Not at all unrealistic 😉 in the case of repayments there is not infrequently a confidentiality agreement....
Well, you could write anonymously that it works out after all, without giving away important information. Don't think that they will then assign you to find out the identity of that person.
Anyway, my morals say that suing an online casino is not right (no matter if illegal or legal). You were not forced to play and you should accept the consequences. Platin usually pays out smoothly (except for violations of the terms and conditions).
Well, you could write anonymously that it works after all, without giving away important information. Don't think they would then hire you to find out the identity of that person.
Anyway, my morals say that suing an online casino is not right (no matter if illegal or legal). You were not forced to play and you should accept the consequences. Platin usually pays out smoothly (except for violations of the terms and conditions).
And I say, to argue at all with something like morality on the subject of Online Casinos is questionable. The casinos know the legal situation and could also simply withdraw their offer in Germany/Austria. But many do not, out of greed. But then they also have to expect that the money will be claimed again.
The casinos make a large part of their income from gambling addicts. There is also nothing to talk up. Nobody without a gambling problem gambles away tens of thousands of euros and repeats this mistake over and over again. No matter how often you tell yourself that you don't have a gambling problem.
It may well be that everyone's Gambling addiction is different and that many people have so much under control that they don't gamble away their entire existence because of it. But that doesn't mean that it's normal to pump a lot of money into this "hobby".
There is almost always an addiction, in whatever form.
And I say, to argue at all with something like morality on the subject of Online Casinos is questionable. The casinos know the legal situation and could also simply withdraw their offer in Germany/Austria. But many do not, out of greed. But then they also have to expect that the money will be claimed again.
The casinos make a large part of their income from gambling addicts. There is also nothing to talk up. Nobody without a gambling problem gambles away tens of thousands of euros and repeats this mistake over and over again. No matter how often you tell yourself that you don't have a gambling problem.
It may well be that everyone's Gambling addiction is different and that many people have so much under control that they don't gamble away their entire existence because of it. But that doesn't mean that it's normal to pump a lot of money into this "hobby".
There is almost always an addiction, in whatever form.
They don't take back the offer from Germany because they won't pay anyway, even if they lose in court.
Well, you could write anonymously that it works after all, without giving away important information. Don't think they would then hire you to find out the identity of that person.
Anyway, my morals say that suing an online casino is not right (no matter if illegal or legal). You were not forced to play and you should accept the consequences. Platin usually pays out smoothly (except for violations of the terms and conditions).
Moral or not, if you had a security to get back the lost money through a process financer, no one would say no. Is bullshit who says that he refuses it.
If you lost 500 in the hall and you go out and the employees there hold 250 out for you at the end, you won't say no either....
It's the same thing, only without a middleman in between.
I myself think basically the same way, lost is lost, however, I would go the same way if I had a safe box in the direction.
In the circle of acquaintances I have a few who are currently striving for it via nen process financiers. If they are successful, I will also have one or the other casino check whether what is possible.
Why not 🤷🏻♂️
And I say, to argue at all with something like morality on the subject of Online Casinos is questionable. The casinos know the legal situation and could also simply withdraw their offer in Germany/Austria. But many do not, out of greed. But then they also have to expect that the money will be claimed again.
The casinos make a large part of their income from gambling addicts. There is also nothing to talk up. Nobody without a gambling problem gambles away tens of thousands of euros and repeats this mistake over and over again. No matter how often you tell yourself that you don't have a gambling problem.
It may well be that everyone's Gambling addiction is different and that many people have so much under control that they don't gamble away their entire existence because of it. But that doesn't mean that it's normal to pump a lot of money into this "hobby".
There is almost always an addiction, in whatever form.
Exactly the same could be argued with a drug addict and a dealer. Dealers know the law and the danger of addiction, but they don't care. However, this does not mean that a consumer can sue his "service provider" for reimbursement.
It is also logical that addicts generate the most revenue. This is true for every industry, no matter if tobacco, alcohol or video games. There are people who buy a game every now and then (e.g. I buy a game 2-3 times a year) and there are those who buy 4-5 games every month. Of course, they make the most sales with people who buy every game. Is also an addiction. You can see how bad it can get with FIFA (if you don't know it: you can buy so called packs in FUT, which get random player cards. Of course the strongest player cards (Ronaldo and some other legends) are very rare and you really have to spend thousands of Euros or be very lucky. I still think that people who are at least 16 years old and gamble their money away should not be entitled to a refund, unless they are legally incompetent.
Moral or not, if you had a security to get back the lost money via a process financier, no one would say no. Is but bullshit who says he refuses it.
If you lost 500 in the hall and you go out and the employees there hold 250 out for you at the end, you wouldn't say no either....
It's the same thing, only without a middleman in between.
I myself think basically the same way, lost is lost, however, I would go the same way if I had a safe box in the direction.
In the circle of acquaintances I have a few who are currently striving for it via nen process financiers. If they are successful, I will also have one or the other casino check whether what is possible.
Why not 🤷🏻♂️
If it runs off with everyone in such a way, then I would make it, otherwise not. If you put money on the line, you should be aware of the fact that you should write off the money first. Anyone who is not able to do this should not be allowed to play in my eyes.
frapi07 wrote on 03.04.2023 at 16:42:
This is exactly how you could argue with a drug addict and a dealer. Dealers know the law and the Risk of addiction, but they don't care. Still doesn't mean a consumer could sue their "service provider" for restitution.
It is also logical that addicts generate the most revenue. This is true for every industry, no matter if tobacco, alcohol or video games. There are people who buy a game every now and then (e.g. I buy a game 2-3 times a year) and there are those who buy 4-5 games every month. Of course, they make the most sales with people who buy every game. Is also an addiction. You can see how bad it can get with FIFA (if you don't know it: you can buy so called packs in FUT, which get random player cards. Of course the strongest player cards (Ronaldo and some other legends) are very rare and you really have to spend thousands of Euros or be very lucky. I still think that people who are at least 16 years old and gamble their money away should not be entitled to a refund, unless they are legally incompetent.
And what does all this have to do with my post that I think it is wrong to argue with morality in the casino area?
Or do you perceive drug dealers, the tobacco and alcohol industries as moral authorities? Just as I don't feel sorry for a tobacco company that has to pay compensation to cancer patients, I don't feel sorry for casinos that have to pay back gambled money.
And again, the reason people are entitled to a refund is because no legal contract has been made. The casinos have no license, period. At least in Austria, the legal situation is quite clear and ALL proceedings, really all proceedings, end in favor of the players. These are just the laws and the casinos know this, and yet many casinos still let Austrian players play, because they can not get their necks full enough because of greed. Serves them more than right when they then have to pay back the money.
Let's tell it like it is:
Anyone who illegally offers an online casino or other gambling in a country that had and still has a strictly regulated gambling market is simply a criminal.
Let's not kid ourselves, please: We are not talking about "serious businessmen" who create any added value or do anything for our national economy. We are talking about highwaymen and rip-off artists who - if they could - would take the very last shirt off anyone's back.
Morals, or these stupid sayings a la "gambling debts are debts of honor" are completely missing the point - apart from that: Anyone who has ever been hungry or had to sleep on a park bench in winter, knows that in such a situation "honor" or morals will get you nowhere.
And what does all this have to do with my post that I think it is wrong in the casino area to argue with morality?
Or do you perceive drug dealers, the tobacco and alcohol industries as moral entities? Just as I don't feel sorry for a tobacco company that has to pay compensation to cancer patients, I don't feel sorry for casinos that have to pay back gambled money.
And again, the reason people are entitled to a refund is because no legal contract has been made. The casinos have no license, period. At least in Austria, the legal situation is quite clear and ALL proceedings, really all proceedings, end in favor of the players. These are just the laws and the casinos know this, and yet many casinos still let Austrian players play, because they can not get their necks full enough because of greed. Serves them more than right when they then have to pay back the money.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I do not prescribe anyone to think or act exactly like me. It is wrong, if I or someone else dictates what should be right or wrong. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves.
I have never heard that a tobacco company in Germany had to pay compensation to cancer patients. Why should a casino do it then? Most people play casino for one reason only: to make money. That is the reason why I hold the opinion that refunds are morally wrong. Just as the casinos are greedy, so are the players.
I would sign it if the people who went with profit had to pay the money back to the casinos as well. Then it would be fair. That the contract is void, I understand. But I see it as morally reprehensible if only one of the parties has to pay back the money.
Antiheld1335 wrote on 04/03/2023 at 19:15: Let's tell it like it is:
Anyone who illegally offers an online casino or other gambling in a country that had and still has a strictly regulated gambling market is simply a criminal.
Let's not kid ourselves, please: We are not talking about "serious businessmen" who create any added value or do anything for our national economy. We are talking about highwaymen and rip-off artists who - if they could - would take the very last shirt off anyone's back.
Morals, or these stupid sayings a la "gambling debts are debts of honor" are completely missing the point - apart from that: Anyone who has ever been hungry or had to sleep on a park bench in winter knows that in such a situation "honor" or morals will get you nowhere.
Happens not only online. In my area, there were several raids against illegal gambling 3 days ago (source: Raid in Nuremberg and Fürth: Police target illegal gambling | Nordbayern). Illegal gambling will always exist both online and offline. The reason is simple: the state restricts you too much here and some don't want to accept that. I can understand that. Who wants the restrictions that are only found in gambling houses? If you go to a casino, you will not find these restrictions. This has absolutely nothing to do with Player protection or addiction prevention or whatever. The state wants to make a profit and is trying to get the gambling houses to close. In Middle Franconia, the nearest casino is in Feuchtwangen, 80 km from Nuremberg. I certainly don't drive 160 km just to be allowed to play in a casino.
The road has its own laws. We are talking about gambling here. Someone who sleeps outside in the winter will certainly not have any money to spare for gambling.
Moral or not, if you had a security to get back the lost money via a process financier, no one would say no. Is but bullshit who says he refuses it.
If you lost 500 in the hall and you go out and the employees there hold 250 out for you at the end, you won't say no either....
It's the same thing, only without a middleman in between.
I myself think basically the same way, lost is lost, however, I would go the same way if I had a safe box in the direction.
In the circle of acquaintances I have a few who are currently striving for it via nen process financiers. If they are successful, I will also have one or the other casino check whether what is possible.
Why not 🤷🏻♂️
If they give it to you voluntarily I would take it too
Surely soon comes the great addition of everyone who wants to sue back his money ends up at Oasis
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Well, you could write anonymously that it works out after all, without giving away important information. Don't think that they will then assign you to find out the identity of that person.
Anyway, my morals say that suing an online casino is not right (no matter if illegal or legal). You were not forced to play and you should accept the consequences. Platin usually pays out smoothly (except for violations of the terms and conditions).
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And I say, to argue at all with something like morality on the subject of Online Casinos is questionable. The casinos know the legal situation and could also simply withdraw their offer in Germany/Austria. But many do not, out of greed. But then they also have to expect that the money will be claimed again.
The casinos make a large part of their income from gambling addicts. There is also nothing to talk up. Nobody without a gambling problem gambles away tens of thousands of euros and repeats this mistake over and over again. No matter how often you tell yourself that you don't have a gambling problem.
It may well be that everyone's Gambling addiction is different and that many people have so much under control that they don't gamble away their entire existence because of it. But that doesn't mean that it's normal to pump a lot of money into this "hobby".
There is almost always an addiction, in whatever form.
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They don't take back the offer from Germany because they won't pay anyway, even if they lose in court.
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Moral or not, if you had a security to get back the lost money through a process financer, no one would say no. Is bullshit who says that he refuses it.
If you lost 500 in the hall and you go out and the employees there hold 250 out for you at the end, you won't say no either....
It's the same thing, only without a middleman in between.
I myself think basically the same way, lost is lost, however, I would go the same way if I had a safe box in the direction.
In the circle of acquaintances I have a few who are currently striving for it via nen process financiers. If they are successful, I will also have one or the other casino check whether what is possible.
Why not 🤷🏻♂️
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Exactly the same could be argued with a drug addict and a dealer. Dealers know the law and the danger of addiction, but they don't care. However, this does not mean that a consumer can sue his "service provider" for reimbursement.
It is also logical that addicts generate the most revenue. This is true for every industry, no matter if tobacco, alcohol or video games. There are people who buy a game every now and then (e.g. I buy a game 2-3 times a year) and there are those who buy 4-5 games every month. Of course, they make the most sales with people who buy every game. Is also an addiction. You can see how bad it can get with FIFA (if you don't know it: you can buy so called packs in FUT, which get random player cards. Of course the strongest player cards (Ronaldo and some other legends) are very rare and you really have to spend thousands of Euros or be very lucky. I still think that people who are at least 16 years old and gamble their money away should not be entitled to a refund, unless they are legally incompetent.
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If it runs off with everyone in such a way, then I would make it, otherwise not. If you put money on the line, you should be aware of the fact that you should write off the money first. Anyone who is not able to do this should not be allowed to play in my eyes.
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And what does all this have to do with my post that I think it is wrong to argue with morality in the casino area?
Or do you perceive drug dealers, the tobacco and alcohol industries as moral authorities? Just as I don't feel sorry for a tobacco company that has to pay compensation to cancer patients, I don't feel sorry for casinos that have to pay back gambled money.
And again, the reason people are entitled to a refund is because no legal contract has been made. The casinos have no license, period. At least in Austria, the legal situation is quite clear and ALL proceedings, really all proceedings, end in favor of the players. These are just the laws and the casinos know this, and yet many casinos still let Austrian players play, because they can not get their necks full enough because of greed. Serves them more than right when they then have to pay back the money.
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Anyone who illegally offers an online casino or other gambling in a country that had and still has a strictly regulated gambling market is simply a criminal.
Let's not kid ourselves, please: We are not talking about "serious businessmen" who create any added value or do anything for our national economy. We are talking about highwaymen and rip-off artists who - if they could - would take the very last shirt off anyone's back.
Morals, or these stupid sayings a la "gambling debts are debts of honor" are completely missing the point - apart from that: Anyone who has ever been hungry or had to sleep on a park bench in winter, knows that in such a situation "honor" or morals will get you nowhere.
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Everyone is entitled to his opinion. I do not prescribe anyone to think or act exactly like me. It is wrong, if I or someone else dictates what should be right or wrong. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves.
I have never heard that a tobacco company in Germany had to pay compensation to cancer patients. Why should a casino do it then? Most people play casino for one reason only: to make money. That is the reason why I hold the opinion that refunds are morally wrong. Just as the casinos are greedy, so are the players.
I would sign it if the people who went with profit had to pay the money back to the casinos as well. Then it would be fair. That the contract is void, I understand. But I see it as morally reprehensible if only one of the parties has to pay back the money.
Happens not only online. In my area, there were several raids against illegal gambling 3 days ago (source: Raid in Nuremberg and Fürth: Police target illegal gambling | Nordbayern). Illegal gambling will always exist both online and offline. The reason is simple: the state restricts you too much here and some don't want to accept that. I can understand that. Who wants the restrictions that are only found in gambling houses? If you go to a casino, you will not find these restrictions. This has absolutely nothing to do with Player protection or addiction prevention or whatever. The state wants to make a profit and is trying to get the gambling houses to close. In Middle Franconia, the nearest casino is in Feuchtwangen, 80 km from Nuremberg. I certainly don't drive 160 km just to be allowed to play in a casino.
The road has its own laws. We are talking about gambling here. Someone who sleeps outside in the winter will certainly not have any money to spare for gambling.
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If they give it to you voluntarily I would take it too
Surely soon comes the great addition of everyone who wants to sue back his money ends up at Oasis
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