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Online Casinos in general: Sue Platincasino? (Page 17)

Topic created on 18th Nov. 2021 | Page: 17 of 19 | Answers: 188 | Views: 46,688
kleo7777
Experienced

garfield68 wrote on 04.04.2023 at 16:03: is the Platincasino.com with you also just not available? with me comes since yesterday evening always only the message "maintenance"

But several times reload page then it goes ... there are probably currently problems even with the Easter action

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frapi07
Elite

Falcon wrote 04.04.2023 at 13:43:

Sure, it's your fault if you Deposit there. But theoretically you could sue for the money and that is solely the casino's fault. The casinos know that it is not legal in your country and they also know that you can theoretically sue. Thus, the casinos take the Risk consciously. My only point is that in this story, the player is definitely not the immoral one. The player is the loser in every respect. What is at most an expense for the casino can be of existential importance for the player.


I agree with you 100%. Both the casinos and the players are partly to blame. The casinos offer illegal gambling and most players participate in it knowingly. Even if there are some who do not know, it is still true that ignorance is no excuse.




Falcon wrote on 04.04.2023 at 13:43:


Casinos have no qualms about taking funds from players illegally. That's the point. No legal contract is formed. All the terms and conditions or whatever, are invalid, because it comes to no valid contract between both parties. Most players do not know this and these casinos take advantage of this, because they want to stuff their pockets as full as possible. So they do this completely consciously and ignore the legal situation completely consciously. And a player who then sues for his rights is then the one with the morally reprehensible behavior? I think that's an inversion of the facts.

I agree in part, because I think that you should inform yourself in advance where you play and especially: where you deposit your money!


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Spielsucht21

Milo1 wrote on 03.04.2023 at 16:39:

Moral or not, if you had a security to get back the lost money via a process financier, no one would say no. Is but bullshit who says he refuses it.

If you lost 500 in the hall and you go out and the employees there hold 250 out for you at the end, you won't say no either....
It's the same thing, only without a middleman in between.
I myself think basically the same way, lost is lost, however, I would go the same way if I had a safe box in the direction.
In the circle of acquaintances I have a few who are currently striving for it via nen process financiers. If they are successful, I will also have one or the other casino check whether what is possible.
Why not 🤷🏻‍♂️

#6 you have written something completely different....

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gamble1
Legend
Spielsucht21 wrote on 11.06.2023 at 03:53:

#6 you wrote something else entirely....

Haha did you read through everything again now ? But right you are

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moralischverwerflich
Expert

Spielsucht21 wrote on 11.06.2023 at 03:53:

#6 you wrote something else entirely....

Agree with you. Opinions change.... Especially when you see successes in black and white in your circle of acquaintances.....

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gamble1
Legend

Milo1 wrote on 11/06/2023 at 12:37 PM:

Agree with you. Opinions change.... Especially when you see successes in black and white in your circle of acquaintances.....

At least you stand by it ...... I know so many who would have now looked for 1000 reasons to talk out

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Falke
Expert

Milo1 wrote on 11/06/2023 at 12:37 PM:

Agree with you. Opinions change.... Especially when you see successes in black and white in your circle of acquaintances.....

That's how it is.


I just find it stupid when you can reclaim thousands or even tens of thousands of euros and don't do it because of a strange moral understanding. You're not harming anyone innocent, you're just getting your own money back legitimately, which the illegal casinos are keeping.

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gamble1
Legend

Falcon wrote on 12/06/2023 at 12:36 PM:

That's right.


Just find it stupid when you can reclaim thousands or even tens of thousands of euros and you don't do it because of some weird moral understanding. You don't harm innocent people, you just get your own money back, which the illegal casinos keep.

Well no one harm is just also wrong I think you have to be clear about how you could incriminate the employees as Andre has recently posted under a comment

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Falke
Expert

gamble1 wrote on 12/06/2023 at 12:41 PM:

Well no one harm is just wrong I think you have to be clear about how you could burden the employees as Andre has recently posted under a comment

What a bad argument. Should one protect therefore also the mafia, because thereby so many coworkers could suffer from it?


Is that really so hard to understand, that the casinos are illegal and the casinos act completely consciously illegal? But, but, the poor employees. The gambling addicts who lose their entire livelihood are of course not as important as any support staff working for an illegal casino.

And by the way: You and all the others don't give a damn about the employees. You like to throw such an argument into the room to have any argument at all. Ohoh, the poor employees.

The poor employees work for an illegal casino and this has already been decided at the EU level. It's all been litigated through from start to finish, there's no doubt or disagreement. Constitutional court, supreme court, European court.

Furthermore, not a single casino goes bankrupt because of refunds. These are funds for which no product was sold anyway.
And many casinos are still operating in Austria and Germany for the sole reason that the whole thing is still financially worthwhile TROTZ Rückzahlungen.

Sorry, but I'm getting really p**sed off about the unthought-out arguments that are being brought in here and how naively you can approach the subject. The German and Austrian markets are still attractive enough that the casinos without a license and despite clawbacks still allow players from here.

And not a single player who is in trouble and has lost tens of thousands of euros is interested in even a single employee of a company worth millions or even billions.

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frapi07
Elite
The argument with the employees is perhaps misunderstood. Maybe Gamble1 means the industry. I don't think supporters or employees of OCs will be terminated just because German players sue back their losses. I think the "good" casinos will take a hit. I mean the kind of casinos that do business in illegality, but unlike other casinos tend to be the good ones. Every casino has its shortcomings and it is impossible to find one that is perfect. Winz has good Bonuses and is customer friendly, but has to improve in terms of player protection. Then there are other casinos (Platin), where spongy rules stand and that is also not changed. Nevertheless, I think that exactly such casinos as Winz will bear a loss from this. Just like the players who actually just want to play, because many casinos will then withdraw from the German market and the sufferer is just the good player. As a final result, such players then only have the opportunity to gamble in such rip-off booths like Tipico Casino, where the RTP is underground. The offer is a rip-off, worse than Platin and the worst thing is that it is considered legal from the state side.

But yes, I do not feel sorry for the casinos that have annoyed the players with long Verification processes, have spammed with offers or have made unnecessary requirements (eg: photo where you show your ID where you can also see the street sign + house number).

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