Have read through the whole thing again and thought about it
Always provided that everything is as described:
In the end, the bank did not report that payments came from a casino, but unusual payments from PayPal, which they found conspicuous
Thus, even the use of e wallets would be of no use, if you get to such a bank employee
If I come to the conclusion that the story is true and not an isolated case, I will draw my consequences to keep my account free of unusual payments. Which means let all casino accounts rest and sportwetten bei oddset oder tipicobude. Since I don't use onlinebanking and no kk and therefore no ewallets, payments on my checking account are mostly directly recognizable as online wins, also this would possibly be better to avoid in terms of scoring etc
Still undecided, but evtl, I will see the bad feeling as an opportunity to gamble considerably less by exclusively using analog sports betting and wins in cash!
I would like to read a further assessment from the GJ team, also regarding the Skype conversation of Daniel with the TE, and then I will draw my conclusions
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Stromberg wrote on 04/03/2019 at 20:24: Read through the whole thing again and thought about it
Always assuming everything is as described:
The bottom line is that the bank did not report that payments came from a casino, but unusual payments from PayPal, which they found conspicuous
Thus, even the use of e wallets would be of no use, if you get to such a bank employee
If I come to the conclusion that the story is true and not an isolated case, I will draw my consequences to keep my account free of unusual payments. Which means let all casino accounts rest and sportwetten bei oddset oder tipicobude. Since I don't use onlinebanking and no kk and therefore no ewallets, payments on my checking account are mostly directly recognizable as online wins, also this would possibly be better to avoid in terms of scoring etc
Still undecided, but evtl, I will see the bad feeling as an opportunity to gamble considerably less by exclusively using analog sports betting and wins in cash!
I would like to read a further assessment from the GJ team, also regarding the Skype conversation of Daniel with the TE, and then I will draw my conclusions
Do you seriously think the GJ here times clearly takes a stand on how delicate the whole playing in Online Casinos is now? So they would shoot themselves in the knee. That's exactly why there was never an article or statement about this. This is not entirely new for those who have dealt with it a bit in recent times. At the latest since this strange Monatana Black was arrested and they have searched the booth, it was clear to me personally that it will not take long before it will hit the first normal users (at least those who win large sums and who handle everything through the bank)
@ Latino:
You should pay attention to this article as it is legally sound in all respects (see sources below).
About the so-called media lawyer:
This is not a real media lawyer, but a lawyer who likes to speak out in the media and read from the law. He has nothing whatsoever to do with gambling law, and any lawyer who is even slightly familiar with this matter will confirm this.
Here you will find an overview of real media lawyers and lawyers with expertise in gambling law:
https://www.legal500.de/c/deutschland/medien/entertainment
Of course, Mr. Solmecke does not appear here.
@ Ludio:
You write MontanaBlack was arrested, that is wrong. Only a (still completely open) preliminary investigation was initiated against him
Latino wrote on 04/03/2019 at 18:53: @roro28
Why should anyone pay attention to this article ? Yes, it is written worth reading, but who is the author and what qualifies him to give an assessment of the legal situation ?
Yes who do you think?
But maybe the one or the other comes there itself still on it
-alternatively he could introduce himself
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roro28 wrote on 04/03/2019 21:02: @ Latino:
You should pay attention to this article as it is legally sound in all respects (see sources below).
Regarding the so-called media lawyer:
This is not a real media lawyer, but a lawyer who likes to speak in the media and read from the law. He has nothing whatsoever to do with gambling law, and any lawyer who is even slightly familiar with this matter will confirm this.
Here you will find an overview of real media lawyers and lawyers with expertise in gambling law:
https://www.legal500.de/c/deutschland/medien/entertainment
Of course, Mr. Solmecke does not appear here.
@ Ludio:
You write MontanaBlack was arrested, that is wrong. Only a (still completely open) preliminary investigation was initiated against him
Correct..there I must correct myself. His house was searched and his account was seized. In addition, charges were filed against him for several things
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Interesting how some spontaneously decide to stop gambling after reading an article.
Don't get me wrong, but I've been trying to do this for a year now
and had/have actually better Arrgumente for a stop than the warning contribution of a forum member...but irgentwie I do not pack correctly.
Well, maybe I don't want that either - but hats off to those who manage that so suddenly!
@Unrealmaster32: If the investigations against you are still running and they have previously searched your PC & Co. there isses vleicht not so wise here your whole story truthfully serve up...
Cryptique wrote on 04/03/2019 21:42: Interesting how some spontaneously stop gambling after reading an article.
Don't get me wrong, but I've been trying to do this for a year now
and had/have actually better Arrgumente for a stop than the warning contribution of a forum member...but irgentwie I do not pack this correctly.
Well, maybe I don't want that either - but hats off to those who manage that so suddenly!
@Unrealmaster32: If the investigations against you are still running and they have previously searched your PC & Co. there isses vleicht not so wise here your whole story truthfully aufutischen...
Why if you do not make it you just play offline further, it's now only about the online gaming and I'm up to regulation now for now out
Cryptique wrote on 04/03/2019 21:42: Interesting how some spontaneously stop gambling after reading an article.
Don't get me wrong, but I've been trying to do this for a year now
and had/have actually better Arrgumente for a stop than the warning contribution of a forum member...but irgentwie I do not pack this correctly.
Well, maybe I don't want that either - but hats off to those who manage that so suddenly!
@Unrealmaster32: If the investigations against you are still running and they have previously searched your PC & Co. there isses vleicht not so wise to tell your whole story truthfully here...
Well it was never an option for me to sign up in some weird OC or to go to the Spielo. When I set my Deposit limits in the past, at all casinos where I am registered and verified, I was fine with playing only that amount. The stop would mean for me: 20 minutes head off, block all casinos for eg 6 months, and the issue would be through.
Sports betting I would play as I said then offline...
The preliminary proceedings for money laundering against Montanablack in connection with his streamed participation in Online Casinos has thus already been discontinued once simply because there was no sufficient suspicion of a crime.
If one follows the attorney Solmecke, then now also the procedure must be stopped because of the participation in illicit gambling.
Because in this video he maintains starting from minute 2:20 that the participation in illegal gambling always entails a procedure because of money laundering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77kvFohd9i8
So if there is no probable cause for money laundering, there can be no probable cause for participation in illegal gambling, at least if you take Mr. Solmecke seriously.
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Always provided that everything is as described:
In the end, the bank did not report that payments came from a casino, but unusual payments from PayPal, which they found conspicuous
Thus, even the use of e wallets would be of no use, if you get to such a bank employee
If I come to the conclusion that the story is true and not an isolated case, I will draw my consequences to keep my account free of unusual payments. Which means let all casino accounts rest and sportwetten bei oddset oder tipicobude. Since I don't use onlinebanking and no kk and therefore no ewallets, payments on my checking account are mostly directly recognizable as online wins, also this would possibly be better to avoid in terms of scoring etc
Still undecided, but evtl, I will see the bad feeling as an opportunity to gamble considerably less by exclusively using analog sports betting and wins in cash!
I would like to read a further assessment from the GJ team, also regarding the Skype conversation of Daniel with the TE, and then I will draw my conclusions
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Do you seriously think the GJ here times clearly takes a stand on how delicate the whole playing in Online Casinos is now? So they would shoot themselves in the knee. That's exactly why there was never an article or statement about this. This is not entirely new for those who have dealt with it a bit in recent times. At the latest since this strange Monatana Black was arrested and they have searched the booth, it was clear to me personally that it will not take long before it will hit the first normal users (at least those who win large sums and who handle everything through the bank)
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You should pay attention to this article as it is legally sound in all respects (see sources below).
About the so-called media lawyer:
This is not a real media lawyer, but a lawyer who likes to speak out in the media and read from the law. He has nothing whatsoever to do with gambling law, and any lawyer who is even slightly familiar with this matter will confirm this.
Here you will find an overview of real media lawyers and lawyers with expertise in gambling law:
https://www.legal500.de/c/deutschland/medien/entertainment
Of course, Mr. Solmecke does not appear here.
@ Ludio:
You write MontanaBlack was arrested, that is wrong. Only a (still completely open) preliminary investigation was initiated against him
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Yes who do you think?
But maybe the one or the other comes there itself still on it
-alternatively he could introduce himself
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Correct..there I must correct myself. His house was searched and his account was seized. In addition, charges were filed against him for several things
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Don't get me wrong, but I've been trying to do this for a year now
and had/have actually better Arrgumente for a stop than the warning contribution of a forum member...but irgentwie I do not pack correctly.
Well, maybe I don't want that either - but hats off to those who manage that so suddenly!
@Unrealmaster32: If the investigations against you are still running and they have previously searched your PC & Co. there isses vleicht not so wise here your whole story truthfully serve up...
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Why if you do not make it you just play offline further, it's now only about the online gaming and I'm up to regulation now for now out
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The possession of cannabis is also punishable. Whether a prosecutor wants to open a case for 2 grams of substance is another shoe.
There is no gray area in this respect
Anyone who claims otherwise, please cite a lawyer as a source.
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Well it was never an option for me to sign up in some weird OC or to go to the Spielo. When I set my Deposit limits in the past, at all casinos where I am registered and verified, I was fine with playing only that amount. The stop would mean for me: 20 minutes head off, block all casinos for eg 6 months, and the issue would be through.
Sports betting I would play as I said then offline...
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https://twitter.com/MontanaBlack/status/1110491589376380929
The preliminary proceedings for money laundering against Montanablack in connection with his streamed participation in Online Casinos has thus already been discontinued once simply because there was no sufficient suspicion of a crime.
If one follows the attorney Solmecke, then now also the procedure must be stopped because of the participation in illicit gambling.
Because in this video he maintains starting from minute 2:20 that the participation in illegal gambling always entails a procedure because of money laundering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77kvFohd9i8
So if there is no probable cause for money laundering, there can be no probable cause for participation in illegal gambling, at least if you take Mr. Solmecke seriously.
By the way, here is another very well-founded legal article by Professor Marc Liesching on the subject:
https://community.beck.de/2018/08/06/glueckspielverwaltungsrecht-ist-nicht-gleich-gluecksspielstrafrecht
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