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tEquilA wrote on 12/12/2020 at 04:06 PM
Of course, the lawyer tells you that you will get the lawsuit through successfully. He wants to be paid by you. And he's probably rubbing his hands together because you're jumping all over it. Old fool
Apart from the fact that you're being ripped off
888 would invoke EU law in the case. This is above the state laws
Or in other words: chances of success of the lawsuit 0%
If you still have the need to pay someone around 250€ per hour because he tells you fairy tales...I can do that too. You can also call me Märchenman.
You are not really up to date. The fact that the EU's freedom to provide services takes precedence over state law is no longer the case. In its most recent rulings, the EU has stated that the state bans on OCs are compatible with European law, so it is up to the individual countries to decide whether the services provided by OCs are illegal or legal. In Austria, they are definitely not legalized, so the lawsuit is also 99% likely to succeed.
So I must say some people are brazen, the 20k payout was ok for you and then you thought naive brat,
that always goes so and then the reality happened, the casino always wins (because gambling is gambling) and now you put the casino as the bad guy, although you are not master of your finances. hmh....
As soon as I know if you don't suffer from a personality disorder (which makes you act irrationally) you will lose more, but hay
Lawyers always talk what you want to hear (again I would say "Naive over 9000") I think you have learned nothing from this....
As soon as you have the 20k, it will end up in some casino (because you have more debts than just 20k) and then the fun starts all over again...
Falcon wrote on 12/12/2020 at 04:09: I also want to write something here.
I am also from Austria and know about these casino lawsuits.
There are some lawyers who have taken on the subject and it is true what the TE writes.
Have myself contact with a lawyer who makes these lawsuits.
This runs quite differently
Some casinos agree to a settlement. That is, they pay without negotiation.
Some go to court and so far EVERY case has been decided in favor of the plaintiffs.
This is also the reason why some casinos have already left the Austrian market like RIZK for example.
As someone here had meant that the casinos would not put up with it. Umm, what choice do they have? If the court decides in favor of the plaintiff, you have a European payment order in your hand and can force the casinos to pay.
By the way, the European court has long since ruled that gambling laws are a matter for the individual states.
Many casinos nevertheless remain active in Austria for a very simple reason.
Since of course only a few players sue and anyway only funds can be reclaimed that were also lost (i.e. deposits minus payouts), the casinos still make a win on the Austrian market.
The casinos know that this can happen to them with Austrian players and take that into account
But it is a fact that every player who is from Austria can reclaim his gambling losses. The law is clear and lawyers would not accept hundreds of clients and process financiers would not advance huge amounts of money if this were not the case. And this is not a theory, but I myself know of some cases that have already successfully sued and got the money
And there is nothing morally reprehensible about it. Since the law is known to each casino, it is a purely business consideration whether they come to the conclusion that they can still get enough money out of there. And just like that, it is a personal consideration of each player whether he makes use of it or not
But you know if you would have won and the casino would have turned against you, there would be something going on again and that is what is so unfair and that is also what p**ses most people off here
Of course, you have to help problem gamblers but some personal responsibility is just also there
And even if a legal situation seems 100% clear there is still room for the judges and it can also go wrong
gamble1 wrote on 12.12.2020 at 13:38
But you know if you would have won and the casino would have turned against you there would be something going on again and that's what is so unfair and that's also what p**ses most people off here
Of course, you have to help problem gamblers but some personal responsibility is just also there
And even if a legal situation seems 100% clear there is still room for the judges and it can also go wrong
Yes, it has also often happened that someone has won big and the casino has crossed.
But it is not about that
It is about the fact that the casinos are illegal on the Austrian market. And it is above all about the fact that the casinos know that. Nevertheless, they do it because, despite the few lawsuits, they still make enough money with the Austrian market. So it is just as reprehensible or not reprehensible on the part of the casino. It's just business and a simple cost/benefit calculation
And let's be honest, because there is always an appeal to the honesty of the players.
Many gamblers gamble away all their money and have put their entire existence into Online Casinos over the years
Here it is always pretended that these are the absolute exceptions. I have made other experiences.
Why should someone who has put 50k into casinos and already has to live on air and love, because he has no more money, not use the opportunity to get his money back? That with many the money then again in Casinos lands, yes unfortunately. Nevertheless, the idea itself is completely understandable and someone who has lost everything to casinos will hardly have any remorse towards the casino - as well as the casino certainly has no bad conscience that their entire business model is largely based on ruining livelihoods
I am also a big fan of personal responsibility, but also on the part of the casino. If they stay in the Austrian market, they have to expect it. And as I said before, in the overall balance sheet it still pays off for the casinos.
All parties involved, the casino that offers the games on the market, the bank that approves the transfer, the legislator who does not look closely and of course you as a player who takes advantage of an unregulated offer, all move knowingly in a legal gray area.
As long as there is the possibility of chargeback, there is nothing against trying it. How often do casinos exploit players' addictive behavior through stalling tactics in the payout process? Far too often. The casinos are not interested in morals here either. Moral aspects in this case are something for snowflakes and green voters. Don't be put off by some do-gooder comments here. Such people also wait at 3 o'clock in the night at a deserted intersection for the pedestrian lights to turn green. If mankind had relied only on morality in its development, we would still be living in a cave today.
Begbie wrote on 12.12.2020 at 14:18: All parties involved, the casino offering the games on the market, the bank approving the transfer, the legislator not looking closely and of course you as a player taking advantage of an unregulated offer, all knowingly move in a legal gray area.
As long as there is the possibility of chargeback, there is nothing against trying it. How often do casinos exploit players' addictive behavior through stalling tactics in the payout process? Far too often. The casinos are not interested in morals here either. Moral aspects in this case are something for snowflakes and green voters. Don't be put off by some do-gooder comments here. Such people also wait at 3 o'clock in the night at a deserted intersection for the pedestrian lights to turn green. If mankind had relied only on morality in its development, we would still be living in a cave today.
Dear Begbie, everyone is responsible for their own actions. Running to the bank and getting a loan just to gamble with it is absolutely sick! Admittedly, many are by the Streams of Knossi and Co. just to angefixt it also times to try. Also, the amount of payments from the streamers is not exactly small. But you should learn from such mistakes and not undermine their own stupidity through the judiciary.
If I, as now at Christmas, consume a lot of chocolate and stollen and thereby fall ill with fatty heart disease, then I know better for next year and can not hire a lawyer who gives me first my money and secondly my life back
However, an addiction can temporarily justify irrational behavior.
At a certain point, the mind is overridden by the addiction.
If the gambler sees the chargeback as a chance to overcome his illness.
It becomes doubtful only when the TE with the chargeback coal invests again in the casino.
Cheeseburger wrote on 12/12/2020 at 15:36: Imagine the stupid face of the thread creator if he had won a million Jackpot and the casino is now demanding the money back
There have been players who have won the jackpot but have gone down the tubes because of flimsy justifications. See Beschwedeforum. To defend yourself against this is futile
Therefore I see it meanwhile also differently. There are very few reputable Online Casinos, if any.
state-licensed casinos are far better. Previously, I thought, what for spinner, when people play lose and want the money back.
But casinos are also not serious business partners. If jmd clears thick, barriers are built, on AGBs invoke without any justification payouts denied etc.. Payout delay, complication of the Verizierung etc.. The list is endless.
Such things are only understood by players to whom it has happened, or who understand procedures. #nofront
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Cheeseburger wrote on 12/12/2020 at 3:36 pm: Imagine the stupid face of the thread creator if he had won a million dollar Jackpot and the casino is now demanding the money back....
First of all: "Win a million jackpot in the online casino."
There you probably also believe that the people's representative represents the people ?
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You are not really up to date. The fact that the EU's freedom to provide services takes precedence over state law is no longer the case. In its most recent rulings, the EU has stated that the state bans on OCs are compatible with European law, so it is up to the individual countries to decide whether the services provided by OCs are illegal or legal. In Austria, they are definitely not legalized, so the lawsuit is also 99% likely to succeed.
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that always goes so and then the reality happened, the casino always wins (because gambling is gambling) and now you put the casino as the bad guy, although you are not master of your finances. hmh....
As soon as I know if you don't suffer from a personality disorder (which makes you act irrationally) you will lose more, but hay
Lawyers always talk what you want to hear (again I would say "Naive over 9000") I think you have learned nothing from this....
As soon as you have the 20k, it will end up in some casino (because you have more debts than just 20k) and then the fun starts all over again...
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But you know if you would have won and the casino would have turned against you, there would be something going on again and that is what is so unfair and that is also what p**ses most people off here
Of course, you have to help problem gamblers but some personal responsibility is just also there
And even if a legal situation seems 100% clear there is still room for the judges and it can also go wrong
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Yes, it has also often happened that someone has won big and the casino has crossed.
But it is not about that
It is about the fact that the casinos are illegal on the Austrian market. And it is above all about the fact that the casinos know that. Nevertheless, they do it because, despite the few lawsuits, they still make enough money with the Austrian market. So it is just as reprehensible or not reprehensible on the part of the casino. It's just business and a simple cost/benefit calculation
And let's be honest, because there is always an appeal to the honesty of the players.
Many gamblers gamble away all their money and have put their entire existence into Online Casinos over the years
Here it is always pretended that these are the absolute exceptions. I have made other experiences.
Why should someone who has put 50k into casinos and already has to live on air and love, because he has no more money, not use the opportunity to get his money back? That with many the money then again in Casinos lands, yes unfortunately. Nevertheless, the idea itself is completely understandable and someone who has lost everything to casinos will hardly have any remorse towards the casino - as well as the casino certainly has no bad conscience that their entire business model is largely based on ruining livelihoods
I am also a big fan of personal responsibility, but also on the part of the casino. If they stay in the Austrian market, they have to expect it. And as I said before, in the overall balance sheet it still pays off for the casinos.
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As long as there is the possibility of chargeback, there is nothing against trying it. How often do casinos exploit players' addictive behavior through stalling tactics in the payout process? Far too often. The casinos are not interested in morals here either. Moral aspects in this case are something for snowflakes and green voters. Don't be put off by some do-gooder comments here. Such people also wait at 3 o'clock in the night at a deserted intersection for the pedestrian lights to turn green. If mankind had relied only on morality in its development, we would still be living in a cave today.
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Dear Begbie, everyone is responsible for their own actions. Running to the bank and getting a loan just to gamble with it is absolutely sick! Admittedly, many are by the Streams of Knossi and Co. just to angefixt it also times to try. Also, the amount of payments from the streamers is not exactly small. But you should learn from such mistakes and not undermine their own stupidity through the judiciary.
If I, as now at Christmas, consume a lot of chocolate and stollen and thereby fall ill with fatty heart disease, then I know better for next year and can not hire a lawyer who gives me first my money and secondly my life back
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At a certain point, the mind is overridden by the addiction.
If the gambler sees the chargeback as a chance to overcome his illness.
It becomes doubtful only when the TE with the chargeback coal invests again in the casino.
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There have been players who have won the jackpot but have gone down the tubes because of flimsy justifications. See Beschwedeforum. To defend yourself against this is futile
Therefore I see it meanwhile also differently. There are very few reputable Online Casinos, if any.
state-licensed casinos are far better. Previously, I thought, what for spinner, when people play lose and want the money back.
But casinos are also not serious business partners. If jmd clears thick, barriers are built, on AGBs invoke without any justification payouts denied etc.. Payout delay, complication of the Verizierung etc.. The list is endless.
Such things are only understood by players to whom it has happened, or who understand procedures. #nofront
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First of all: "Win a million jackpot in the online casino."
There you probably also believe that the people's representative represents the people ?
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