Jokerboy wrote on 09/07/2020 at 16:59: It's all about the cause and the lesson learned.
niels will probably only learn a lesson from this if the oc can only be persuaded to pay out after a telephone conversation (not via chat) with a parent.
for me, many questions are still open here in the start post and in the further course.
Jokerboy wrote on 09.07.2020 at 16:32
This has nothing to do with frustration or resentment! Nevertheless, I'm allowed to give my opinion on the case and I still agree with the casino when they act like this
Can come yes everyone and as Kleinkariert has already written: Simply make a new account, if money is gone blame the children to push that one also yes gets his money back
Maybe you are such a one and therefore defend a "minor" who certainly knew what he is doing!
What kind of person should I be?
The protection of minors is about protecting minors from their own stupidity. Even if he knew exactly what he was doing.
Who you agree with doesn't matter at all, because the minor has the RIGHT on his side in this case. That would be German law, by the way, because a minor cannot make any other choice of law. This would also apply even if I take the position that Online Casinos would be prohibited in Germany. The protection of minors would still lead to him being able to claim his money back. Your divergent moral concepts do not change anything about that.
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Max1303 wrote on 09/07/2020 at 17:24
What am I supposed to be?
The point of protecting minors is to protect minors from their own stupidity. Even if he knew exactly what he was doing.
Who you agree with doesn't matter at all, because the minor has the RIGHT on his side in this case. That would be German law, by the way, because a minor cannot make any other choice of law. This would also apply even if I take the position that Online Casinos would be prohibited in Germany. The protection of minors would still lead to him being able to claim his money back. Your divergent moral concepts do not change anything about that.
That may be. Maybe I should just treat myself to a bottle of vodka, burn 5000 EUR in the OC and say at the end that I was not legally competent
Jokerboy wrote on 09/07/2020 at 17:31
Maybe. Maybe I should just treat myself to a bottle of vodka, burn 5000 EUR in OC and say at the end that I was not legally competent.
That wouldn't work. It's called actio illicita in causa in criminal law and these principles are also being made fruitful in civil law across Europe
Besides, this is not about you. If you have no more arguments, it's best to just not write anything. I took your opinion seriously and tried to explain the legal situation to you. If you don't like it, I can't help it.
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Max1303 wrote on 09/07/2020 at 17:54
That would not work. It's called actio illicita in causa in criminal law and these principles are also made fruitful in civil law across Europe
Besides, this is not about you. If you have no more arguments, it's best to just not write anything. I took your opinion seriously and tried to explain the legal situation to you. If you don't like it, I can't help it.
What you know everything
I still have enough arguments. I also understand your summary of the facts and I wish for the TE that his first official act as an adult is not the casino
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Falko wrote on 09.07.2020 at 16:38
And the fair player has to make up for it,what the casinos lose by cheating others.
Hello.
1. It's not a "scam"
2. In how far the casino has a damage from it ? It comes out at 0
And in how far should my refund as a minor affect other players so that players have to compensate exactly WHAT ?
Please explain
nielsoderso wrote on 09/07/2020 at 19:40
Hello.
1. It is not a "scam"
2. In how far the casino has a damage from it ? It comes out with 0
And in how far should my refund as a minor affect other players so that they have to compensate exactly what ?
Please explain
The casinos pay a license fee to the manufacturers of the games when you play them. So they have costs for you. They also have costs when they refund your Deposit, delete your account, contact you, etc. as this all takes staff time
The compensation is a superstitious nonsense that does not correspond to the truth. You are not harming any other players with your behavior.
But it is a stupid action. Of course, the casino must and should return your deposit, you are not allowed to play. You can now do this in 20 casinos in a row if you want. This by and large just solidifies the idea that players must verify BEFORE a first deposit and not before a first withdrawal. This would help everyone. However, the casinos are probably right to fear that this hurdle could prevent some players from playing at all. Once you have deposited money, you are much more willing to identify yourself.
nielsoderso wrote on 09/07/2020 at 19:40: Hello.
1. It's not a "scam"
2. In how far does the casino get any damage from it ? It comes out with 0
And in how far should my refund as a minor affect other players so that players have to compensate exactly WHAT ?
Please explain
you don't even realize that falko meant --> if <-- es eine betrugsmasche wäre, was ja keiner von uns hier wissen kann. wir wissen ja nicht einmal ob du mit dem geld gespielt hast? warum du eingezahlt hast und es wieder auszahlen willst? wie alt bist du? -->it was overread somewhere then please correct it.
in any case, you react in some posts a bit defiant, why? not we told you to pay there. please explain
of course it would be sensible of you to tell us here the closer circumstances, if you mean however it is nothing to us only further speculates here and the question which stands then in the space --> why you opened at all the thread
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Iseedeadpeople wrote on 09.07.2020 at 19:54
you don't even realize that falko meant --> if <-- es eine betrugsmasche wäre, was ja keiner von uns hier wissen kann. wir wissen ja nicht einmal ob du mit dem geld gespielt hast? warum du eingezahlt hast und es wieder auszahlen willst? wie alt bist du? -->it was overread somewhere then please correct it.
in any case, you react in some posts a bit defiant, why? not we told you to pay there. please explain
of course it would be sensible of you to tell us here the closer circumstances, if you mean however it is nothing to us only further speculates here and the question which stands then in the space --> why you opened the thread at all
Hello.
In my quoted text of Falko there is no "if". Therefore, I assumed that with "possible fraud" a minor is meant, which wants his money back.
Of course you are welcome to ask me anything that burns on your tongue. I will try to answer it as good as I can
Ps
- No, it is not lost in the thread. I am 16.
- Yes, I have played with it.
- Deposited with it to play ?!
There was no payout
- I don't really understand the point about "We didn't tell you to deposit". There was no talk of anyone being at fault here or anything else. I was asked how I came across this casino, since it was probably not too well known.
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I don't think they lose that much by it. It's about the matter and the lesson learned
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niels will probably only learn a lesson from this if the oc can only be persuaded to pay out after a telephone conversation (not via chat) with a parent.
for me, many questions are still open here in the start post and in the further course.
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What kind of person should I be?
The protection of minors is about protecting minors from their own stupidity. Even if he knew exactly what he was doing.
Who you agree with doesn't matter at all, because the minor has the RIGHT on his side in this case. That would be German law, by the way, because a minor cannot make any other choice of law. This would also apply even if I take the position that Online Casinos would be prohibited in Germany. The protection of minors would still lead to him being able to claim his money back. Your divergent moral concepts do not change anything about that.
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That may be. Maybe I should just treat myself to a bottle of vodka, burn 5000 EUR in the OC and say at the end that I was not legally competent
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That wouldn't work. It's called actio illicita in causa in criminal law and these principles are also being made fruitful in civil law across Europe
Besides, this is not about you. If you have no more arguments, it's best to just not write anything. I took your opinion seriously and tried to explain the legal situation to you. If you don't like it, I can't help it.
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What you know everything
I still have enough arguments. I also understand your summary of the facts and I wish for the TE that his first official act as an adult is not the casino
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Hello.
1. It's not a "scam"
2. In how far the casino has a damage from it ? It comes out at 0
And in how far should my refund as a minor affect other players so that players have to compensate exactly WHAT ?
Please explain
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Voodoodreams refuses to pay out to minors.
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The casinos pay a license fee to the manufacturers of the games when you play them. So they have costs for you. They also have costs when they refund your Deposit, delete your account, contact you, etc. as this all takes staff time
The compensation is a superstitious nonsense that does not correspond to the truth. You are not harming any other players with your behavior.
But it is a stupid action. Of course, the casino must and should return your deposit, you are not allowed to play. You can now do this in 20 casinos in a row if you want. This by and large just solidifies the idea that players must verify BEFORE a first deposit and not before a first withdrawal. This would help everyone. However, the casinos are probably right to fear that this hurdle could prevent some players from playing at all. Once you have deposited money, you are much more willing to identify yourself.
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you don't even realize that falko meant --> if <-- es eine betrugsmasche wäre, was ja keiner von uns hier wissen kann. wir wissen ja nicht einmal ob du mit dem geld gespielt hast? warum du eingezahlt hast und es wieder auszahlen willst? wie alt bist du? -->it was overread somewhere then please correct it.
in any case, you react in some posts a bit defiant, why? not we told you to pay there. please explain
of course it would be sensible of you to tell us here the closer circumstances, if you mean however it is nothing to us only further speculates here and the question which stands then in the space --> why you opened at all the thread
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Hello.
In my quoted text of Falko there is no "if". Therefore, I assumed that with "possible fraud" a minor is meant, which wants his money back.
Of course you are welcome to ask me anything that burns on your tongue. I will try to answer it as good as I can
Ps
- No, it is not lost in the thread. I am 16.
- Yes, I have played with it.
- Deposited with it to play ?!
There was no payout
- I don't really understand the point about "We didn't tell you to deposit". There was no talk of anyone being at fault here or anything else. I was asked how I came across this casino, since it was probably not too well known.
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