don't even reach really awesome wins.
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There is also the theory that it is like a movie that you watch, so you can influence zero, ie the next 1000 spins it is already sure which images come, but the players should think that everything happens only by chance principle
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Yes, but that would be an unfair game and would not be allowed. You pay for every single spin and you have to have the same chances with every payment. With Roulette, lotto, Scratch cards and basically all Games of chance you have the same chances of winning with every game you pay for. Slot machines are also games of chance and therefore the basic principle is and should be no different.
Jammin Chars runs according to the following principle:
Theoretically, the Random Number Generator can also throw 2x in a row, for example, result or "lot" 5 (1,000x). The probability is only very, very small. The "lot" is not gone when it is drawn. That would be again unfair play. This is the principle according to which online scratch cards work, and usually not machine games.
The only problem I see is psychological. The possible wins are given but the slot suggests something else to the players and also a much higher win potential than is actually there. The payout ratio will be correct, only the achievable maximum win per spin is fixed.
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Since winning videos have already been made available, can you explain how this works?
If streamers play a slot and also click spin and whatnot, how does that work if it's a video and not the actual slot?
And how can game manufacturers now manipulate slots so that someone "plays" a winning video that has already run, when everything runs on independent servers?
How can OCs not know if a player's account in their casino is playing some form of manipulated software, or in this case not playing at all but "clicking" on a video?
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which also happens often enough. offline as well as online. now vllt not necessarily 1000x but e.g. twice in a row three cherries one sees to heauf.
jamin jars is simply poorly programmed in terms of probabilities
push gaming is not the mercedes among the manufacturers. not even the golf. rather category fiat uno.
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I don't know either! Maybe it was just a coincidence. The streamers also gamble 24/7, so such things can also happen? I have never watched a single livestream in my life. If, then I have watched individual winning videos that were uploaded to Youtube
I find this streaming so boring and most streamers are also very unappealing to me, because they are usually some, constantly grinning-cheerful, young Sunnyboys. That's just inauthentic. Real gamers are not always happy, especially if they gamble 8 hours a day and are therefore clearly addicted to gaming. The some I found good was Online-Casinos-Tube, because this was the only format that at least came across authentic, which was possibly also due to the fact that they did the whole thing in their native language and now and then realtalk. Then, however, a video was leaked to me, which proved that they had played with fake money from the casino. Then, unfortunately, I had to officially withdraw my praise.
You can just tell that OCT were real gamblers - even if at least one video was fake (probably due to competitive pressure).
I am neither for, nor against individual streamers. I don't care about the whole issue. I find the concept simply inauthentic and consider it dangerous for gambling addicts and/or young gamblers, because an image is conveyed that is completely out of touch with reality. A casino daddy, for example, streams 8 hours a day, which normally no normal person can afford. I did the math once: If you gamble 8 hours a day with an average of 2€, then over the course of a year, with a payout rate of 95%, you accumulate over 300,000€ in safe losses. With so many spins, there is no more luck or bad luck, you play according to AQ.
And why shouldn't something like that happen with a chance of 1:1.3 million? The individual symbols do not fall independently of each other, but they are ready-made animations, of which there are 1.3 million pieces. If it were different or if the chances were 1:13 million, which I wrongly assumed, then it would really be as good as impossible.
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My point was about OCs already distributing winning videos to streamers, as you report.
So if it's possible for streamers to serve winning videos as if they were actually playing slots - because they have to click to spin, after all - I wonder why it's always claimed that you can't manipulate and that no one would, and that it's also unnecessary.
As you can see, it is possible.
And as you can see, those responsible need it.
Every time it is claimed that this and that is not feasible. But if it is feasible that a Streamer "plays" an old winner video as if he would play a game based on chance, where from then always this certainty that nowhere can be manipulated and nowhere else is cheated?
This makes absolutely no sense and is a contradiction in terms.
It is also not the case that at some time somewhere someone accidentally received the same winning picture as someone else, but that it was two well-known streamers who played publicly at an interval of 1 or 2 weeks.
This means that there are two extremely unlikely "coincidences".
Then there is the second video, in which also two streamers have received the identical winning picture, and this gigantic extreme improbability is multiplied to such an extent that it is only laughable.
What else is there to say about this? It is simply ridiculous to assume pure coincidences here.
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it is also very unserious to publish the probabilities (1:1,3mio).
jUICE.
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I didn't report that, I suspected it. It was a possible version. I listed the following possibilities:
In the end though, I don't know and I'm a bad judge of that because as I've said several times, I've never watched a full stream.
Regarding the matter with the winning videos, which Quasar Gaming and / or OVO Casino was leaked to the player RiskCasino:
There is a so-called replay mode in Novomatic games. Here is a video made by Matthias. This video was made in 2013, 2 years before Matthias joined GambleJoe. At that time he had not actively recorded his sessions:
https://www.gamblejoe.com/videos/mega-joker-online/
You could replay any win at StarGames & Co. These are also not videos, but generated videos. Risk casino was played a generated win video without the writing "replay mode". You could tell that the video could not be original because the spin number you see in the upper left corner was much too small and therefore much too old at the time the video was posted.
But on the games themselves, on the gameplay, the online casions have no influence. Whereas I could imagine such a conspiracy at Quasar Gaming, OVO Casino and Stargames (theoretically), because all this belongs directly or indirectly to Novomatic and Novomatic's business ethics are really not the most reputable providers on the market. However, this statement on my part is also very subjective. At that time, I had contact with a higher up of Novomatic and the person or persons I had contact with was the most disgusting person I have ever met - no exaggeration! I would have preferred to talk to Hitler, the conversation would have been really friendly and less authoritarian.
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Yes, I am talking about the winning videos of Quasar & Co. Of course you have reported about it.
And what you write shows nevertheless - I repeat myself here - completely clearly that is cheated absolutely.
You say it yourself.
Then you say that the OCs have no influence on it, but in the same breath that you can imagine it at Quasar and StarGames.
Huh? What now?
Nevertheless, it is still said that there is no cheating.
Although cheating has already taken place.
Have I somehow landed in a parallel world here?
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At StarGames and Co. you could go into the "spectator mode" and watch other people playing, this has Risk casino and all other people used to make records. That is, all the sessions were gambled in real money but not by the person who advertised it.
I don't know if that's what Daniel meant, but nevertheless, these are also just assumptions and theories from his side that he deposited and do not reflect any "proof" of fraud in terms of push gaming.
Online casinos still have no influence on the game, even if your theory is true that someone is sending videos to some Streamer, these would also only be recordings made by other players. Unless the providers themselves have made recordings of it, which would be really pathetic, if they would do something like that then not from a poble 1000x win in a slot that has a potential of 20,000x.
Besides, look around on international platforms, where a normal user recently got a record win on Bonanza of 14,000x. Why wouldn't the providers "give" such a big win to a streamer? - Why do even the big streamers have in their long career all only a record value of 4,000x when it comes up? even I as a "casual player" had more times wins over 5,000 - 6,000x. Don't be blinded by the amount they win, they are only so high because their stakes are set so high. If we only go by the Win factor, they don't even reach really awesome wins.
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