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Daniel wrote on 09.01.2018 at 14:16
locke2kk wrote on 09.01.2018 at 12:39 pm: well as I said, if you are addicted to gambling and can not turn it off... the Spielothek or the pub around the corner is still the best solution I think Spielbank/Online you will lose just much more ... because if you win 10k cashst du also again easy times 2-3k in one day.90% of players who gamble high anyway everything again, you take Matthias as an example.if he wins times 20 K, then he would not buy anything from it ... but probably rather the minus on the credit card Dispo business account, etc. to balance ... so in the end he has won nothing and I think he will not buy anything "great" from it .Is unfortunately normal as an addicted gambler and that's a lot more than you think ...
I honestly don't understand this argumentation. You first have to win 10K and that will hardly happen to you with normal stakes in Online Casinos and in gambling houses certainly not. And I also don't understand the argument that you lose less. I have also managed in the past to spend 1,500 € in one day and most players are around 1,500 € the monthly income including rent. Sure online you can theoretically lose it if you gamble with 100€ / spin in a minute. But in the end it doesn't matter if the money is gone in a minute or in a day. You still have a lot of month left which you then have to survive. Online and in the casino but had at least the small chance to clean up properly, not in the gaming house.
My maximum winnings in the casino were once 2.500€, while I gambled away 30.000€ of savings within 2 -3 months. And that was at the end of 2008 / beginning of 2009 when the machines were still running and my addiction career began. I didn't play on 10 machines at the same time, but I started in a pub with 3 machines. Mostly I started with 30 cents and then worked my way up and played 2 boxes at the same time. Rarely also times all three. But I must admit that I really gambled like a madman during that time.
That's at least my personal opinion and view on the subject of gaming arcades or online casinos or casinos.
So and now comes my theory, you would have played in the casino then you would have lost your 20-30k in the first month and if you had then won fat you would have gambled away even more .I'm just about that no "gambling addict" something meaningful with profits makes no matter whether it 500 euro or 50000 euro win are... he invests it back in gambling and another 20% more ..I find casino and online casinos just dangerous because you can lose extremely much in a short time .
locke2kk wrote on 09.01.2018 at 12:39 pm: well as I said, if you are addicted to gambling and can't turn it off... the gambling house or the pub around the corner is still the best solution I think Spielbank/Online you will just lose a lot more ... because if you win 10k you cash in again easy times 2-3k in a day.90% of players who gamble high anyway everything again, you take Matthias as an example.if he wins times 20 K, then he would not buy anything from it ... but probably rather the minus on the credit card Dispo business account, etc. to balance ... so in the end he has won nothing and I think he will not buy anything "great" from it .Is unfortunately normal as an addicted gambler and that's a lot more than you think ...
I honestly don't understand this argumentation. You first have to win 10K and that will hardly happen to you with normal stakes in Online Casinos and in gambling houses certainly not. And I also don't understand the argument that you lose less. I have also managed in the past to spend 1,500 € in one day and most players are around 1,500 € the monthly income including rent. Sure online you can theoretically lose it if you gamble with 100€ / spin in a minute. But in the end it doesn't matter if the money is gone in a minute or in a day. You still have a lot of month left which you then have to survive. Online and in the casino but had at least the small chance to clean up properly, not in the gaming house.
My maximum winnings in the casino were once 2.500€, while I gambled away 30.000€ of savings within 2 -3 months. And that was at the end of 2008 / beginning of 2009 when the machines were still running and my addiction career began. I didn't play on 10 machines at the same time, but I started in a pub with 3 machines. Mostly I started with 30 cents and then worked my way up and played 2 boxes at the same time. Rarely also times all three. But I must admit that I really gambled like a madman during that time.
That's at least my personal opinion and view on the subject of gaming arcades or online casinos or casinos.
So and now comes my theory, you would have played in the casino then you would have lost your 20-30k in the first month and if you had then won fat you would have gambled away even more .I'm just about that no "gambling addict" something meaningful with profits makes no matter whether it 500 euro or 50000 euro win are... he invests it back in gambling and another 20% more ..I find casino and online casinos just dangerous because you can lose extremely much in a short time .
Exactly so it is you gamble the money anyway again but in the Spielo you can not lose so much money in such a short time as online, so online gambling is already dangerous especially if you have Paypal.
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10th Jan. 2018, at 01:31 am CET#13
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The topic of Spielo vs. OC is a controversial one. I think that everyone involved is right in their own way. It is a question of principle. I have to do with the matter privately and professionally.
The fact is, when you gamble you lose in the long run, so money is left everywhere. That should be clear to everyone. I always resist a bit to call certain forms of gambling "better", when I see my private loss balances, I have in Spielos the best win/loss balance, then come by far OCs and then finally the casinos.
For me, in the end, Spielo has emerged as the best way to play for me. I like to play high and in Online Casinos and physical casinos the limits just break my back. If I gamble with 50 EUR or more per spin/game then an immense amount of money is lost in no time. Sure I could win 50 or 100K but lose much easier. I was last year often in the casino or play online and there were almost always in 1-2 hours 1-3K lost. Even if you are very wealthy, these loss rates are problematic. Therefore I decided against it.
In Spielos the legislation in Germany is the problem. The crap with the maximum amounts per hour, the booking, it's all complete crap and due to the incompetence of politics and partly also the industry. It's as simple as that.
But if you take note of that and put up with it, you can also have fun in the Spielo. I always play only 1-2 EUR per spin, sometimes I have bad luck and lose and since I play several devices, are then always 2-300 EUR per hour gone, but again and again I get with a 50 also 1-2K, or often it goes so, one throws 4-500 purely and then comes a win in the amount and one is plus minus zero. Since you can recently also lock in Spielos, a certain Player protection is also given. For me personally, this is a better way to play. I know that I will never win big and whoever gambles with this approach is naive anyway, because this is exactly the illusion casinos lure people with. I just want to keep my losses, which I see as entertainment costs, in a frame. With my budget of 1-2K a month, depending on how much time I have, I can high roll in Spielos relatively stress free. And then when the Gambling addiction comes through, I'm sometimes glad for the curfew or the booking breaks. In a real casino, you can push one 500 EUR bill after another into the machines, and online the only limit is that of the credit card and the overdraft facility and, above all, the easy availability at home, from the cell phone, etc. This is too risky for me and my annual balance sheets unfortunately back up this experience.
If someone has discipline and says 20 or 50 EUR and no more and has fun playing, he definitely fares better in the online casino than in the Spielo, because there you do not get very far with low rolls. I definitely do not recommend casinos to anyone, there you are fleeced for everything you have.
This is my personal opinion, everyone must decide for themselves.
Thanks for the interesting post, chmi77, which got me thinking. For a rather "cozy" person who likes to sit at the computer sometimes, the OCs are unfortunately a great temptation. Since I hit a "jackpot" twice, this hope is also still in the background…In my own apartment, protected from wind and weather, I then feel somehow at home even in a virtual casino, in the background you can see other names that have won and thus give the impression of reality. Like you, I tend to play high and can hardly resist the incredible temptation to occasionally dial 20 or 25 euros. If one needs this stimulus, 2 euros in the Spielo could also replace this if necessary. Unfortunately, some factors such as smoke, noise, sometimes annoying people, waiting, etc. bother me a bit; moreover, after a move in this area, I no longer know a good arcade. Greetings
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10th Jan. 2018, at 12:18 pm CET#15
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i think the factor that you can win effectively in the SPielo at the devices to some extent already something back is a big factor why Spielo if you make long sessions not so strongly marked by losses. There are also eating phases there that completely pull down your pants..but those on the internet/game bank can be very very much awesome .Alone because you have no booking breaks etc..
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10th Jan. 2018, at 01:18 pm CET#16
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TonioKroeger wrote on 10/01/2018 at 07:29: Thanks for the interesting post, chmi77, which got me thinking. For a more "leisurely" person who likes to sit at the computer sometimes, OCs are unfortunately a great temptation. Since I hit a "jackpot" twice, this hope is also still in the background…In my own apartment, protected from wind and weather, I then feel somehow at home even in a virtual casino, in the background you can see other names that have won and thus give the impression of reality. Like you, I tend to play high and can hardly resist the incredible temptation to occasionally dial 20 or 25 euros. If one needs this stimulus, 2 euros in the Spielo could also replace this if necessary. Unfortunately, some factors such as smoke, noise, sometimes annoying people, waiting, etc. bother me a bit; moreover, after a move in this area, I no longer know a good arcade. Greetings
Smoking has generally been banned in arcades for a few years now, so smoke shouldn't be there except in case of fire. Noise has in casinos and Spielos always conditioned by the machines but also here there are differences depending on how the Spielo is structurally designed and how many guests are there.
As far as the audience is concerned, it's like in pubs, there are proper and speakeasies. You have to find the right place for you, where the ensemble fits. It's the same with Spielos.
If you gamble high, you also have decent chances in Spielos, because the cycles are shorter at the machines. Of course you can't win 50K EUR but you can, if you have some money, Max beds for hours without fear of going broke. I always play BOR and have also often had 4 and sometimes 5 explorers on high stakes and won 2-10K, is also a nice money. And if I sometimes win high and have to wait for the booking then I just Merkur devices zocke on Centeinsätzen and play only the Risk ladder.
On the subject of drinks 1 EUR, that's the law in most states, they have to charge that, everything used to be free, even snacks and dgl. But the state has stopped all this to "curb gambling addiction", meaning you should not feel too comfortable and there should be no "incentives through food and drink". This is the kind of moronic policy we have in Germany.
The fluctuations in the Spielo are just not as violent as online. If I Deposit 500 EUR online and play with 10 EUR per spin and it doesn't work, the money is gone in 10 minutes. That happened to me often and I don't feel like it anymore. That's why I play in the arcade, where I can play 1 and 2 EUR without fear of mega losses. Of course, I have often lost 500 and 1000 or more, but I have also won.
You can lose anywhere, but the question is whether the amount of loss and speed are compatible with the budget for your hobby. Therefore for me decision for the Spielo, but it must each for itself honestly decide. Neither one nor the other is definitely better or worse than the other. When gambling online it has always haunted me when I had e.g. on 1-2 EUR Super FS and I thought to myself, how would that have been good on 20 or more EUR stake, then you increase the stake and of course nothing goes and about the virtual Table games and Live Casino I think we need at least not talk.
And a super advantage has offline gaming. If you lose, you can give the dirty machine a nice fist bump and with a little practice, the disc is not immediately broken.
@Locke2kk If I had gambled away the 30,000€ in one month and not in 3 months, I would have been in therapy faster. You usually don't stop until it's too late anyway.
I think it varies from person to person. For addicted gamblers who earn a lot of money like you or Matthias, gambling houses are of course "better" and casinos and Online Casinos are more dangerous. But the problem is that high rollers go to casinos anyway, because the incentive is simply not there. But players who earn a lot would be the only ones to benefit from player protection.
Players with normal income, who only live from month to month and are usually broke anyway on the 2nd day by gambling, should in my opinion better play online. As a normal gambler you usually also gamble online with 20 cents, 30 cents or 50 cents and then work your way up like in Spielo. That's how I've always done it and I've done much better with it for a long time.
What just occurs to me as I write this is that such a dream Big Win as I had in early 2015 may not be such a good thing. Actually, it completely changed my gambling behavior and also increased my addiction and loss of control. Since that time, bets under 1€ are no longer exciting ...
Edit: @chim77 that with the smoking ban differs from state to state. In Baden Württemberg I can smoke in almost every arcade as I am funny.
Daniel wrote on 10/01/2018 at 13:59: @Locke2kk If I had gambled away the 30,000€ in a month back then and not in 3 months, I would have been in therapy faster. You usually don't stop anyway until it's all too late.
I think it varies from person to person. For addicted gamblers who earn a lot of money like you or Matthias, gambling houses are of course "better" and casinos and Online Casinos are more dangerous. But the problem is that high rollers go to casinos anyway, because the incentive is simply not there. But players who earn a lot would be the only ones to benefit from player protection.
Players with normal income, who only live from month to month and are usually broke anyway on the 2nd day by gambling, should in my opinion better play online. As a normal gambler you usually also gamble online with 20 cents, 30 cents or 50 cents and then work your way up like in Spielo. That's how I've always done it and I've done much better with it for a long time.
What just occurs to me as I write this is that such a dream Big Win as I had in early 2015 may not be such a good thing. Actually, it completely changed my gambling behavior and also increased my addiction and loss of control. Since that time, bets under 1€ are no longer exciting ...
Edit: @chim77 that with the smoking ban differs from state to state. In Baden Württemberg I can smoke in almost every arcade as I am funny.
That's right in Bavaria is fortunately smoking ban and I think that's good.
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What just occurred to me as I write this is that such a dream Big Win as I had in early 2015 may not be such a good thing. Actually, it completely changed my gambling behavior and also increased my addiction and loss of control. Since that time, bets under 1€ are no longer exciting ...
daniel that's exactly what I mean, if you win a lot online you have nothing of it it will only get worse... and in the end you gamble away the win +20% it's really just about the Losing streaks online as in the casino can be extreme and let's be honest who goes with 150 euros in the Spielo... the online will not only Deposit 20 euros... gambling in itself is not good and it should also make everyone as he thinks.but eg to go into the Spielo can help you again to be happy about small wins (100-500 euro).online you just click on the and think yes runs now set high and 10min later everything is gone .if I have a machine inside Spielo 200-300 on it I think much more likely whether I continue to gamble or Auszahle, etc.. Online I just always think of the wins I've already had (2-25k...) so I would only pay out so from 2000..in the Spielo I think but, hey the machine has given 500 that's already good for the box.Online denkste... well then we go times on 5 euros ... or 10 euros..and that unfortunately also make all the Low Roller so...people with little income usually do not pay out 100 euros because they think of all the losses then...
Gambling in itself is not good, I for my part have also only managed to keep it at a good level through my wife.I just transfer 70-80% of my salary to her account and the rest is there to gamble.... sad but was.I personally have no relation to money more... got me last as I bought me with us in the Schnapps store ne 200 euro bottle of whiskey and the just so with Coke have drunk... >. < I like to drink whiskey... and yes I know COla is a sin...
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So and now comes my theory, you would have played in the casino then you would have lost your 20-30k in the first month and if you had then won fat you would have gambled away even more .I'm just about that no "gambling addict" something meaningful with profits makes no matter whether it 500 euro or 50000 euro win are... he invests it back in gambling and another 20% more ..I find casino and online casinos just dangerous because you can lose extremely much in a short time .
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Exactly so it is you gamble the money anyway again but in the Spielo you can not lose so much money in such a short time as online, so online gambling is already dangerous especially if you have Paypal.
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The fact is, when you gamble you lose in the long run, so money is left everywhere. That should be clear to everyone. I always resist a bit to call certain forms of gambling "better", when I see my private loss balances, I have in Spielos the best win/loss balance, then come by far OCs and then finally the casinos.
For me, in the end, Spielo has emerged as the best way to play for me. I like to play high and in Online Casinos and physical casinos the limits just break my back. If I gamble with 50 EUR or more per spin/game then an immense amount of money is lost in no time. Sure I could win 50 or 100K but lose much easier. I was last year often in the casino or play online and there were almost always in 1-2 hours 1-3K lost. Even if you are very wealthy, these loss rates are problematic. Therefore I decided against it.
In Spielos the legislation in Germany is the problem. The crap with the maximum amounts per hour, the booking, it's all complete crap and due to the incompetence of politics and partly also the industry. It's as simple as that.
But if you take note of that and put up with it, you can also have fun in the Spielo. I always play only 1-2 EUR per spin, sometimes I have bad luck and lose and since I play several devices, are then always 2-300 EUR per hour gone, but again and again I get with a 50 also 1-2K, or often it goes so, one throws 4-500 purely and then comes a win in the amount and one is plus minus zero. Since you can recently also lock in Spielos, a certain Player protection is also given. For me personally, this is a better way to play. I know that I will never win big and whoever gambles with this approach is naive anyway, because this is exactly the illusion casinos lure people with. I just want to keep my losses, which I see as entertainment costs, in a frame. With my budget of 1-2K a month, depending on how much time I have, I can high roll in Spielos relatively stress free. And then when the Gambling addiction comes through, I'm sometimes glad for the curfew or the booking breaks. In a real casino, you can push one 500 EUR bill after another into the machines, and online the only limit is that of the credit card and the overdraft facility and, above all, the easy availability at home, from the cell phone, etc. This is too risky for me and my annual balance sheets unfortunately back up this experience.
If someone has discipline and says 20 or 50 EUR and no more and has fun playing, he definitely fares better in the online casino than in the Spielo, because there you do not get very far with low rolls. I definitely do not recommend casinos to anyone, there you are fleeced for everything you have.
This is my personal opinion, everyone must decide for themselves.
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Smoking has generally been banned in arcades for a few years now, so smoke shouldn't be there except in case of fire. Noise has in casinos and Spielos always conditioned by the machines but also here there are differences depending on how the Spielo is structurally designed and how many guests are there.
As far as the audience is concerned, it's like in pubs, there are proper and speakeasies. You have to find the right place for you, where the ensemble fits. It's the same with Spielos.
If you gamble high, you also have decent chances in Spielos, because the cycles are shorter at the machines. Of course you can't win 50K EUR but you can, if you have some money, Max beds for hours without fear of going broke. I always play BOR and have also often had 4 and sometimes 5 explorers on high stakes and won 2-10K, is also a nice money. And if I sometimes win high and have to wait for the booking then I just Merkur devices zocke on Centeinsätzen and play only the Risk ladder.
On the subject of drinks 1 EUR, that's the law in most states, they have to charge that, everything used to be free, even snacks and dgl. But the state has stopped all this to "curb gambling addiction", meaning you should not feel too comfortable and there should be no "incentives through food and drink". This is the kind of moronic policy we have in Germany.
The fluctuations in the Spielo are just not as violent as online. If I Deposit 500 EUR online and play with 10 EUR per spin and it doesn't work, the money is gone in 10 minutes. That happened to me often and I don't feel like it anymore. That's why I play in the arcade, where I can play 1 and 2 EUR without fear of mega losses. Of course, I have often lost 500 and 1000 or more, but I have also won.
You can lose anywhere, but the question is whether the amount of loss and speed are compatible with the budget for your hobby. Therefore for me decision for the Spielo, but it must each for itself honestly decide. Neither one nor the other is definitely better or worse than the other. When gambling online it has always haunted me when I had e.g. on 1-2 EUR Super FS and I thought to myself, how would that have been good on 20 or more EUR stake, then you increase the stake and of course nothing goes and about the virtual Table games and Live Casino I think we need at least not talk.
And a super advantage has offline gaming. If you lose, you can give the dirty machine a nice fist bump and with a little practice, the disc is not immediately broken.
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I think it varies from person to person. For addicted gamblers who earn a lot of money like you or Matthias, gambling houses are of course "better" and casinos and Online Casinos are more dangerous. But the problem is that high rollers go to casinos anyway, because the incentive is simply not there. But players who earn a lot would be the only ones to benefit from player protection.
Players with normal income, who only live from month to month and are usually broke anyway on the 2nd day by gambling, should in my opinion better play online. As a normal gambler you usually also gamble online with 20 cents, 30 cents or 50 cents and then work your way up like in Spielo. That's how I've always done it and I've done much better with it for a long time.
What just occurs to me as I write this is that such a dream Big Win as I had in early 2015 may not be such a good thing. Actually, it completely changed my gambling behavior and also increased my addiction and loss of control. Since that time, bets under 1€ are no longer exciting ...
Edit: @chim77 that with the smoking ban differs from state to state. In Baden Württemberg I can smoke in almost every arcade as I am funny.
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That's right in Bavaria is fortunately smoking ban and I think that's good.
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What just occurred to me as I write this is that such a dream Big Win as I had in early 2015 may not be such a good thing. Actually, it completely changed my gambling behavior and also increased my addiction and loss of control. Since that time, bets under 1€ are no longer exciting ...
daniel that's exactly what I mean, if you win a lot online you have nothing of it it will only get worse... and in the end you gamble away the win +20% it's really just about the Losing streaks online as in the casino can be extreme and let's be honest who goes with 150 euros in the Spielo... the online will not only Deposit 20 euros... gambling in itself is not good and it should also make everyone as he thinks.but eg to go into the Spielo can help you again to be happy about small wins (100-500 euro).online you just click on the and think yes runs now set high and 10min later everything is gone .if I have a machine inside Spielo 200-300 on it I think much more likely whether I continue to gamble or Auszahle, etc.. Online I just always think of the wins I've already had (2-25k...) so I would only pay out so from 2000..in the Spielo I think but, hey the machine has given 500 that's already good for the box.Online denkste... well then we go times on 5 euros ... or 10 euros..and that unfortunately also make all the Low Roller so...people with little income usually do not pay out 100 euros because they think of all the losses then...
Gambling in itself is not good, I for my part have also only managed to keep it at a good level through my wife.I just transfer 70-80% of my salary to her account and the rest is there to gamble.... sad but was.I personally have no relation to money more... got me last as I bought me with us in the Schnapps store ne 200 euro bottle of whiskey and the just so with Coke have drunk... >. < I like to drink whiskey... and yes I know COla is a sin...
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