i like this platform, the way it is run and I like reading your posts
And although I have been on the edge for decades due to excessive gambling more than anywhere else, I can understand very well what is going on in the heads of many or why gambling fascinates many, why many can not let go of it, but also why not just a few demonize it.
However, I have not signed up here to spoil any users playing or to assist in addiction issues (I could yes), but reluctantly on a platform pro gambling.
PSC lottery or other lotteries.
Klaro nice gesture from GJ and it may be that this is interesting for one or the other, but for sure the "game" was not created for people like me.
Many are happy about it - I wouldn't - so mine stays out of it
Apart from the fact that I don't need it either - and it satisfies me a lot more these days,
to give instead of to take (but that just by the way)
Last but not least,
no I am not triggered by gambling (anymore) -and even if I have acted very irrationally in my past (seven figures and far worse than the money lost over 30 years of life).
I don't want to get up one more day and justify myself why I don't have a birthday present, or look in the sad eyes of my children because once again there is nothing under the Christmas tree
Even if it took a long time, I congratulate you that you now think/feel that way.
Secretly everyone wants to go there anyway...
Greetings
i like this platform, the way it is run and I like reading your posts
And although I have been on the edge for decades due to excessive gambling more than anywhere else, I can understand very well what is going on in the heads of many or why gambling fascinates many, why many can not let go of it, but also why not just a few demonize it.
However, I have not signed up here to spoil any users playing or to assist in addiction issues (I could yes), but reluctantly on a platform pro gambling.
PSC lottery or other lotteries.
Klaro nice gesture from GJ and it may be that this is interesting for one or the other, but for sure the "game" was not created for people like me.
Many are happy about it - I wouldn't - so mine stays out of it
Apart from the fact that I don't need it either - and it satisfies me a lot more these days,
to give instead of to take (but that just by the way)
Last but not least,
no I am not triggered by gambling (anymore) -and even if I have acted very irrationally in my past (seven figures and far worse than the money lost over 30 years of life).
I don't want to get up one more day and justify myself why I don't have a birthday present, or look in the sad eyes of my children because once again there is nothing under the Christmas tree.
This is probably the nicest post I've read here in a long time. That was a really good answer and I can understand you much better, at least I think so.
The latter is one of the most important things you can realize, the people around you are more important than you sometimes want to understand.
cbz490 wrote on 12/17/2020 at 2:35 pm: NONE of those shooting against the TE here would turn down the money....
You are just flags in the wind, my opinion...
From most speaks not the conviction (Except gamble1 vlt but he is an OC employee anyway or how was that communicated here again) but the envy that you do not get their own losses back or at least do not have the balls to try it.
So I hope you are successful!
A casino offers a service and you can buy it or not. If you have bought it, then it does not entitle you to reclaim the money for this service! Or do you go to the cinema and later stand at the box office and demand your money back?
Get a grip on yourself boy! My opinion!
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Jokerboy wrote on 23.12.2020 at 14:27
A casino offers a service and you can buy it or not. If you bought it, then it does not entitle you to reclaim the money for that service! Or do you also go to the cinema and later stand at the box office and demand your money back?
Get a grip on yourself boy! My opinion!
You seem to be really upset about the subject ,
but I'll tell you something:
Cinemas can legally offer their services everywhere if they follow certain rules (licenses, age restrictions, trallala).
Online casinos are only allowed to do that here in SH, if they do/did that elsewhere they violate certain rules.
If a cinema breaks the rules it gets in trouble with the law and can be asked to pay. By the way, it's the same with butchers, bakeries and car dealers.
I will not, will not and cannot approve of such behavior. If someone deposits 10 EUR and wins 100,000 EUR and after years the casino comes around the corner and says that it was illegal and demands the money back, the cry is just as big. You must always and everywhere be aware of what service you buy
And yes it annoys me! For me this issue is so far away that I can't grasp or comprehend it at all
"I lost and that's why I want my money back because it's illegal anyway."
Don't I know this beforehand? Even if I find out later, I still draw a line under it. No one will ever see their drug dealer's money again. Drugs are also illegal
No, Tribeholz, the interpretation that EU law and the freedom to provide services/discrimination ban are relevant does not change with the case law of the Federal Court of Justice and the European Court of Justice. Precisely because the State Treaty on Gambling in the Federal Republic of Germany has been repeatedly classified as contrary to European law.
So simply as you represent it, it is also not.
But well, the OP good luck and all others a Merry Christmas
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Jokerboy wrote on 12/23/2020 at 3:38 pm
I will not, will not and cannot condone such behavior. If someone deposits 10 EUR and wins 100,000 EUR and after years the casino comes around the corner and says it was illegal and demands the money back, the screaming is just as big. You must always and everywhere be aware of what service you buy
And yes it annoys me! For me, this issue is so far away that I can't grasp or comprehend it at all
"I lost and that's why I want my money back because it's illegal anyway."
Don't I know this beforehand? Even if I find out later, I still draw a line under it. No one will ever see their drug dealer's money again. Drugs are illegal, too
That's why I've cleared the matter up.
Basically, those were only successful because they did not demand the money back from the casino itself, but from payment service providers, i.e. PayPal, Skrill, Visa, etc. Since the illegal act, the payment to the casinos, came from them, the player himself has not committed any illegal activity and has in most cases received right and could demand his money back from Paypal etc.. Rightfully demanded back
If one lost after a self-made transfer to the casino and demanded his money back, then the case was decided differently. Here, the illegal act was already with the player, and who does something illegal himself, regardless of whether knowingly or unscientifically, of course has no right to a refund
unicorn wrote on 23.12.2020 at 15:51
Basically, those only succeeded because they did not claim the money back from the casino itself, but from payment service providers, i.e. PayPal, Skrill, Visa, etc. Since the illegal act, the payment to the casinos, came from them, the player himself did not commit any illegal activity and in most cases got right and could demand his money back from Paypal etc. Rightfully demanded back
If one lost after a self-made transfer to the casino and demanded his money back, then the case was decided differently. Here, the illegal act was already with the player, and who does something illegal himself, regardless of whether knowingly or unscientifically, of course has no right to a refund.
Oh my god, so many myths, so much ignorance. NOTHING of this, really nothing, can be brought in line with current jurisprudence.
There is ONE! positive judgement of the LG Ulm concerning Paypal, this was already again cashed by the OLG Stuttgart. The plaintiff must take a formal detour via the ECJ and if this has regulated the jurisdiction (Germany or Luxembourg), EVENTUALLY an appeal to the BGH would be allowed. Duration in total approx. 5 years
There is a whole series of rulings by the higher regional courts, which declare the chargeback invalid (OLG HH, OLG BB, OLG St, OLG M)...
The classic Paypal Chargeback worked due to the fact that they are direct debits. And stakes from bets are void. THAT has always worked. That I have already done in 2010 at PartyPoker
The only rulings pro player are rulings from local courts. The jurisprudence contra chargeback is solidifying, through the multitude of LG and OLG jurisprudence
People please, here is so much trash, madness...
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Slothot wrote on 12/23/2020 at 4:28 pm
Oh my god, so many myths, so much ignorance. NOTHING of this, really nothing, can be brought in line with current case law.
There is ONE! positive judgement of the LG Ulm concerning PayPal, this was already again conceded by the OLG Stuttgart. The plaintiff must take a formal detour via the ECJ and if this has regulated the jurisdiction (Germany or Luxembourg), EVENTUALLY an appeal to the BGH would be allowed. Duration in total approx. 5 years
There is a whole series of rulings by the higher regional courts, which declare the chargeback invalid (OLG HH, OLG BB, OLG St, OLG M)...
The classic Paypal Chargeback worked due to the fact that they are direct debits. And stakes from bets are void. THAT has always worked. That I have already done in 2010 at PartyPoker
The only rulings pro player are rulings from local courts. The jurisprudence contra chargeback is solidifying, through the multitude of LG and OLG jurisprudence
People please, here is so much trash, madness...
The OLG judgments are only legally binding since the middle of this year, I just read it. Excuse me very much Mr. Slothot, that I was not quite up to date
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Even if it took a long time, I congratulate you that you now think/feel that way.
Secretly everyone wants to go there anyway...
Greetings
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This is probably the nicest post I've read here in a long time. That was a really good answer and I can understand you much better, at least I think so.
The latter is one of the most important things you can realize, the people around you are more important than you sometimes want to understand.
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A casino offers a service and you can buy it or not. If you have bought it, then it does not entitle you to reclaim the money for this service! Or do you go to the cinema and later stand at the box office and demand your money back?
Get a grip on yourself boy! My opinion!
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You seem to be really upset about the subject ,
but I'll tell you something:
Cinemas can legally offer their services everywhere if they follow certain rules (licenses, age restrictions, trallala).
Online casinos are only allowed to do that here in SH, if they do/did that elsewhere they violate certain rules.
If a cinema breaks the rules it gets in trouble with the law and can be asked to pay. By the way, it's the same with butchers, bakeries and car dealers.
Why should it be different with Online Casinos?
Therefore, the matter is settled.
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I will not, will not and cannot approve of such behavior. If someone deposits 10 EUR and wins 100,000 EUR and after years the casino comes around the corner and says that it was illegal and demands the money back, the cry is just as big. You must always and everywhere be aware of what service you buy
And yes it annoys me! For me this issue is so far away that I can't grasp or comprehend it at all
"I lost and that's why I want my money back because it's illegal anyway."
Don't I know this beforehand? Even if I find out later, I still draw a line under it. No one will ever see their drug dealer's money again. Drugs are also illegal
That's why I've solved the problem.
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So simply as you represent it, it is also not.
But well, the OP good luck and all others a Merry Christmas
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Basically, those were only successful because they did not demand the money back from the casino itself, but from payment service providers, i.e. PayPal, Skrill, Visa, etc. Since the illegal act, the payment to the casinos, came from them, the player himself has not committed any illegal activity and has in most cases received right and could demand his money back from Paypal etc.. Rightfully demanded back
If one lost after a self-made transfer to the casino and demanded his money back, then the case was decided differently. Here, the illegal act was already with the player, and who does something illegal himself, regardless of whether knowingly or unscientifically, of course has no right to a refund
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Oh my god, so many myths, so much ignorance. NOTHING of this, really nothing, can be brought in line with current jurisprudence.
There is ONE! positive judgement of the LG Ulm concerning Paypal, this was already again cashed by the OLG Stuttgart. The plaintiff must take a formal detour via the ECJ and if this has regulated the jurisdiction (Germany or Luxembourg), EVENTUALLY an appeal to the BGH would be allowed. Duration in total approx. 5 years
There is a whole series of rulings by the higher regional courts, which declare the chargeback invalid (OLG HH, OLG BB, OLG St, OLG M)...
The classic Paypal Chargeback worked due to the fact that they are direct debits. And stakes from bets are void. THAT has always worked. That I have already done in 2010 at PartyPoker
The only rulings pro player are rulings from local courts. The jurisprudence contra chargeback is solidifying, through the multitude of LG and OLG jurisprudence
People please, here is so much trash, madness...
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The OLG judgments are only legally binding since the middle of this year, I just read it. Excuse me very much Mr. Slothot, that I was not quite up to date
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