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so I am here in the forum rather the silent and anonymous mitleser I have read the article just at this moment and now I feel compelled to write here what
First to me as I said am here in the forum rather someone who reads anonymously without login and writes no or rather fewer contributions. If I do that then it must already bubble in me when reading or trigger me emotionally somehow that I also want to give my input. I play actively mainly slots & Poker online or in land-based casinos. But I am a very active Twitch stream viewer and know the complete scene not only in Germany, I also run a medium-sized website in terms of traffic. This website has nothing to do with gambling, casino or eGaming industry but I also have some casino advertising ADDs on my site, which also convert good sales
I.e. I am active as an Affiliate, not with the main focus casinos but also have deals with larger brands. I was also already on casino affiliate conferences and thus know insider and of course also the one or other casino affiliate manager or Streamer personally. And thus already have an idea what and how it runs behind the scenes / looks like.
Since here is tried in the worst way of Royal777 to deny the streamer, which I have been following for years. So, of course, as you already guessed it is mainly about online casino tube, I generally follow the whole scene on Twitch actively not only OCT the other from royal777 genanngen streamer I do not know.
Therefore I refer to Onlinecasinotube.
I have also followed the contribution which was posted here with Quasar Gaming + OCT and that was already explained by Max in the live streams often and proved that it was then a part of his affiliate commissions, which he has agreed to be paid directly to his casino account. Why did he say in the said video "OK I PAY ONCE AGAIN" of course it is no secret that he earns money with the casino affiliates
So he has used the strategy not to mention this publicly, that he has a part of his earned commissions paid directly to his player account. That's why it was also credit without bonus, by the way, but today he deals with his commissions and casino deals openly and transparently live in the stream. I mean everyone who has not fallen on his head can probably think so.
TODAY in the HERE & NOW: If you would look actively into the streams the last months / years at OCT pure and not on this years past ONCE!!!, old incident would ride around again and again, which is not even proven. With the aim to make as much trouble as possible and above all to harm the streamers, so to do character assassination which is punishable in Germany by the way
To make allegations without proof.
Criminal Code (StGB)
§ 186 Defamation
Any person who, in relation to another, alleges or disseminates a fact which is likely to bring him into contempt or to disparage him in public opinion shall, unless such fact is demonstrably true, be liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding one year or to a monetary penalty and, if the offence is committed in public or by dissemination of writings (Section 11(3)), to a custodial sentence not exceeding two years or to a monetary penalty.
also:
§ 187 Defamation
Whoever, against his better knowledge, alleges or disseminates an untrue fact in relation to another, which is likely to make the latter contemptible or to degrade him in public opinion or to endanger his credit, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine and, if the offence is committed in public, at a meeting or by dissemination of writings (Section 11(3)), with imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or a fine.
I.e. if, then you must formulate it as assumption and not represent it as fact without proof, which you do not supply
"QUOTE ROYAL777:
Of course there are also streamers who do not play with real money, this includes eg Casinokiller97,Onlinecasinostube and probably 2-3 other German streamers."
Also, apparently, you don't have an actual picture of the OCT streams, because there is definitely not played with fake money. What I wanted to say if you would make a picture of the reality of the OCT crew, in the here and now (just look in the streams or watch the VOD) you could also make a comment here, which the readers here can take seriously. And not just to put someone in a bad picture or to deny, character assassination and defamation to operate.
Furthermore what you are doing here is for me very clear and extremely unfair to the Gamblejoe.com crew (community) , which is why I also do not understand why this is not better moderated by Gamblejoe.com. Not all readers here of the Gamblejoe.com community are as deep in the Streamer Twitch matter as we both!
Your intention: to mislead the active readers of this post. You aim to put these streamers for whatever reason in a bad image and to damage their business = business damage (also punishable)
Well apparently you have a personal problem with the streamers which you name or OCT (for whatever reason) And write here constantly that would stream with fake money. Because of an incomprehensible incident over 3 years ago, to which he has already commented many times. (SEE ABOVE)
Also, to your "PROOF" and you always post the same link... from 3 years ago:
Before the German law, "Every person accused of a criminal offense shall be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial in which all the conditions necessary for his defense were guaranteed. " According to Art. 14 para.
Well in this case there is no criminal act (if then only partially) but of course the whole thing will not go to court in a public trial. However, what I want to say: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ACCUSATIONS AGAINST SAID STREAMERS? And above all actual evidence. Otherwise, please refrain from slander and character assassination + misleading. Otherwise I will file a complaint. In addition, I will write to Online Casino Tube and ask them whether they have already read here and what they think of it, how they deal with your statements and what their plan is.
One more thing,
I always find Gamblejoe.com very active, correct and professionally moderated. In this case here specifically this thread, however, the mods have been somewhat asleep, as while some comments have been removed for privacy reasons, the defamation/slander/cALL MURDER has not. Since it is really about a lot of money, about companies or the streamer because of me also individual entrepreneurs and Gamblejoe.com as a serious serious site acts this thread should be deleted or moderated again. My opinion.
Lastly, there are many more streamers who obviously (in my opinion) really play with fake money and above all have a huge much larger reach. Find a pity that you do not comment on this. There are some streamers (also German) with more than 500 up to 10,000 average viewers on Twitch. There is even real evidence that is still accessible and public for everyone LIVE. E.g. on Youtube
I find it really funny that you do not comment on these streamers. I will not post links here because I do not want to p**s on anyone's leg personally and as I said not looking for trouble. Especially not with such great streamers! Who wants to see such videos can just google yourself. Or search on Youtube Fakemoney Streamer or something else.
I would like to inform the operators and moderators of this site that I have this post: https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/affiliates-eure-meinung-142127/2/ completely documented and recorded. At any time in the future for whatever reason can fall back on it. Also, I will try to write personally onlinecasinotube and ask if they have already read this and what is their statement about it. If I have new info I will write here.
Until then - All the best to all here also you Royal777
puh... finally I am rid of my anger. And my time also kappa
Good luck still cu.
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Now seriously does anyone think seriously that a single Streamer thinks about what his audience is concerned
These people run companies in let's say entertainment and no banks it will be about money but the amounts are likely to be in the manageable range and that by a statement in a forum an extreme business damaging reaction is brought about I heard for highly unlikely or at least for very difficult to prove even impossible because the gamer + streamer area is still rather relatively small and in relation to this forum here even much smaller
This is already noticeable alone in the daily Discussiert about various violations but still new people come who have no idea of it although everything is chewed through for years
Apart from that also negative headlines are worth cash money because one remains in spite of everything in the conversation therefore some will think twice whether he undertakes something against a statement in a forum because if there is something what the public has more than someone who writes bad things in forums then it is someone who leads a company and immediately comes with the legal club if a person meaningless for the company has something posted in a forum
Best example of the Wendler some like him some hate him but when he wanted to sue an older gentleman some time ago because of an alleged violation of his rights he was torn apart in public and by the media
So I think you exaggerate a bit with your answer but no offense I just wanted to get rid of
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Actually I had expected that your post will be deleted again, but okay... I have a few questions !
But since I still want to make a bun today I'm particularly short.
1) Why should we believe you more than Royal777 ?
2) You have deals with bigger brands - What kind ? (If we already have an insider here)
3) Do you really think your close contacts to streamers, insiders or casino managers make you more credible ?
4) You are obviously a big fan of the law - what do you or your streamers think about §284(4), the advertising ban for public gambling ? Or §5 of the Telemediengesetz or §55 RStV ( Provider identification / imprint obligation) this leads me directly to the next question:
5) Are you a hobby lawyer specializing in slotstreamers ?
6) If you actually write to OCT, could you ask him to turn on the facecam ? We don't want to be taken in by a minor again, and then maybe we can see real emotions - that's what Twitch is all about.
7) You ask Royal for proof - can you prove that said streamers really play with real money ? You don't want to prove that Royals favorites are fake.
8) Do you think that the saying "one crow doesn't peck out another's eye" is still valid in the slot streaming scene?
I look forward to the answers and also all the best to you *wink*
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There is of course need for explanation on a whole other level I have not even thought of super questions I must say
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Hi Latino,
Why should my post be deleted? I thought here is freedom of speech and I have not attacked anyone and also did not violate the forum rules.
I will gladly answer your questions to the best of my knowledge
1. More "believe" in relation to what? I have not posted here to defend Online Casino Tube directly or to prove anything to anyone. The OCT people and especially maximum use certainly also have their quirks who knows the knows some of his lifestyle... only nevertheless, I follow and I watch the Max just like. Their videos and streams I find with the most interesting and authentic what is currently running around on Twitch DE slots and vorallen it is not always just about pure slotten that appeals to me. Believe me here no one I have extra always said my opinion. And I am an active viewer and you can see, if you deal longer with streamers and streams where is played with no withdraw money and where not. In addition, I have insider information and meanwhile already a small list, which casinos e.g. Fake Stream money give to each random player, with which it is more difficult and with which casinos there is not soetwas.
2. Well, as I said, just like everyone else, you can register with the casinos as a partner, and then you can negotiate a deal. I currently have the best results with Wildz and the new brand of Rootz ltd = Caxino. Things are going well there. Also I have some other casinos like Leo Vegas and many more which I promote. I certainly don't earn the big bucks with it but it is a nice side income. Just like many of my other adds on my website.
3. I did not want to say that. But only that I have more insight into the business model and in my opinion I can make a better idea of how it works.
4. I am not a "big" fan of the law. As far as I know, it applies in Germany. I don't know where the streamers have registered their residences or businesses. For sure there are some streamers who stream in Germany and run a company abroad so far I'm not in there. Many live in Malta, as you can see from well-known examples
5. What makes you think no I find it underground and inhumane the behavior of Royal and I just wanted to say that. Because he makes on right and wrong but on various streamers over and over again rumhackt. Also, he shares a false image for many ignorant.
6. That's why you can ask him yourself but if you are interested ? "We do not want to go again a minor on the glue" you allude to Calvin from CT24 ?
7. So either I misspoke or you misunderstood me. First of all, what are Royals favorites ? I don't know his favorites and I never said that any of the streamers he hyped are fake. I have never mentioned a name of any Streamer here that is supposed to be fake and I won't, I said everyone can do their own research
I have not asked him for it. In addition, he has as it seems no evidence. But refers again and again only to an old thread which is not even proofed. What I'm asking him is to stop denying streamers because of personal problems he seems to have with them.
8. I have never wanted to and have never "pecked an eye out of anyone here."
Do you have any questions? Is something still unclear ?
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I think you are not completely wrong. I said yes am before no one who otherwise writes great.
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They make their money from it and it's okay. I also see it more as a play than the harsh reality
Now to come here and defend streamers I find absurd.
But what I think is dangerous is people who are 18 or in their early 20s being motivated to sign up via the streamers' links. Because they sell something other than what they really represent
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I remember well how "Maximaleinsatz" tried from the beginning to generate money from his viewers, his small reach, by selling or trying to sell books / PDFs about "game strategies"
In addition, his countless videos where early on it was clear to see that he is an alcoholic and was often barely or not at all sane
I don't want to mention more points now and most of his crazy actions may have been before his "Twitch" time, but that there are people who find him unbelievable and make that known, I can absolutely understand
Serious is definitely different
Greetings to the round.
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Good morning all,
so slowly it makes me even fun to comment here publicly and actively. So you certainly mean the Slot machine guide, which was never published or sold because in the free test version all content was already shared the video gibts still on youtube I'm looking for it for you out... there is also a statement that the guide is not sold also wants to revise the I've looked at the complete more often then and today again and find the really well done. Small range? I find at this point quite relative.
At the time he had more clicks on youtube daily than and more traffic than today 2020 has every video was directly high in the charts. So for me this is at least medium large reach vorallen since the target audience is exactly hit. Germany + interest slots. So he never "tried" to sell any book. And if he had sold it would have been okay because it is, if you look at the video times about transparent information on gaming behavior and not about any tricks. as I said link I can look up think the video has over 100,000 views can be found so on youtube.
He has always shared openly with his addictions with the audience this realtalk is exactly one of the points why I like to watch maximaleinsatz most because it is simply authentic and real
I can of course understand that people who are not as deep in the material as I find him unbelievable, but if you really look into it, you will see that he is one of the most credible
I think because he is an alcoholic, that is not a point to say that he is untrustworthy. There are many addictions today and you can't put all addicts in the same box. But I didn't understand that you meant he was unbelievably worthy because he was an alcoholic. But you have also written you can understand that there are people.
well in any case, I have no more desire to play here the defender of oct especially since I have the feeling he has no bock on it and to talk about people who are not present is also assi in this sense I'm passive again for now
do it well
Tolga
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