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13th Oct. 2018, at 01:11 pm CEST#221
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pascalst wrote on 10/13/2018 at 1:01 pm
May be true. But the guy threatened me quite aggressively and everyone is allowed to know that.
If I had not included what he wrote in my comment, maybe no one would believe me.
If one has a problem with a user, one turns to the Admins. If anyone feels harassed by private message, write it to the mod or the admins. The only purpose of posting was to expose the person.
What kind of kindergarten is this again in the morning?
We have already told you several times yesterday that you should pull yourselves together and come back to the topic.
Your private arguments are nobody's business, and nobody is interested.
@Pascalst I ask you in the future the unauthorized publication of private messages or data to refrain.
Slowly tears me the collar, every day there are always some arguments because someone some opinion does not fit.
If someone is convinced that the casinos do not cheat, then the person will stick to it.
If someone is convinced that the casinos are cheating, then the person will stick to that as well.
Just accept it that the opinions here in the forum are different but just please stop the opinion of other people in such a way in the dirt to pull.
Everyone has the right to form their own opinion on this subject, and everyone also has the right to post these views here in the forum.
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13th Oct. 2018, at 01:46 pm CEST#223
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Coffee light wrote on 13/10/2018 at 13:09
But it is not about the number, i.e. the multiplication and the win obtained with it, but about the identical image.
That x1600 wins can occur more often is not so unlikely. Only then these would have to be different winning pictures in such a slot.
Interesting. My post was not about any x1600 win, but about the one with the probability of 1.3 million. My example calculation was therefore related to exactly this case, with the identical winning pictures, since in that case the probability was 1 in 1.3 million. I do not know the probability of any X-1600 win in this game, so I cannot say anything about it.
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13th Oct. 2018, at 02:01 pm CEST#224
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Emulator wrote on 10/13/2018 at 1:46 pm
Interesting. My post was not about any X1600 win, but about the one with the probability of 1.3 million. Accordingly, my example calculation referred to exactly that case, with the identical winning pictures, since in that case the probability was 1 in 1.3 million. I do not know the probability of any X-1600 win in this game, so I cannot say anything about it.
Ah, okay, I had assumed that because you wrote:
" I'll use the Jammin-Jars game as an example, where that particular win had a probability of 1.3 million."
That's why I had assumed a x1600 win.
That being said, there must actually be other images in a slot like Jamming Jars that guarantee a x1600 win. I assume that no one would have thought anything of it if both streamers had this Multiplier but not identical winning pictures.
I remember a win on Starburst, which is much more limited than Jamming Jars.
There I won the same amount twice about 2 months apart. Both times I played the same winning bet and the same coin bet (80 cents total, level 4, coin bet 2 cents, 10 lines. It's been a while).
The first time it was wins with first two, then 3 asterisks next to each other, 7, green and yellow if I remember correctly. The second time it was 2 asterisks with bar (unfortunately no full screen...).
Both times reached the identical multiplier at the end.
Edit: I just noticed that I made a small mistake: the score list should be between 0 and 1,299,999, since the remaining value can also be 0. For this example, however, this makes no difference.
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14th Oct. 2018, at 12:27 am CEST#226
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daniel I don't want to offend you, but do you really believe in coincidence ? In the coincidence that by chance just 2 big streamers have the same sequence of images and wins?
DerSuperDepp wrote on 14/10/2018 at 00:27: daniel I do not want to offend you, but do you yourself really believe in coincidence ? In the coincidence that by chance just 2 big streamers happen to have the same sequence of images and wins ?
At 1:13 million this is as good as impossible, at 1:1.3 million and the way this Slot machine game works it could theoretically be. I can not form an opinion on this, because I do not actively follow the streamers and therefore do not know how they play. But if they gamble new slots ad nauseam, with turbo spins and the like, it can't be ruled out - even if the probability is still very low.
As I said, RiskCasino got winning videos from Quasar Gaming and/or OVO Casino leaked at the time. These wins were made by other players and then reconstructed - after all, every spin is permanently saved. You could recognize this fake by the fact that the spin number in the upper-left corner was so small that this spin must have been several years ago
I don't know if the streamers are faking, but I honestly assume they are. Certainly it is not all but so some. It's just a pure business and their main source of income or their only source of income is streaming.
But the slots are based on chance, I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced that every single spin you pay for is bet-independent and based on chance and probability. The slots work on this principle:
the upper is rather the principle according to which virtual scratch tickets work. Roller slots usually work according to this principle:
I am convinced of this because I have gambled for many years, a lot. Not only online, but also in casinos and gaming houses. In gambling houses, however, I would not like to completely exclude manipulation. After all, there is no proper supervisory authority for gambling houses and the devices that are there are, by definition, not real Slot machines, but entertainment devices with the possibility of winning. There is also no fixed payout ratio prescribed for gaming arcades and anyway, everything is relatively unregulated, except for the tax registration and the "player protection" there.
In the meantime, I even consider Online Casinos to be the safest place for gambling as far as game Manipulation is concerned. Why?
1. The games are not hosted by the online casinos themselves. This is not because only highly decent people work in the casinos - guaranteed not. In my experience, most of the people who work there are just dumb asses who are out for a quick win and can't think three feet in the long run. The game manufacturers would rarely be stupid if they released their software to each of the thousands of online casinos. Then there would be real manipulation and also to the detriment of the game manufacturers, who earn per spin. And the game manufacturers would like to avoid that - so I would not entrust my games that I have developed to every assi. By the way, everybody can understand the hosting by himself, if he has some technical know-how. Every casino connects to the same servers and also in the source code you can see that every casino embeds the same game. This is not a conjecture, but a comprehensible fact!
2. A high degree of centralization: In gambling houses, bars, pubs or casinos, every single operator has constant access to the devices themselves. Therefore, it has often happened that criminals have installed so-called economy boards in the machines. With these boards, taxes are evaded and / or players (even more) ripped off. Online everything is central. There are only a few game manufacturers, with which the whole thing can be better monitored. Sure, individual game manufacturers could cheat - but not the online casinos themselves. There have already been a few cases in which casino operators have been arrested because they have evaded taxes on a massive scale by means of savings boards - by the way, no one in Germany asks about the players in such cases. But I don't know of any scandal where a player manufacturer for online slots was arrested because he manipulated the slots. That should have happened in 20 years of online casinos, shouldn't it? And even if a game manufacturer should manipulate and it is exposed, then that still does not mean that ALL do this.
3. Online casinos or slot manufacturers are monitored by many regulatory authorities: Even if Malta would be the mega island of the mafia and everything down there corrupt, there are also Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Alderny, Schleswig-Holstein and United Kingdom in the EU. Or do all these authorities, which are located in various countries around the world, belong to organized crime?
4. Every spin is permanently saved: Spins are permanently saved in every online casino. This means that every player in most casinos can track every spin he has ever made and calculate his personal payout ratio from this information. Videoslots even has a function called MyRTP that makes the whole thing more convenient. If someone has doubts about the payout ratio and has played a slot over a long period of time, then he can check this and will end up in most cases at over 85%. This is all open and transparent - more transparency is hardly possible!
It would have to ALL game manufacturers and ALL online casinos and ALL supervisory authorities work together and conspire against the players, so that such extensive manipulation, as some here suspect, could take place. It's also funny that if it is so, no one involved, former employee or confidant has ever come clean.
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14th Oct. 2018, at 01:40 am CEST#228
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Daniel wrote on 10/14/2018 at 01:35 PM
At 1:13 million this is pretty much out of the question, at 1:1.3 million and the way this slot game works it could theoretically be. I can also form an opinion on this poorly, because I do not actively follow the streamers and therefore do not know how they play. But if they gamble new slots ad nauseam, with turbo spins and the like, it can't be ruled out - even if the probability is still very low.
As I said, RiskCasino got winning videos from Quasar Gaming and/or OVO Casino leaked at the time. These wins were made by other players and then reconstructed - after all, every spin is permanently saved. You could recognize this fake by the fact that the spin number in the upper-left corner was so small that this spin must have been several years ago
I don't know if the streamers are faking, but I honestly assume they are. Certainly it is not all but so some. It's just a pure business and their main source of income or their only source of income is streaming.
But the slots are based on chance, I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced that every single spin you pay for is bet-independent and based on chance and probability. The slots work on this principle:
the upper is rather the principle according to which virtual scratch tickets work. Roller slots usually work according to this principle:
I am convinced of this because I have gambled for many years, a lot. Not only online, but also in casinos and gaming houses. In gambling houses, however, I would not like to completely exclude manipulation. After all, there is no proper supervisory authority for gaming arcades and the devices that are there are, by definition, not real Slot machines, but entertainment devices with the possibility of winning. There is also no fixed payout ratio prescribed for gaming arcades and anyway, everything is relatively unregulated, except for the tax registration and the "player protection" there.
In the meantime, I even consider Online Casinos to be the safest place for gambling as far as game Manipulation is concerned. Why?
1. The games are not hosted by the online casinos themselves. This is not because only highly decent people work in the casinos - guaranteed not. In my experience, most of the people who work there are just stupider asses who are out for a quick win and can't think a yard in the long term. The game manufacturers would rarely be stupid if they released their software to each of the thousands of online casinos. Then there would be real manipulation and also to the detriment of the game manufacturers, who earn per spin. And that's what the game manufacturers want to avoid - so I wouldn't entrust the games I've developed to just any asshole. By the way, everybody can understand the hosting by himself, if he has some technical know-how. Every casino connects to the same servers and also in the source code you can see that every casino embeds the same game. This is not a conjecture, but a comprehensible fact!
2. A high degree of centralization: In gambling houses, bars, pubs or casinos, every single operator has constant access to the devices themselves. For this reason, it has often happened that criminals have installed so-called economy boards in slot machines. With these boards, taxes are evaded and / or players (even more) ripped off. Online everything is central. There are only a few game manufacturers, with which the whole thing can be better monitored. Sure, individual game manufacturers could cheat - but not the online casinos themselves. There have already been a few cases in which casino operators have been arrested because they have evaded taxes on a massive scale by means of savings boards - by the way, no one in Germany asks about the players in such cases. But I don't know of any scandal where a player manufacturer for online slots was arrested because he manipulated the slots. That should have happened in 20 years of online casinos, shouldn't it? And even if a game manufacturer should manipulate and it is exposed, then that still does not mean that ALL do this.
3. Online casinos or slot manufacturers are monitored by many regulatory authorities: Even if Malta would be the mega island of the mafia and everything down there corrupt, there are also Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Alderny, Schleswig-Holstein and United Kingdom in the EU. Or do all these authorities, which are located in various countries around the world, belong to organized crime?
4. Every spin is permanently saved: Spins are permanently saved in every online casino. This means that every player in most casinos can track every spin he has ever made and calculate his personal payout ratio from this information. Videoslots even has a function called MyRTP that makes the whole thing more convenient. If someone has doubts about the payout ratio and has played a slot over a long period of time, then he can check this and will end up in most cases at over 85%. This is all open and transparent - more transparency is hardly possible!
It would have to ALL game manufacturers and ALL online casinos and ALL supervisory authorities work together and conspire against the players, so that such extensive manipulation, as some here suspect, could take place. It's also funny that if it is so, no one involved, former employee or confidant has ever come clean.
And how likely is it that after these two streamers, two more have the absolutely identical win (incl. same pictures)?
Sloppy programming?
tby333 wrote on 10/14/2018 at 01:40 PM
And how likely is it that after these two streamers, two more will have the absolutely identical win (including the same pictures)?
Sloppy programming?
I am not God and can not answer you this question, but only conjecture:
1. The streamers get fed (to promote the slots of these manufacturers) winning videos and Push Gaming was too stupid and put out identical winning videos.
2. It was just a coincidence and happened due to the special setup of this slot, according to the scratchless principle.
3. Sloppy programming would also be theoretically possible.
4. Push Gaming actually manipulates the slots. You can never rule that out completely. That's why you should write to all regulators to have them investigate. If it turns out that Push Gaming has indeed manipulated the slots, then one of the above-mentioned regulatory authorities will uncover this. It can't be Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, United Kingdom, Alderny and Schleswig-Holstein that are not interested and / or cooperate with Push Gaming. Even if it should be so, then this will have consequences for Push Gaming and / or be their end. However, this does not mean that ALL player manufacturers (who are in competition with each other) are involved.
What makes you think that it happens according to the "scratch card principle"?
Say: that all 1.3 million possibilities, do not happen 2x but are removed until the population of possibilities has been reached and starts again from the beginning?
I don't trust Push Gaming in this respect, you can tell a lot of things...
You would actually need a program wärend man Slots spielt, the program in the background the pictures analyzes and one is informed whether pictures occurred twice or not....
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We have already told you several times yesterday that you should pull yourselves together and come back to the topic.
Your private arguments are nobody's business, and nobody is interested.
@Pascalst I ask you in the future the unauthorized publication of private messages or data to refrain.
Slowly tears me the collar, every day there are always some arguments because someone some opinion does not fit.
If someone is convinced that the casinos do not cheat, then the person will stick to it.
If someone is convinced that the casinos are cheating, then the person will stick to that as well.
Just accept it that the opinions here in the forum are different but just please stop the opinion of other people in such a way in the dirt to pull.
Everyone has the right to form their own opinion on this subject, and everyone also has the right to post these views here in the forum.
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Interesting. My post was not about any x1600 win, but about the one with the probability of 1.3 million. My example calculation was therefore related to exactly this case, with the identical winning pictures, since in that case the probability was 1 in 1.3 million. I do not know the probability of any X-1600 win in this game, so I cannot say anything about it.
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Ah, okay, I had assumed that because you wrote:
" I'll use the Jammin-Jars game as an example, where that particular win had a probability of 1.3 million."
That's why I had assumed a x1600 win.
That being said, there must actually be other images in a slot like Jamming Jars that guarantee a x1600 win. I assume that no one would have thought anything of it if both streamers had this Multiplier but not identical winning pictures.
I remember a win on Starburst, which is much more limited than Jamming Jars.
There I won the same amount twice about 2 months apart. Both times I played the same winning bet and the same coin bet (80 cents total, level 4, coin bet 2 cents, 10 lines. It's been a while).
The first time it was wins with first two, then 3 asterisks next to each other, 7, green and yellow if I remember correctly. The second time it was 2 asterisks with bar (unfortunately no full screen...).
Both times reached the identical multiplier at the end.
P.S. Why have you deleted yourself now?
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This is how other reel games usually work:
Image source: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-funktionsweise/
I hope this helps.
Edit: I just noticed that I made a small mistake: the score list should be between 0 and 1,299,999, since the remaining value can also be 0. For this example, however, this makes no difference.
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At 1:13 million this is as good as impossible, at 1:1.3 million and the way this Slot machine game works it could theoretically be. I can not form an opinion on this, because I do not actively follow the streamers and therefore do not know how they play. But if they gamble new slots ad nauseam, with turbo spins and the like, it can't be ruled out - even if the probability is still very low.
As I said, RiskCasino got winning videos from Quasar Gaming and/or OVO Casino leaked at the time. These wins were made by other players and then reconstructed - after all, every spin is permanently saved. You could recognize this fake by the fact that the spin number in the upper-left corner was so small that this spin must have been several years ago
I don't know if the streamers are faking, but I honestly assume they are. Certainly it is not all but so some. It's just a pure business and their main source of income or their only source of income is streaming.
But the slots are based on chance, I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced that every single spin you pay for is bet-independent and based on chance and probability. The slots work on this principle:
the upper is rather the principle according to which virtual scratch tickets work. Roller slots usually work according to this principle:
Image source: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-funktionsweise/
I am convinced of this because I have gambled for many years, a lot. Not only online, but also in casinos and gaming houses. In gambling houses, however, I would not like to completely exclude manipulation. After all, there is no proper supervisory authority for gambling houses and the devices that are there are, by definition, not real Slot machines, but entertainment devices with the possibility of winning. There is also no fixed payout ratio prescribed for gaming arcades and anyway, everything is relatively unregulated, except for the tax registration and the "player protection" there.
In the meantime, I even consider Online Casinos to be the safest place for gambling as far as game Manipulation is concerned. Why?
1. The games are not hosted by the online casinos themselves. This is not because only highly decent people work in the casinos - guaranteed not. In my experience, most of the people who work there are just dumb asses who are out for a quick win and can't think three feet in the long run. The game manufacturers would rarely be stupid if they released their software to each of the thousands of online casinos. Then there would be real manipulation and also to the detriment of the game manufacturers, who earn per spin. And the game manufacturers would like to avoid that - so I would not entrust my games that I have developed to every assi. By the way, everybody can understand the hosting by himself, if he has some technical know-how. Every casino connects to the same servers and also in the source code you can see that every casino embeds the same game. This is not a conjecture, but a comprehensible fact!
2. A high degree of centralization: In gambling houses, bars, pubs or casinos, every single operator has constant access to the devices themselves. Therefore, it has often happened that criminals have installed so-called economy boards in the machines. With these boards, taxes are evaded and / or players (even more) ripped off. Online everything is central. There are only a few game manufacturers, with which the whole thing can be better monitored. Sure, individual game manufacturers could cheat - but not the online casinos themselves. There have already been a few cases in which casino operators have been arrested because they have evaded taxes on a massive scale by means of savings boards - by the way, no one in Germany asks about the players in such cases. But I don't know of any scandal where a player manufacturer for online slots was arrested because he manipulated the slots. That should have happened in 20 years of online casinos, shouldn't it? And even if a game manufacturer should manipulate and it is exposed, then that still does not mean that ALL do this.
3. Online casinos or slot manufacturers are monitored by many regulatory authorities: Even if Malta would be the mega island of the mafia and everything down there corrupt, there are also Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Alderny, Schleswig-Holstein and United Kingdom in the EU. Or do all these authorities, which are located in various countries around the world, belong to organized crime?
4. Every spin is permanently saved: Spins are permanently saved in every online casino. This means that every player in most casinos can track every spin he has ever made and calculate his personal payout ratio from this information. Videoslots even has a function called MyRTP that makes the whole thing more convenient. If someone has doubts about the payout ratio and has played a slot over a long period of time, then he can check this and will end up in most cases at over 85%. This is all open and transparent - more transparency is hardly possible!
It would have to ALL game manufacturers and ALL online casinos and ALL supervisory authorities work together and conspire against the players, so that such extensive manipulation, as some here suspect, could take place. It's also funny that if it is so, no one involved, former employee or confidant has ever come clean.
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And how likely is it that after these two streamers, two more have the absolutely identical win (incl. same pictures)?
Sloppy programming?
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I am not God and can not answer you this question, but only conjecture:
1. The streamers get fed (to promote the slots of these manufacturers) winning videos and Push Gaming was too stupid and put out identical winning videos.
2. It was just a coincidence and happened due to the special setup of this slot, according to the scratchless principle.
3. Sloppy programming would also be theoretically possible.
4. Push Gaming actually manipulates the slots. You can never rule that out completely. That's why you should write to all regulators to have them investigate. If it turns out that Push Gaming has indeed manipulated the slots, then one of the above-mentioned regulatory authorities will uncover this. It can't be Malta, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, United Kingdom, Alderny and Schleswig-Holstein that are not interested and / or cooperate with Push Gaming. Even if it should be so, then this will have consequences for Push Gaming and / or be their end. However, this does not mean that ALL player manufacturers (who are in competition with each other) are involved.
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Say: that all 1.3 million possibilities, do not happen 2x but are removed until the population of possibilities has been reached and starts again from the beginning?
I don't trust Push Gaming in this respect, you can tell a lot of things...
You would actually need a program wärend man Slots spielt, the program in the background the pictures analyzes and one is informed whether pictures occurred twice or not....
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