When I read that the education has failed here or something similar
What should the parents do?
The boy is 16 and already brings a certain maturity with it as you can see. And then still to write there must intervene the youth welfare office and the police?
Tell me, is it still going on?
Dear bone, in your upbringing has probably gone wrong
One must give the young people generous freedom otherwise life does not run and is in my opinion also in no way to monitor.
Many act as if they had not made any mistakes in their youth and present themselves as moralizers.
Fact is he has played although he is not allowed to. Whether knowingly or not.
The other fact is, if the casino does not require prior Verification due to their terms and conditions, they are obligated to refund the money to the boy.
If I were Niels I would post the correspondence with VoodooDreams here, without mentioning their name of course.
Then we'll see how the casino behaves in such matters. And why should he confess this to his parents ? I would not do either.
Either the casino has no bock to refund it and therefore refers to the 3 place or Niels tells here crap.
The facts must be on the table here in the forum to put pressure on the casino if everything is true
And whether Niels learns from it or not is up to him
Blubbo33 wrote on 07/14/2020 at 07:09: So what some have in mind ?
When I read that here the education has failed or the like
What are the parents supposed to do ?
The boy is 16 and already brings a certain maturity with it as you can see. And then still to write there must intervene the youth welfare office and the police?
Tell me, is it still going on?
Dear bone, in your upbringing probably some things went wrong
One must give the young people generous freedom otherwise life does not run and is in my opinion also in no way to monitor.
Many act as if they had not made any mistakes in their youth and present themselves as moralizers.
Fact is he has played although he is not allowed to. Whether knowingly or not.
The other fact is, if the casino does not require prior Verification due to their terms and conditions, they are obligated to refund the money to the boy.
If I were Niels I would post the correspondence with VoodooDreams here, without mentioning their name of course.
Then we will see how the casino behaves in such matters. And why should he confess this to his parents ? I would not do either.
Either the casino has no bock to refund it and therefore refers to the 3 place or Niels tells here crap.
The facts must be on the table here in the forum to put pressure on the casino if everything is true
And whether Niels learns from it or not is up to him.
Quote "The facts must be on the table"
Do you think about the truth.
That is not told/written, there both sides hold with behind the mountain.
You seem to be a very smart guy @Nils...if in my eyes only conditionally
Maybe you should take a look at the legal situation regarding online gambling in Germany, especially with regard to your payment Provider (bank).
Basically, it is forbidden or FORBIDDEN banks to transfer funds to Online Casinos (with the exception of players from SH).
That banks do NOT adhere to said prohibition due to this very lucrative business is generally known, but that banks "KNOWINGLY" continue to transfer funds to minors is an impudence that is unparalleled.
So you have a damn safe option in addition to get your gambled money back!
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 14.07.2020 at 08:43 clock: You seem to be a very smart guy @Nils...if in my eyes only conditionally
Maybe you deal with the legal situation concerning online gambling in the FRG, especially what your payment Provider (bank) is concerned.
Basically, it is forbidden or FORBIDDEN banks to transfer funds to Online Casinos (with the exception of players from SH).
That banks do NOT adhere to said prohibition due to this very lucrative business is generally known, but that banks "KNOWINGLY" continue to transfer funds to minors is an impudence that is unparalleled.
So you have a damn safe option in addition to get your gambled money back!
Hello.
I got a Tip from @jokerboy yesterday to contact Klarna about instant bank transfer. There is probably a contact form for such things. Let's see what comes of it.
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 14.07.2020 at 08:43 clock: You seem to be a very smart guy @Nils...if in my eyes only conditionally
Maybe you deal with the legal situation regarding online gambling in the FRG, especially what your payment Provider (bank) is concerned.
Basically, it is forbidden or FORBIDDEN banks to transfer funds to Online Casinos (with the exception of players from SH).
That banks do NOT adhere to said prohibition due to this very lucrative business is generally known, but that banks "KNOWINGLY" continue to transfer funds to minors is an impudence that is unparalleled.
So you have a damn safe option in addition to get your gambled money back!
The money is definitely entitled to him if he is under 18. The banks/payment service providers will know and I have the same suspicion that they make themselves in a way punishable, if they forward money from a minor to a casino. Sure, it's all anonymous, but he can try to portray it there as it is. I have no sympathy for the situation in which he has maneuvered himself, but this is not about personal opinions. If he had bought a baller game from 18, the letter carrier would have gone away again without having achieved anything, because he checks the identity card
@Niels, please clarify this with a legal guardian directly at Sofort/Klarna or at the bank. So it is ensured that you are really not over 18 and get your money back. Klarna will also request proof that you have to provide there
Until 17 you need the consent of your parents to open a checking account, because you are
limited legal capacity!
Secrecy with a young person under 18?
Yes so far still comes!
Unfortunately, it was the same with me and my son. He opened an account and the bank did not give me any information. Or do you want to accuse me of lying here?
Kleinkariert wrote on 14.07.2020 at 01:27
Bullshit, until 18 only with parents and then they also have the power of attorney and can restrict the account as they want. And on his own he can't revoke it either.
Officiel may be so, but seem obviously not all banks adhere to it.
There are of course as described in the article also cases where he can open the account without your participation, for example, if he needs the account to receive wages / salary.
Blubbo33 wrote on 07/14/2020 at 07:09: So what some have in mind ?
When I read that here the education has failed or the like
What are the parents supposed to do ?
The boy is 16 and already brings a certain maturity with it as you can see. And then still to write there must intervene the youth welfare office and the police?
Tell me, is it still going on?
Dear bone, in your upbringing probably also some things went wrong
One must give the young people generous freedom otherwise life does not run and is in my opinion also in no way to monitor.
Many act as if they had not made any mistakes in their youth and present themselves as moralizers.
Fact is he has played although he is not allowed to. Whether knowingly or not.
The other fact is, if the casino does not require prior Verification due to their terms and conditions, they are obligated to refund the money to the boy.
If I were Niels I would post the correspondence with VoodooDreams here, without mentioning their name of course.
Then we'll see how the casino behaves in such matters. And why should he confess this to his parents ? I would not do either.
Either the casino has no bock to refund it and therefore refers to the 3 place or Niels tells here crap.
The facts must be on the table here in the forum to put pressure on the casino if everything is true
And whether Niels learns from it or not is up to him.
*in your opinion! Nice that you realize that. Because pedagogy nowadays hardly ever argues about the question of educational style. The "laissez fair" style is outdated. You obviously have little idea about young people or education, but on the other hand you obviously have not understood what I meant.
Involving the youth welfare office and the judiciary would be the optimal solution in a system where you have to verify yourself before you start playing. Personally, I do not think that a Maltese casino has an educational mandate towards a young person. A casino and a teenager have nothing to do with each other. If a young person (again, in the hypothetical perfect system) demonstrates enough criminal energy to gamble anyway, then of course an authority outside the parental home should immediately intervene to clarify where this gambling instinct comes from.
Adolescents are much more susceptible to gambling than adults. I don't want to go into detail about which biochemical processes in the body are responsible for this, it is enough to simply state the fact that some studies have come to this conclusion: Those who start gambling in their youth are much more likely to be unable to stop as adults. The addiction is stronger and in many cases almost impossible to overcome later in life. The relapse rate of people who have already started gambling at the age of 14 is enormous.
Personally, I think young people should be protected from gambling. Current case law doesn't go far enough in that regard. Some of the most popular streamers (and streamers are, after all, the stars of today's youth) shamelessly advertise gambling, there's one commercial after another on TV, and every other kebab store happily flashes money gambling machines. You can't just say that a 16-year-old is mature enough. He is not.
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When I read that the education has failed here or something similar
What should the parents do?
The boy is 16 and already brings a certain maturity with it as you can see. And then still to write there must intervene the youth welfare office and the police?
Tell me, is it still going on?
Dear bone, in your upbringing has probably gone wrong
One must give the young people generous freedom otherwise life does not run and is in my opinion also in no way to monitor.
Many act as if they had not made any mistakes in their youth and present themselves as moralizers.
Fact is he has played although he is not allowed to. Whether knowingly or not.
The other fact is, if the casino does not require prior Verification due to their terms and conditions, they are obligated to refund the money to the boy.
If I were Niels I would post the correspondence with VoodooDreams here, without mentioning their name of course.
Then we'll see how the casino behaves in such matters. And why should he confess this to his parents ? I would not do either.
Either the casino has no bock to refund it and therefore refers to the 3 place or Niels tells here crap.
The facts must be on the table here in the forum to put pressure on the casino if everything is true
And whether Niels learns from it or not is up to him
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Quote "The facts must be on the table"
Do you think about the truth.
That is not told/written, there both sides hold with behind the mountain.
Here, however, only rumgeeiert.
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But Niels is allowed to do it, and if he cares, it can do it here and then we'll see.
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Maybe you should take a look at the legal situation regarding online gambling in Germany, especially with regard to your payment Provider (bank).
Basically, it is forbidden or FORBIDDEN banks to transfer funds to Online Casinos (with the exception of players from SH).
That banks do NOT adhere to said prohibition due to this very lucrative business is generally known, but that banks "KNOWINGLY" continue to transfer funds to minors is an impudence that is unparalleled.
So you have a damn safe option in addition to get your gambled money back!
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Hello.
I got a Tip from @jokerboy yesterday to contact Klarna about instant bank transfer. There is probably a contact form for such things. Let's see what comes of it.
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The money is definitely entitled to him if he is under 18. The banks/payment service providers will know and I have the same suspicion that they make themselves in a way punishable, if they forward money from a minor to a casino. Sure, it's all anonymous, but he can try to portray it there as it is. I have no sympathy for the situation in which he has maneuvered himself, but this is not about personal opinions. If he had bought a baller game from 18, the letter carrier would have gone away again without having achieved anything, because he checks the identity card
@Niels, please clarify this with a legal guardian directly at Sofort/Klarna or at the bank. So it is ensured that you are really not over 18 and get your money back. Klarna will also request proof that you have to provide there
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Unfortunately, it was the same with me and my son. He opened an account and the bank did not give me any information. Or do you want to accuse me of lying here?
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Officiel may be so, but seem obviously not all banks adhere to it.
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With a lawyer or the Federal Financial Supervisory Authority you can help a little. That some banks do not adhere to it is already often happened.
-> https://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/DE/Anschreiben/sc_980322_minder_ba.html
There are of course as described in the article also cases where he can open the account without your participation, for example, if he needs the account to receive wages / salary.
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*in your opinion! Nice that you realize that. Because pedagogy nowadays hardly ever argues about the question of educational style. The "laissez fair" style is outdated. You obviously have little idea about young people or education, but on the other hand you obviously have not understood what I meant.
Involving the youth welfare office and the judiciary would be the optimal solution in a system where you have to verify yourself before you start playing. Personally, I do not think that a Maltese casino has an educational mandate towards a young person. A casino and a teenager have nothing to do with each other. If a young person (again, in the hypothetical perfect system) demonstrates enough criminal energy to gamble anyway, then of course an authority outside the parental home should immediately intervene to clarify where this gambling instinct comes from.
Adolescents are much more susceptible to gambling than adults. I don't want to go into detail about which biochemical processes in the body are responsible for this, it is enough to simply state the fact that some studies have come to this conclusion: Those who start gambling in their youth are much more likely to be unable to stop as adults. The addiction is stronger and in many cases almost impossible to overcome later in life. The relapse rate of people who have already started gambling at the age of 14 is enormous.
Personally, I think young people should be protected from gambling. Current case law doesn't go far enough in that regard. Some of the most popular streamers (and streamers are, after all, the stars of today's youth) shamelessly advertise gambling, there's one commercial after another on TV, and every other kebab store happily flashes money gambling machines. You can't just say that a 16-year-old is mature enough. He is not.
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