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If you deposit at Leopay with Trustly, Leopay is on the account statement and maybe the account.
If you deposit with Psc and want to pay on the new, foreign bank account, you have to verify it again in the casino.
May be the casino then says that at least one deposit must be made with the new account, otherwise it is not possible.
To Neteller, for example, you can only pay out if you have deposited 1x with it.
Whether that is with a foreign bank account also so, I do not know.
Do you understand what I mean.
No matter how, it will be at least 1x the new account and the recipient name on the account statements.
Surely not so bad, esseiden the bank employee has a lot of time and looks at allss very carefully.
No matter whether you verify e.g. PayPal, Neteller, everywhere is at least 1x this Verification booking in the account statements.
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So what? That's not bad with Neteller / Skrill....So you can also pay on the net quite normal purchases. I would not make me crazy now because of it
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I think it's great that a discussion with high-quality contributions has gathered here. That's what I wanted to do with the opening of this post, among other things
I have also already received several PM for I would also like to thank you again here. I read along every day, but please forgive me for wanting to stay out of the discussion a bit until I personally know something more specific
I think it's great that so many people here are behind me and it gives me courage to get this thing cleanly over the stage
Of course I will keep you up to date
I would like to mention again urgently that I am really "clean" and it is really only about the §285 StGB!
I am of the same opinion that it is probably a large concatenation of unfortunate circumstances with me. For me, the topic has definitely settled. Nevertheless, I think that it will change drastically in the current year, as far as the observation on the part of the bank and the state regarding online gambling is concerned. (My personal assessment)
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Please do not wait, but act immediately. This way you increase the chance that the proceedings will be stopped in advance. Which is in the long run cheaper and easier on your nerves.
As I already told you, we agree to pay the costs for the initial consultation and then we will see what happens. I am sure that we will find a solution in any case. You are welcome to pass on our imprint or contact details to the law firm so that they can get in touch with us.
You are really not alone. GambleJoe - and I am sure - the whole community are behind you. And there are a few others in the background in this industry who are doing the same
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Wooow😳... I take my hat off to that! 💚
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I do not understand the discussion? You are allowed to have as many bank accounts as you want. Neteller and Skrill are in the Sinnbkeine real banks and yes there you might think that this is purely used for gambling
If you open an account with Leopay, Bunq, Revolut, Monese, whatever, then you get a credit card with which you can withdraw at any ATM. You get a real IBAN like any other bank and you could even withdraw your salary on it.
You can also transfer a part of your salary or sum X to this account every month. Why does this have to have something to do with gambling? This can also serve as a savings account, a second account or whatever. Many people have an account with the savings bank and one with the German bank. You then have an account with the Sparkasse and Bunq, Leopay or whatever. That's perfectly legitimate.
And that a bank abroad, a complaint against you for gambling in Germany is as good as impossible. It is an extreme rarity even with German banks. Otherwise, there would be not only one thread here, but hundreds of this kind.
And as I said, I am almost sure that this case will either be dropped or the TE will be acquitted in the worst case in the second instance. And from then on, the last forest and meadow judge will finally understand that German criminal law does not apply in such cases.
The second account is always a good idea - also independent of the gambling. Who wants to have all his money in only one bank? Spreading the Risk is always a good idea
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I think most would if they hear
Bank abroad
think of tax fraud.
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Well, if you are an entrepreneur maybe. It is perfectly legitimate as a private person to have an account abroad. You like the offer there. At Revolut, for example, you can trade bitcoins directly, quickly and easily. Bunq has lightning transfer for emergencies bspw.
I don't know but you don't have to declare yourself to everything. With some banks you automatically have a foreign health Insurance, which one can possibly always use.
I think no one cares if I transfer a part of my salary or sum X to another bank account which belongs to me. How should I evade taxes?
I can also have my salary transferred directly there. It is automatically already taxed.
The only problem I see is if more money comes back to a German account than what was transferred there. This could then possibly raise questions about the origin of the money
Or if I now crack a million Jackpot and then want to buy a house. But if one has millions on a foreign account, then that is first safe, one can be advised then completely relaxed by a lawyer and takes in the worst case a legal dispute in purchase where one is probably acquitted anyway at the end. And in the worst-case scenario, you move abroad and that's it. There are worse things than living abroad with several million.
But since gambling has a negative expected value, most players will not have to worry about these issues ...
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ATTENTION NOW COMES A ROMAN 😅😂😂 for typos wg tablet keyboard also a sorry but I hau the now so out- just read the!
Hej,
please do not take it personally - I do not want to accuse you of anything -
blindly drauflos HETZEN just because I can not imagine it, is not my thing, then I prefer to say garnix u think my part!!!
I make here only one unprejudiced expression - on the basis me here, from you, made available facts - from your description of the circumstances, how it should have come according to your statement to a preliminary investigation against you. ("should be" because no proof but only your statement is available)
That this possibility exists under certain circumstances, I do not question - the proceedings are public and the judgments are accordingly accessible to everyone and can be read.
A few years ago we had a case in the circle of acquaintances, in which out of the blue such a case came in by mail, but this was a copyright case and in this case there is no public interest and therefore it is despite a criminal case a reporting offense. which means that the public prosecutor's office does not initiate investigations on its own - it must first be the injured party a CRIMINAL CASE at the prosecutor's office of the competent CIVIL COURT
As a rule, a written demand is made by the injured party's lawyers, naming the alleged violations, etc. etc. etc.
But this is a different matter, I only mentioned it because it is an Internet activity.
ALSOOO
What immediately struck me in your description and made me wonder is the procedure of your bank
The account movements over an amount of 2000€ in a booking process since the banking secrecy was legally lifted - are reportable to the tax office is known and everyone was informed about it by his bank. But that does not mean that you get there big what of, is presumably automated.
Likewise, it is quite possible if at once high sums that obviously fall out of the frame, in and out or excessive activities are suddenly determined, that your case worker of your bank regarding this reports to you.
However, you will never experience that a bank contacts you via email or telephone and discusses this with you in this way.
This would make the bank liable to prosecution.
If it is a small town and a small branch where everyone knows everyone, it may be that you receive a call but only with the request - personally in this to talk to clarify conspicuous account activities!
Neither facts, nor facts, nor more precise reasons are named postal, via email, nor on the phone!
On site, everything is then clarified and to receive a win from an online casino is not a crime.
It is also not forbidden to transfer the win from your e-wallet to your bank account.
One-time high cash receipts, provided that the bank account holder has a regular job and therefore regular salary receipts, will remain unmentioned in most cases.
It could be money from the private sale of the car or you buy and sell something privately. Commercial trade without business is prohibited but private is allowed, what you do with your stuff is your thing!
The bank is not really concerned with where you get your money from or what you spend it on. Unless there are frequent conspicuous movements that exceed the normal scope of a private person, the origin is questionable and the intended use does not explain this - or suddenly from online sites many debits are made or withdrawn from the machine and the balance, the Verfügungsrahmen are exhausted,
also to protect the account holder from criminal acts that occur without his knowledge - the bank will contact one.
The online casino ban applies to operators. In Germany, licenses are only issued in certain states and the license casinos may only grant access to players who are resident and registered in these states.
This has less to do with the money laundering law but with the tax law.
The legislation is not federal, but rather a matter for the states.
Winnings from casinos, lotteries, Scratch cards, and lotteries from TV programs are paid out to the winner untaxed and remain untaxed for a period of one year.
If the win is not spent after one year and is still in the bank account, the (lottery) millions are taxed.
The providers of gambling halls, casinos, lotteries, etc. will be asked to pay high taxes.
There the Glückspelbehörde is very exact and the commission ensures that these no mischief in their favor and to the disadvantage of the players anstellen. hence the defaults to the distribution of profits etc
As always, in legislation, the devil is in the details.
Betting, for example, is not prohibited online
and both the Provider income and the players or their transacted bet amount and the profits from it, are taxed and this is to be deducted to certain % before the payment of a win.
AND HERE WE COME TO THE POINT THAT MAKES ONLINE GAMBLING POSSIBLE - GAMES THAT RUN UNDER LICENSES OF PERMITTED COUNTRIES ARE ACCESSIBLE TO US BECAUSE
THESE ARE NOT SETTLED AS CASINO WINNINGS BUT UNDER BETTING
LEGAL CASINOS RUN WITH LEGALLY ISSUED LICENSES FROM COUNTRIES THAT ARE FISCALLY COMPLIANT AND ABIDE BY OUR LEGISLATION. Therefore, some games in an online casino are not available to german players and any wins from them, e.g. under vpn, are illegal.
The operators will always make sure that they do not make themselves liable to prosecution and therefore the stated paragraph is not applicable!
That to this point!
Then your word choice, which you use around the further details to tell, lets me somewhat doubt whether you really ever such a letter in your hands held.
Someone investigating the prosecution - receives
1. a Summons for a Complaints Hearing
and then it is not called a complaint but a
CRIMINAL CHARGE IS FILED WITH THE STATE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.
Believe me who is confronted with these accusations will have internalized these words.
Likewise, you will never have held any of this in your hand and experience the CRIMINAL POLICE standing in front of your door with a search warrant
I found that almost amusing -
because if you know what you can expect then you can make relevant evidence disappear.
Therefore, a house search is ALWAYS done BEFORE A WRITTEN SUSPENSION FOR A PENALTY!!!!
Subsequently, the summons only makes sense once the evidence has been seized.
There you also get a colorful paper, which is one of the hard copies on which the seized evidence is noted and which you then after the PROCEDURE so AFTER THE NEGOTIATION IS COMPLETED AND A JUDGMENT TALKED back!!!!
Unless the prosecutor's office has officially discontinued the investigation against you, which you will then also learn by mail and then get your property back at the police station!
A lawyer is searched in a criminal case, with an accusation of this magnitude - immediately on!
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE HOUSE SEARCH AND BEFORE THE SUBPOENA. EVERYONE WHO HAS HAD THE CRIMINAL POLICE AT HOME IN REAL LIFE AND HAS BEEN LECTURED THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, GOES TO THE LAWYER.
IN THE SUMMONS YOU WILL FIND OUT THE EXACT CHARGE, ON THE BASIS OF WHICH EVIDENCE, TESTIMONY, ETC
MONEY LAUNDERING is not accused on the basis of a single incident, they are very precise and first watch for quite a while before they decide to become active.
As a rule, criminal acts that have been repeatedly committed knowingly - also actively, in this Umpfang you have described pursued
Everything else, such as using VPN to get a win or using false data to hide the money from the authorities, receiving social benefits, etc., will be prosecuted if caught in a criminal case
If you were caught in a fine procedure, negotiated without your presence and served with a fine by decision
The only thing I read as credible is that your VR Bank has terminated the account, which can have many reasons
(Misuse, overdraft without compensation, garnishment, etc.) VR Bank belongs to the Raiffeisen Group and is a private bank (shareholder) and one becomes as a bank account holder automatically with an amount due at closing, a shareholder.
They are not obligated to provide anyone with a bank account and can terminate your account for a certain reason if you are a customer there
In contrast to, for example, savings bank because they are obliged to anyone who does not have an account,
(no matter how it stands financially, whether the homeless or whatever)
to set up a bank account on P-basis without Dispo!
So and now my essay is in novel form to end😂😅 Sorry, for the length but I thought I wear here times a few facts together as an argument - I let me also like to teach me better.
But that the content of your statement does not go so completely CONFORM, is to be understood on the basis of the points, or not?
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