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19th Feb. 2021, at 05:46 am CET#133
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Christian1337 wrote on 02/18/2021 at 22:25 PM
Sorry, but what you talk this makes no sense at all. According to your statement a casino could not live from 10 or 20 cents (a RTP of 80-90%). Because it is only 20 cents.
The amount makes it. And besides, people don't Deposit, bet once and pay out again, but play through their money several times. And that's where the casinos make a tidy win - even with an RTP of 96%
according to your statement then state casinos also cheat or?
Because they still have to pay the employees and the commercial space.
are we talking here about state casinos or only about certain clientele....
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Class action AdvoFin - experiences?
19th Feb. 2021, at 09:44 am CET#134
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Why is a casino evil when you have so little control over yourself and keep depositing? The sense?
I've certainly spent a lot of my life on a lot of things, so what's the point of getting it back from whoever or whatever?
SeniorOle wrote on 18.02.2021 at 20:15
which service does one receive then? In the Romanian shell game, you also supposedly receive a service, but is still prohibited because it is proven fraud. You speak of one of illegality and one sentence later you call it service.
If the "service" would be regular NOT CONTROLLED gambling with RTP 95% (you also believe in Santa Claus) then you should not complain and it would not be forbidden or? Ises but now times not.
Fact is it is cheated everywhere at online casinos. Everywhere
And for all those who do not believe it, yes at RTP 96% the casino ultimately keeps only 4 cents from a 1 euro spin. From the 4 cents then employees, server fees, purchased inferior support, license fees are paid. haha
i wish the ripped off Austrian fellow sufferers much success!
A casino mediates the platform and gets for it 4%
The automats distribute money again to all participants ( yes one does not believe it they print no money again they distribute it only !!!! )
If now a person demands his money back what he has lost who should pay the damage ? I mean the money you have lost is not somewhere in a bank but is probably with a lucky player on the account
Should the casino even though they offer their service correctly and only get 4% because the rest goes back into the distribution pull the money out of your ass ? Should they vill behind the wheel of Monopoly Live open a print shop or how do you all imagine that ??
If at any point less than stated would be paid out to the players there would surely be a person somewhere who would notice this because then not only the authorities but the whole EU would be screwed
And yes it can happen that one always loses only I have even this month 3k verballert but then my money now just someone else and not the casino and that's the point that many do not understand the think all there sits a manager and bathes in your bills but that is not so
Sure adds up to the small 4% where the casino remains but that by the number of players and devices and not because there is more retained than it may
Would be really nice if it would actually work like you listed here @Gamble!
But the fact is quite different - and probably the / a casino gets sooner or later all your money.
Calculate again (at constant RTP) stake 10 euros minus 4% -what remains -4% -what then remains -4% etc....
(And my calculation would be the optimal case...which of course completely deviates from the facts or is completely unrealistic!)
And billions that are generated or tens of hundreds of millions in win do not come about because the GI keeps ONLY 4% and distributes the rest back to any players...
So in the Spielo it was completely NORMAL with me (and with all the others) that we left the booths with empty pockets again...
Even if, - let's say the RTP is under all sow ..at that time it was allegedly 60% (in the Spielo) which were distributed again.
Who of the players har then get my money (7 figures after over 30 years of gambling)?
Well, I don't know any (player) who has possibly bagged even a little bit of my money, but I know operators whose sleds and houses became bigger from year to year...
So don't be angry with me...but your calculation is so far off the mark - in my opinion also completely f**ked up.
Ichbins2018 wrote on 02/19/2021 at 11:55 AM: Would be really nice if it actually worked like you listed here @Gamble!
But the fact is completely different -and probably the/one casino will get all your money sooner or later.
Calculate again (at constant RTP) stake 10 euros minus 4% -what remains -4% -what then remains -4% etc....
(And my calculation would be the optimal case...which of course completely deviates from the facts or is completely out of touch with reality!)
And billions that are generated or tens of hundreds of millions in win do not come about because the GI keeps ONLY 4% and distributes the rest back to any players...
So in the Spielo it was completely NORMAL with me (and with all the others) that we left the booths with empty pockets again...
Even if, - let's say the RTP is under all sow ..at that time it was allegedly 60% (in the Spielo) which were distributed again.
Who of the players har then get my money (7 figures after over 30 years of gambling)?
Well, I don't know any (player) who has possibly bagged even a little bit of my money, but I know operators whose sleds and houses became bigger from year to year...
So don't be angry with me...but your calculation is so far off the mark - in my opinion it's completely f**ked up
Arcade has no quota more because what we call play only in the entertainment area is valid the only quota that is met is in the rebooking process and so it is also completely ok according to the law
There are black sheep yes and there are also casinos that cheat with fake slots but with the big manufacturers it is impossible and in addition it would be a scandal if that comes to light sooner or later
Apart from that if permanently people play these games and all these 4% lose nevertheless quite a lot of money comes together there it has no need to cheat and to Risk his name and the license
A total loss is always possible because on average 96% come back and not guaranteed after XXX spins
But it is primarily only about the numbers at the end of the month are completely legal according to the law whether it is still not to be surpassed in obvious stupidity is on another sheet see arcades in DE with their that's just entertainment
From fraud was not the speech @Gamble.
I was only about the RTP between nothing and nothing says - at best says that you can play with a higher RTP a little longer.
That a casino, however, ONLY 4% rakes in and the rest distributed again, I think it's a rumor or would be complete nonsense? The game played is only a snapshot is -and also says nothing about how long a player*in plays at all or how often someone a certain amount of x turns over or after the completion of the RTP again.
Ultimately, the money wagered (thanks to the RTP) becomes less and less, until there is nothing left (the normal case).
And a casino behaves perfectly correctly (see my example calculation) if you are completely flat at the end of a session - and the casino no other players can get something, after all /is / was / the RTP served.
And that's what casinos... live on, not on some flimsy RTP*s that only serve to keep you in mind that you can/will lose almost nothing.
With a bad run or RTP (only throw in and sink) still a few crumbs for others remain...that is then called "win".
TranceBabe wrote on 19.02.2021 at 12:20: There gambles away almost all his belongings and then wants to sue the casino because of it.
What kind of ideas people come up with is awesome. 🙄
The "one" you can make up...what the chargebackers are concerned, there are already several thousand chargebackers!
And meanwhile that already goes into the millions which is booked back there so...
Maybe it's because of them, -when the machines no longer throw anything?
Ichbins2018 wrote on 19.02.2021 at 15:03
The "one" you can make up...what the chargebackers are concerned there are already quite a few thousands of chargebackers!
And in the meantime that goes already into the millions what is booked back there so...
Maybe it's because of them, -when the machines no longer throw anything?
Sooner or later it will be because do you think the casino seriously bears the damage?
This is like the theft in the end it pays the general public a company never sits on the damage
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19th Feb. 2021, at 05:03 pm CET#142
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@IchBins2018
You made a small mistake in your calculation. It is true that the house edge is actually around 4-6%, so you are talking about an RTP of 94-96%. Still, at least players pay out their balance when it is below the deposit. Instead, you always try to make a win and this goes in the long run in the pants.
@gamble1
You see that already correctly, the casino does not bear the so-called damage of course. Instead, you have to deal with the payment Provider (your house bank) legally. Regardless of whether you get your deposits back afterwards or not, after the process you will be terminated by your bank and then it may well happen that you will not find a bank in the future.
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are we talking here about state casinos or only about certain clientele....
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I've certainly spent a lot of my life on a lot of things, so what's the point of getting it back from whoever or whatever?
After that you are then cured forever?
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A casino mediates the platform and gets for it 4%
The automats distribute money again to all participants ( yes one does not believe it they print no money again they distribute it only !!!! )
If now a person demands his money back what he has lost who should pay the damage ? I mean the money you have lost is not somewhere in a bank but is probably with a lucky player on the account
Should the casino even though they offer their service correctly and only get 4% because the rest goes back into the distribution pull the money out of your ass ? Should they vill behind the wheel of Monopoly Live open a print shop or how do you all imagine that ??
If at any point less than stated would be paid out to the players there would surely be a person somewhere who would notice this because then not only the authorities but the whole EU would be screwed
And yes it can happen that one always loses only I have even this month 3k verballert but then my money now just someone else and not the casino and that's the point that many do not understand the think all there sits a manager and bathes in your bills but that is not so
Sure adds up to the small 4% where the casino remains but that by the number of players and devices and not because there is more retained than it may
That was then again enough Internet for today
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But the fact is quite different - and probably the / a casino gets sooner or later all your money.
Calculate again (at constant RTP) stake 10 euros minus 4% -what remains -4% -what then remains -4% etc....
(And my calculation would be the optimal case...which of course completely deviates from the facts or is completely unrealistic!)
And billions that are generated or tens of hundreds of millions in win do not come about because the GI keeps ONLY 4% and distributes the rest back to any players...
So in the Spielo it was completely NORMAL with me (and with all the others) that we left the booths with empty pockets again...
Even if, - let's say the RTP is under all sow ..at that time it was allegedly 60% (in the Spielo) which were distributed again.
Who of the players har then get my money (7 figures after over 30 years of gambling)?
Well, I don't know any (player) who has possibly bagged even a little bit of my money, but I know operators whose sleds and houses became bigger from year to year...
So don't be angry with me...but your calculation is so far off the mark - in my opinion also completely f**ked up.
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Arcade has no quota more because what we call play only in the entertainment area is valid the only quota that is met is in the rebooking process and so it is also completely ok according to the law
There are black sheep yes and there are also casinos that cheat with fake slots but with the big manufacturers it is impossible and in addition it would be a scandal if that comes to light sooner or later
Apart from that if permanently people play these games and all these 4% lose nevertheless quite a lot of money comes together there it has no need to cheat and to Risk his name and the license
A total loss is always possible because on average 96% come back and not guaranteed after XXX spins
But it is primarily only about the numbers at the end of the month are completely legal according to the law whether it is still not to be surpassed in obvious stupidity is on another sheet see arcades in DE with their that's just entertainment
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The ideas people come up with are really cool. 🙄
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I was only about the RTP between nothing and nothing says - at best says that you can play with a higher RTP a little longer.
That a casino, however, ONLY 4% rakes in and the rest distributed again, I think it's a rumor or would be complete nonsense? The game played is only a snapshot is -and also says nothing about how long a player*in plays at all or how often someone a certain amount of x turns over or after the completion of the RTP again.
Ultimately, the money wagered (thanks to the RTP) becomes less and less, until there is nothing left (the normal case).
And a casino behaves perfectly correctly (see my example calculation) if you are completely flat at the end of a session - and the casino no other players can get something, after all /is / was / the RTP served.
And that's what casinos... live on, not on some flimsy RTP*s that only serve to keep you in mind that you can/will lose almost nothing.
With a bad run or RTP (only throw in and sink) still a few crumbs for others remain...that is then called "win".
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The "one" you can make up...what the chargebackers are concerned, there are already several thousand chargebackers!
And meanwhile that already goes into the millions which is booked back there so...
Maybe it's because of them, -when the machines no longer throw anything?
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Sooner or later it will be because do you think the casino seriously bears the damage?
This is like the theft in the end it pays the general public a company never sits on the damage
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You made a small mistake in your calculation. It is true that the house edge is actually around 4-6%, so you are talking about an RTP of 94-96%. Still, at least players pay out their balance when it is below the deposit. Instead, you always try to make a win and this goes in the long run in the pants.
@gamble1
You see that already correctly, the casino does not bear the so-called damage of course. Instead, you have to deal with the payment Provider (your house bank) legally. Regardless of whether you get your deposits back afterwards or not, after the process you will be terminated by your bank and then it may well happen that you will not find a bank in the future.
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