Ichbins2018 wrote on 11.12.2020 at 18:07
And if I KNOWINGLY offer something illegal in a country, then I should everything, but do not be surprised that there are also people,
who do NOT accept this and make use of their right.
Conversely, that would mean that I knowingly participated in something that is illegal.
By implication, then, that would mean that I knowingly participated in something that is illegal.
But then that's not so nice either
Meanwhile, the topic of illegal gambling - and especially what the players in and among themselves concerns salonfähig or arrived in gesellschafft.
Never heard of and other babble are in my eyes after all the years in the chargeback (which was spread in all media and is still spread) only stupid excuses.
And exactly for this reason I am also NO supporter of Chargeback.
However (as a former pathological gambler) I can also understand those who grasp at the last straw
Falko wrote on 11.12.2020 at 16:22
But how did it come at all so far that the banks have given you such high loans? So here in Germany you have to show something that you get such high loans also - in Austria, they are probably not so strict in the granting of loans? That's already enormously high what you there have approved.
Would simply justified with my income have never earned badly everything always diligently gezhalt no negative entries etc.
Lukifisch wrote on 11.12.2020 at 11:51
This is about the fact that you should not have the opportunity to "use" so much money in such a short time at the age of 21.
And there is corresponding case law of the lawyer and process financiers would not take the Risk for free if it was only 1%.
And I think many here it will still meet whole livelihoods to gamble away because one is simply blinded by Gambling addiction!
And if the casino had said at a BigWin sorry with 21 years to win so much money that should not be allowed you would also have sued ....
Sorry but this argumentation is simply bad and impudent in your case, the casino would have had so or so on good German the A*** card
There is in every casino that is regulated in Malta (EU) the possibility to set limits if you do not do that is your own fault
With 21 years you are as good as in any country in the world capable of business and your argument with 21 years you should not be allowed to do such a thing man there are people with 21 have already earned several million and spent have wife and child and a life that they can regulate more than top
So when you say with 21 you should not be allowed to do that you are talking about your weakness but at the end of the day it is also your problem and neither the casino nor your parents nor the state has anything to do with it
The casino can say with us in the AGB's stands each player must inquire whether playing with him violates laws
And because of gambling addiction, most are also secured
And believe me as sure as I'm called Gamble1 it is in there
So you can say according to your reasoning you are not legally competent because everyone else can do it too so maybe you are the problem and not the casino
Well depends on the judge on it maybe you are worse off than now would personally not let it come to 888 has to 100% a longer breath than you in a lawsuit and the cost increases with each instance and should you fail after the 5 attempt can add to your 70k still loose 150k to it
Your lawyer will then also just say well too bad here is my bill and you are alone there
But it can also go well I would not risk it but as I said for you are too much to blame for everything itself
Of course, the casino providers are only out for profit. But that is in the nature of things. The casino always wins.
Most players lose in the long run.
No one forced you to gamble money. If you screw up, you should stand by your mistakes and learn from them.
If you gamble you can win, but you should also be able to lose.
gamble1 wrote on 11.12.2020 at 20:08
And if the casino would have said at a BigWin sorry with 21 years win so much money that should not be allowed you would have also sued ....
Sorry but this argumentation is simply bad and impudent in your case the casino would have had so or so in good German the A*** card
There is in every casino that is regulated in Malta (EU) the possibility to set limits if you do not do that is your own fault
With 21 years you are as good as in any country in the world capable of business and your argument with 21 years you should not be allowed to do such a thing man there are people with 21 have already earned several million and spent have wife and child and a life that they can regulate more than top
So when you say with 21 you should not be allowed to do that you are talking about your weakness but at the end of the day it is also your problem and neither the casino nor your parents nor the state has anything to do with it
The casino can say with us in the AGB's stands each player must inquire whether playing with him violates laws
And believe me as sure as I'm called Gamble1 it is in there
So you can say according to your reasoning you are not legally competent because everyone else can do it too so maybe you are the problem and not the casino
Well depends on the judge on it maybe you are worse off than now would personally not let it come to 888 has to 100% a longer breath than you in a lawsuit and the costs increase with each instance and should you fail after the 5 attempt can add to your 70k still loose 150k to it
Your lawyer will then also just say well too bad here is my bill and you are alone there
But it can also go well I would not Risk it but as I said for you are too much to blame for everything itself
To all first post read, would be useful there is written that I know that I screwed up myself! The casinos should not give me by law the possibility to use their offer from Austria so I do not understand the argument with Player protection, etc.. And it is a process financier with in the game so risk for me equal to zero.
Ichbins2018 wrote on 11.12.2020 at 18:40
Meanwhile, the topic of illegal play -and especially what concerns the players in and among themselves Salonfähig or arrived in gesellschafft.
Never heard of and other babble are in my eyes after all the years in the chargeback (which was spread in all media and is still spread) only stupid excuses.
And exactly for this reason I am also NO supporter of Chargeback.
However (as a former pathological gambler) I can also understand those who grasp for the last straw
Without wanting to offend, looking at your history here I wonder why you are still on Gamblejoe. As a player who doesn't play online, or offline (or not anymore). Additionally, you don't seem to have much effort to dissuade others from playing, you just name the online game as illegal and explain it in detail. That's where it stays, you don't go beyond that.
Also rationally I don't see any reasons, you have too few points for the PSC lottery, you seem to have no interest in the off topic area, you don't go into any discussion in which you don't take illegal online gambling as the main topic in your post. Exception, again having to do with this are chargeback stories.
When I took a break, I had kept my distance from GJ. Everything would trigger me here, I would ultimately after initial hesitation probably leave the site permanently and thus the chapter gambling in life finally rest for themselves.
Lukifisch wrote on 12/11/2020 at 10:44 am: Dear Gamble-Joe members I would like to tell you here about my reclamation path at 888 Casino to maybe encourage others to do the same.
About me: I am Lukas 24 years, started with 21 now and then sports betting after a Bigwin with 10 euros bet and a win of over 20,000 € it began that I slowly but surely wandered into the online casino. After the 20 thousand euros were very quickly planned with the repayment of a loan for a car and other things. I began to gamble more and more and have taken out loans to feed my addictive behavior I have lost pretty much every sports bet and every spin in the casino was a loss until I have accumulated debts in the range of 70 thousand euros, until the day I had my parents inaugurated I played every day, since then not a cent more.
I will now start the legal action against 888 and would like to take you a little, I am working with a process financier and an Austrian lawyer because I myself am also from Austria. A letter from the lawyer has already been sent to 888 with the request to transfer the casino loss of about 20000 euros, today the deadline for feedback expires and we will send on Monday The statement of claim to the court.
The prospect of winning the lawsuit is according to the lawyer at 100% because the Austrian monopoly exceeds the freedom of services on which the casinos rausreden. OGH decision to this effect OGH 4 Ob 124/17i.
I will always report to you as soon as there is something new.
And YES I know I am to blame but I am of the opinion that here simply a Reglementireung hergehört to better protect players!
LG
Lukas
Of course, the lawyer tells you that you get the lawsuit successfully pulled through. He wants to be paid by you. And he's probably rubbing his hands together because you're jumping on it. Old fool
Apart from the fact that you're being ripped off
888 would invoke EU law in the case. This is above the state laws
Or in other words: chances of success of the lawsuit 0%
If you still have the need to pay someone around 250€ per hour because he tells you fairy tales...I can do that too. You can also call me Märchenman.
I am also from Austria and know about these casino lawsuits.
There are some lawyers who have taken on the subject and it is true what the TE writes.
I myself have contact with a lawyer who makes these lawsuits.
This runs quite differently
Some casinos agree to a settlement. That is, they pay without negotiation.
Some go to court and so far EVERY case has been decided in favor of the plaintiffs.
This is also the reason why some casinos have already left the Austrian market like RIZK for example.
As someone here had meant that the casinos would not put up with it. Umm, what choice do they have? If the court decides in favor of the plaintiff, you have a European payment order in your hand and can force the casinos to pay.
By the way, the European court has long since ruled that gambling laws are a matter for the individual states.
Many casinos nevertheless remain active in Austria for a very simple reason.
Since of course only a few players sue and anyway only funds can be reclaimed that were also lost (i.e. deposits minus payouts), the casinos still make a win on the Austrian market.
The casinos know that this can happen to them with Austrian players and take that into account
But it is a fact that every player who is from Austria can reclaim his gambling losses. The law is clear and lawyers would not accept hundreds of clients and process financiers would not advance huge amounts of money if this were not the case. And this is not a theory, but I myself know of some cases that have already successfully sued and got the money
And there is nothing morally reprehensible about it. Since the law is known to every casino, it is a purely business consideration whether they come to the conclusion that they can still get enough money out of there. And just like that, it is a personal consideration of each player whether he makes use of it or not
tEquilA wrote on 12/12/2020 at 04:06 PM
Of course, the lawyer tells you that you will get the lawsuit through successfully. He wants to be paid by you. And he's probably rubbing his hands together because you're jumping all over it. Old fool
Apart from the fact that you're being ripped off
888 would invoke EU law in the case. This is above the state laws
Or in other words: chances of success of the lawsuit 0%
If you still have the need to pay someone around 250€ per hour because he tells you fairy tales...I can do that too. You can also call me Märchenman.
The lawyer is not paid by the player, but the amount for the lawyer is paid first by the litigation financier and in the end the casino pays him, because the party that loses the case must also pay the lawyer's fees.
The EU has long since decided that gambling laws are purely a matter for the individual states.
Chances of success 99% (100% does not exist in the jurisprudence) and so far in hundreds of cases already happened so. And no, I have nothing of it. Only know some who have done so and therefore have a little insight.
Why exactly do you think that a lawyer tells fairy tales and builds his business on such a basis where it would be doomed to failure?
What the TE writes is true and he will get his money back.
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Conversely, that would mean that I knowingly participated in something that is illegal.
But then that's not so nice
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Meanwhile, the topic of illegal gambling - and especially what the players in and among themselves concerns salonfähig or arrived in gesellschafft.
Never heard of and other babble are in my eyes after all the years in the chargeback (which was spread in all media and is still spread) only stupid excuses.
And exactly for this reason I am also NO supporter of Chargeback.
However (as a former pathological gambler) I can also understand those who grasp at the last straw
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Would simply justified with my income have never earned badly everything always diligently gezhalt no negative entries etc.
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And if the casino had said at a BigWin sorry with 21 years to win so much money that should not be allowed you would also have sued ....
Sorry but this argumentation is simply bad and impudent in your case, the casino would have had so or so on good German the A*** card
There is in every casino that is regulated in Malta (EU) the possibility to set limits if you do not do that is your own fault
With 21 years you are as good as in any country in the world capable of business and your argument with 21 years you should not be allowed to do such a thing man there are people with 21 have already earned several million and spent have wife and child and a life that they can regulate more than top
So when you say with 21 you should not be allowed to do that you are talking about your weakness but at the end of the day it is also your problem and neither the casino nor your parents nor the state has anything to do with it
The casino can say with us in the AGB's stands each player must inquire whether playing with him violates laws
And because of gambling addiction, most are also secured
And believe me as sure as I'm called Gamble1 it is in there
So you can say according to your reasoning you are not legally competent because everyone else can do it too so maybe you are the problem and not the casino
Well depends on the judge on it maybe you are worse off than now would personally not let it come to 888 has to 100% a longer breath than you in a lawsuit and the cost increases with each instance and should you fail after the 5 attempt can add to your 70k still loose 150k to it
Your lawyer will then also just say well too bad here is my bill and you are alone there
But it can also go well I would not risk it but as I said for you are too much to blame for everything itself
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Most players lose in the long run.
No one forced you to gamble money. If you screw up, you should stand by your mistakes and learn from them.
If you gamble you can win, but you should also be able to lose.
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To all first post read, would be useful there is written that I know that I screwed up myself! The casinos should not give me by law the possibility to use their offer from Austria so I do not understand the argument with Player protection, etc.. And it is a process financier with in the game so risk for me equal to zero.
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Without wanting to offend, looking at your history here I wonder why you are still on Gamblejoe. As a player who doesn't play online, or offline (or not anymore). Additionally, you don't seem to have much effort to dissuade others from playing, you just name the online game as illegal and explain it in detail. That's where it stays, you don't go beyond that.
Also rationally I don't see any reasons, you have too few points for the PSC lottery, you seem to have no interest in the off topic area, you don't go into any discussion in which you don't take illegal online gambling as the main topic in your post. Exception, again having to do with this are chargeback stories.
When I took a break, I had kept my distance from GJ. Everything would trigger me here, I would ultimately after initial hesitation probably leave the site permanently and thus the chapter gambling in life finally rest for themselves.
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Of course, the lawyer tells you that you get the lawsuit successfully pulled through. He wants to be paid by you. And he's probably rubbing his hands together because you're jumping on it. Old fool
Apart from the fact that you're being ripped off
888 would invoke EU law in the case. This is above the state laws
Or in other words: chances of success of the lawsuit 0%
If you still have the need to pay someone around 250€ per hour because he tells you fairy tales...I can do that too. You can also call me Märchenman.
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I am also from Austria and know about these casino lawsuits.
There are some lawyers who have taken on the subject and it is true what the TE writes.
I myself have contact with a lawyer who makes these lawsuits.
This runs quite differently
Some casinos agree to a settlement. That is, they pay without negotiation.
Some go to court and so far EVERY case has been decided in favor of the plaintiffs.
This is also the reason why some casinos have already left the Austrian market like RIZK for example.
As someone here had meant that the casinos would not put up with it. Umm, what choice do they have? If the court decides in favor of the plaintiff, you have a European payment order in your hand and can force the casinos to pay.
By the way, the European court has long since ruled that gambling laws are a matter for the individual states.
Many casinos nevertheless remain active in Austria for a very simple reason.
Since of course only a few players sue and anyway only funds can be reclaimed that were also lost (i.e. deposits minus payouts), the casinos still make a win on the Austrian market.
The casinos know that this can happen to them with Austrian players and take that into account
But it is a fact that every player who is from Austria can reclaim his gambling losses. The law is clear and lawyers would not accept hundreds of clients and process financiers would not advance huge amounts of money if this were not the case. And this is not a theory, but I myself know of some cases that have already successfully sued and got the money
And there is nothing morally reprehensible about it. Since the law is known to every casino, it is a purely business consideration whether they come to the conclusion that they can still get enough money out of there. And just like that, it is a personal consideration of each player whether he makes use of it or not
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The lawyer is not paid by the player, but the amount for the lawyer is paid first by the litigation financier and in the end the casino pays him, because the party that loses the case must also pay the lawyer's fees.
The EU has long since decided that gambling laws are purely a matter for the individual states.
Chances of success 99% (100% does not exist in the jurisprudence) and so far in hundreds of cases already happened so. And no, I have nothing of it. Only know some who have done so and therefore have a little insight.
Why exactly do you think that a lawyer tells fairy tales and builds his business on such a basis where it would be doomed to failure?
What the TE writes is true and he will get his money back.
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