Royal777 wrote on 02/19/2021 at 17:03: @IchBins2018
You made a small mistake in your calculation. It is true that the house advantage is actually around 4-6%, so you are talking about an RTP of 94-96%. Still, at least players pay out their balance when it is below the deposit. Instead, you always try to make a win and this goes in the long run in the pants.
Something else I have also not written Royal777
Check out....
"The game played is only a snapshot -and also says nothing about how long a player*in plays at all or how often someone wagers a certain amount x or re-deploys after completing the RTP.
Ultimately, the money used (thanks to the RTP) is less and less, until there is nothing left (the normal case). "
Maybe you missed it...or didn't read the small print ?
gamble1 wrote on 19.02.2021 at 15:51
Sooner or later it will be up to them because do you think the casino seriously bears the damage ?
That is like with the theft at the end it pays the general public a company never remains on the damage sit
Personally I don't care who bears the damage, I'm also not a fan of chargeback(s).
Hmm the general public bears the damage?
A former German bank boss dismissed "losses" (around 5 billion) as "peanuts".
And a few chargebacks will most likely not be noticeable in this billion dollar business, or the little bit of money that is booked back, do you really think it is more than a few peanuts for the casinos?
And as far as theft is concerned, you can of course see it as you like.
However, if a chargebacker gets right in court (that also happens) is it still theft, or was it possibly his/her right to reclaim his/her money?
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What funny discussions take place here again. Just to come up with the idea of asking a question about what a player has bought. What do you buy in the cinema or in the whorehouse? I can't see or touch that after my visit either. A service that one buys does not always have to be material.
It is different, of course, when you make a win, then you are no longer sick or addicted. Then you would not run to the lawyer and say I have won money illegally, which must now be confiscated. There are such broken people.....
@thomas, just as you are allowed to express yourself, others are also allowed to have their opinion
you pay for a service, so pastime, excitement and the possibility to win something. Of course, there are always people who overdo it or are simply addicted to it, hence my question:
Can an alcoholic sue a liquor manufacturer because his money is gone, the liquor is gone and he is worse off than before?
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wettibernd wrote on 19.02.2021 at 19:23: See the same
you pay for a service, so pastime, excitement and the possibility to win something. Of course, there are always people who exaggerate or are simply addicted to it, hence my question:
Can an alcoholic sue a liquor manufacturer because his money is gone, the liquor too and he is worse off than before?
If an alcoholic consumes liquor and then achieves intoxication, then this intoxication is also immediately "available".
For this, the drinker doesn't have to show the beverage Dealer his pay slip, bank statement and grin photo with gas bill in his left hand...
TheJoker wrote on 19.02.2021 at 19:16: What funny discussions take place here again. Alone to come on the idea to ask a question, what a player bought then. What do you buy in the cinema or in the whorehouse? I can't see or touch that after my visit either. A service that one buys does not always have to be material.
It is different, of course, when you make a win, then you are no longer sick or addicted. Then you would not run to the lawyer and say I have won money illegally, which must now be confiscated. There are such broken people.....
@thomas, just as you are allowed to express yourself, others are also allowed to have their opinion.
But the way you think is not very differentiated.
It is quite simple: The casinos know exactly in which market they operate and how the legal situation is there.
If, as for example in Austria, the casinos still offer their services, then they must also reckon with lawsuits. Since every casino is a win-oriented company, they already calculate exactly that.
The calculate with XY income and only a small percentage will sue the money later again. Thus, the casino still makes a win in the respective country.
To come seriously with the moral club against players who simply exercise their right is very questionable, while casinos knowingly offer their games in countries where it is prohibited. The poor casinos, however, who then have to give a fraction of the revenue back to some players and are not allowed to keep the money for an offer that they are not allowed to offer in the respective country
Falke wrote on 20.02.2021 at 00:27
The way you think isn't very discriminating either though.
It is quite simple: The casinos know exactly in which market they operate and how there the Gesetzslage is.
If, as for example in Austria, the casinos still offer their services, then they must also expect lawsuits. Since every casino is a win-oriented company, they already calculate exactly that.
The calculate with XY income and only a small percentage will sue the money later again. Thus, the casino still makes a win in the respective country.
To seriously come with the moral club against players who simply exercise their right is very questionable, while casinos knowingly offer their games in countries where it is prohibited. The poor casinos, however, who then have to give a fraction of the revenue back to some players and are not allowed to keep the money for an offer that they are not allowed to offer in the respective country.
Sorry that I have to interfere again
I often read the word " your right " who defines this right ? It is my right to get back the money that was stolen from me as well as it is my right to get the truth that I paid for
Where exactly is my right when I knowingly Deposit money in a casino ? Right I can gamble and win or lose if I can the contract is fulfilled and both parties have to stick to the result if I can't for any reason then it is my right to get the money back
When I read it is your right it always seems like the casino managers stand behind the people with guns drawn and say play play play play play play when it is more like Hans Peter Wurst sits in his room and gambles to the bone and then desperately tries to find a culprit for his mistake
Also drugs are illegal in Austria can I sue the Dealer to get my money back if I buy it anyway ? Can I not? Do you realize what
Not everything you can do, you should do it with common sense
Edit : This point can also be found on almost every casino site
GambleJoe is aimed exclusively at visitors in whose current location playing in Online Casinos is legal and does not violate the law.
It is the responsibility of the visitor to inform himself about the current legal situation.
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The visitor rarely takes responsibility when he has an addiction problem. It is always the fault of others
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I think the discussion is going in completely the wrong direction here.
I think:
If you join the lawsuit and sue even a single MGA casino for damages, you are one way or another for the future out of all other casinos. I assume that they kick you shortly after registration. And they are allowed to do that. Thus, one has the "chance" to refund already lost, but will find in the future only difficult ways to satisfy his addiction further. Or rather, you have to admit to yourself that this lawsuit must actually put an end to the topic of casinos.
Moral:
I find a little awesome that here on the morals opposite OC's is insisted. On honor, self-responsibility etc.
We all know how exactly the OC's take it with these topics. At every conceivable opportunity they steal your money. They don't pay out, they insist on absurd terms and conditions, they screw you over and take every absurd law or paragraph to pay you nothing. That now exactly those are "protected" by some here in the forum, I find quite abstract - sorry. And everyone has already made such experiences
I for my part, although I am Austrian, probably will not join. There is on the list of OC's which can be sued only one which I would really like to wipe one out. "Royal Panda." Simply because they also dealt with me so violently
With all the others I just gambled and everything worked out. I also lost, but I was aware of that. I think there are differences.
gamble1 wrote on 20/02/2021 at 02:17 PM
Sorry that I have to interfere again
I read very often the word " your right " who defines this right ? It is my right to get back money that was stolen from me as well as it is my right to get the truth that I paid for
Where exactly is my right when I knowingly Deposit money in a casino ? Right I can gamble and win or lose if I can the contract is fulfilled and both parties have to stick to the result if I can't for any reason then it is my right to get the money back
When I read it is your right it always seems like the casino managers stand behind people with guns drawn and say play play play play play play when it is more like Hans Peter Wurst sits in his room and gambles until he drops and then desperately tries to find a culprit for his mistake
Also drugs are illegal in Austria can I sue the Dealer to get my money back if I buy it anyway ? Can I not? Do you realize what
Not everything you can do, you should do it with common sense
Edit : This point can also be found on almost every casino site
GambleJoe is aimed exclusively at visitors in whose current location playing in Online Casinos is legal and does not violate the law.
It is the responsibility of the visitor to inform himself about the current legal situation.
Well, I've actually written everything about it.
I also understand your point of view.
What I just don't understand is that people are so emotional about it and interpret something moral into it
As I have described, it is a business.
The casinos take that into account
And players from the respective countries use their legal possibilities, if you like the phrase better than '' use your right''.
That's just the way it is
If you want to discuss morality, then you would have to start from the beginning and ask the general question whether casinos are moral at all, then we come to the question of freedom and personal responsibility, and so on
The bottom line is this. If a casino is active in a country where there are legal possibilities for the players to sue for the money again, then it is completely logical that there will also be some players who make use of it.
Thats it. No more no less. That I then the casino is not particularly sorry, I can also openly admit
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Something else I have also not written Royal777
Check out....
"The game played is only a snapshot -and also says nothing about how long a player*in plays at all or how often someone wagers a certain amount x or re-deploys after completing the RTP.
Ultimately, the money used (thanks to the RTP) is less and less, until there is nothing left (the normal case). "
Maybe you missed it...or didn't read the small print ?
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Personally I don't care who bears the damage, I'm also not a fan of chargeback(s).
Hmm the general public bears the damage?
A former German bank boss dismissed "losses" (around 5 billion) as "peanuts".
And a few chargebacks will most likely not be noticeable in this billion dollar business, or the little bit of money that is booked back, do you really think it is more than a few peanuts for the casinos?
And as far as theft is concerned, you can of course see it as you like.
However, if a chargebacker gets right in court (that also happens) is it still theft, or was it possibly his/her right to reclaim his/her money?
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It is different, of course, when you make a win, then you are no longer sick or addicted. Then you would not run to the lawyer and say I have won money illegally, which must now be confiscated. There are such broken people.....
@thomas, just as you are allowed to express yourself, others are also allowed to have their opinion
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?
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you pay for a service, so pastime, excitement and the possibility to win something. Of course, there are always people who overdo it or are simply addicted to it, hence my question:
Can an alcoholic sue a liquor manufacturer because his money is gone, the liquor is gone and he is worse off than before?
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If an alcoholic consumes liquor and then achieves intoxication, then this intoxication is also immediately "available".
For this, the drinker doesn't have to show the beverage Dealer his pay slip, bank statement and grin photo with gas bill in his left hand...
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But the way you think is not very differentiated.
It is quite simple: The casinos know exactly in which market they operate and how the legal situation is there.
If, as for example in Austria, the casinos still offer their services, then they must also reckon with lawsuits. Since every casino is a win-oriented company, they already calculate exactly that.
The calculate with XY income and only a small percentage will sue the money later again. Thus, the casino still makes a win in the respective country.
To come seriously with the moral club against players who simply exercise their right is very questionable, while casinos knowingly offer their games in countries where it is prohibited. The poor casinos, however, who then have to give a fraction of the revenue back to some players and are not allowed to keep the money for an offer that they are not allowed to offer in the respective country
This post has been translated automatically
Class action AdvoFin - experiences?
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Sorry that I have to interfere again
I often read the word " your right " who defines this right ? It is my right to get back the money that was stolen from me as well as it is my right to get the truth that I paid for
Where exactly is my right when I knowingly Deposit money in a casino ? Right I can gamble and win or lose if I can the contract is fulfilled and both parties have to stick to the result if I can't for any reason then it is my right to get the money back
When I read it is your right it always seems like the casino managers stand behind the people with guns drawn and say play play play play play play when it is more like Hans Peter Wurst sits in his room and gambles to the bone and then desperately tries to find a culprit for his mistake
Also drugs are illegal in Austria can I sue the Dealer to get my money back if I buy it anyway ? Can I not? Do you realize what
Not everything you can do, you should do it with common sense
Edit : This point can also be found on almost every casino site
GambleJoe is aimed exclusively at visitors in whose current location playing in Online Casinos is legal and does not violate the law.
It is the responsibility of the visitor to inform himself about the current legal situation.
This post has been translated automatically
Class action AdvoFin - experiences?
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I think:
If you join the lawsuit and sue even a single MGA casino for damages, you are one way or another for the future out of all other casinos. I assume that they kick you shortly after registration. And they are allowed to do that. Thus, one has the "chance" to refund already lost, but will find in the future only difficult ways to satisfy his addiction further. Or rather, you have to admit to yourself that this lawsuit must actually put an end to the topic of casinos.
Moral:
I find a little awesome that here on the morals opposite OC's is insisted. On honor, self-responsibility etc.
We all know how exactly the OC's take it with these topics. At every conceivable opportunity they steal your money. They don't pay out, they insist on absurd terms and conditions, they screw you over and take every absurd law or paragraph to pay you nothing. That now exactly those are "protected" by some here in the forum, I find quite abstract - sorry. And everyone has already made such experiences
I for my part, although I am Austrian, probably will not join. There is on the list of OC's which can be sued only one which I would really like to wipe one out. "Royal Panda." Simply because they also dealt with me so violently
With all the others I just gambled and everything worked out. I also lost, but I was aware of that. I think there are differences.
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Well, I've actually written everything about it.
I also understand your point of view.
What I just don't understand is that people are so emotional about it and interpret something moral into it
As I have described, it is a business.
The casinos take that into account
And players from the respective countries use their legal possibilities, if you like the phrase better than '' use your right''.
That's just the way it is
If you want to discuss morality, then you would have to start from the beginning and ask the general question whether casinos are moral at all, then we come to the question of freedom and personal responsibility, and so on
The bottom line is this. If a casino is active in a country where there are legal possibilities for the players to sue for the money again, then it is completely logical that there will also be some players who make use of it.
Thats it. No more no less. That I then the casino is not particularly sorry, I can also openly admit
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