garfield68 wrote on 05.06.2020 at 18:42 clock: me personally disturbs it also most that autostart and turbo should be abolished. that will then in some games really very boring I think
Or very, very annoying. Scatter teaser games like BOD or all Gamomats are unplayable for me without Fastspin. Every few spins there's a tantalizingly slow "2 books-huhu-thrilling" sequence. If I have to "enjoy" that in full length and splendor in the future, it will f**k me up pretty quickly
The stated changes in the new gambling treaty are in my opinion not quite thought through to the end and in the current version only worth half.
The Player protection is in the new version apparently again only incidental
It's probably just about the additional revenue for the state, which is currently not available in the online casino.
Bet restrictions, autostart, quick play
The restrictions (no autostart, no fast play, max. 1.00 EUR) I find from super.
If you spin slower, if you have to confirm each spin with a click, you might think twice about whether you really want to keep playing.
This simply means that you lose your money more slowly and can thus play yourself "less" into a frenzy.
In the Spielo you have a limit of 80.00 EUR per hour, right?
In the game BoD online you can play 100 spins (without free spins) in 3 minutes, if you have the autostart and the fast play.
In the hour you can theoretically lose 10,000 EUR at BoD.
With the new setting (no autostart, no fast play, max. 1.00 EUR) 100 spins take about 6 minutes, so you can only lose 1/10 as much per hour (1000.00 EUR) -> 1/10 -> more conscious gambling.
Limit
Personally, I find the communicated limit of 1000.00 EUR much too lumpy.
Within the framework of KYC, proof of salary and asset details are already sent to the casinos anyway. For proper player protection, everyone would have to do this.
Example:
Person X has 1000.00 EUR freely available in the month. This person may continue to gamble 1000.00 EUR, i.e. his entire budget?
Person Y has 20,000 EUR at his disposal in the month. This person may also gamble only 1000.00 EUR.
Person X and person Y with completely different financial circumstances are thus put on the same level, so to speak.
If exactly this person X has a gambling problem, we have no player protection here.
Online only
The further problem with this new State Gambling Treaty is also that it only applies online.
If a user has now spent his 1000.00 EUR, he just goes to the Spielo around the corner and continues to spend
A correct player protection would concern also the stationary gaming houses, Casinos and also the national Lotto society.
Thus it is evenly also again nix half and nix whole.
Money Management
I gamble online only sports betting, set myself a monthly loss limit of 30.00 - 100.00 EUR, depending on the month, but a maximum of 500 EUR per year.
I set myself the limit - regardless of wins in the previous month - every month. This also ensures that I "keep" my wins. The bottom line is that I am in the black when it comes to betting.
Intelligent money management is the be-all and end-all of gambling anyway
This is also another point of criticism -> information about money management can only be found if you specifically look for it.
If you are really interested in player protection, you should address the topic in a prioritized way and present it professionally. That would help some players.
Max. Bet should have been set to 5 €. Leave the Turbo Spin in and then I would be satisfied.
1000 € loss, no free spins and no automatic would have been enough. But the casinos wanted equal rights, there is hopefully made by the online cssinos also at the expense of the casino lobbying. Max. 1 € and no turbo in the casino, then you can see how the go bust.
A minimum RTP was also not specified this time. So do not worry we may then play as the only EU country slots with 70-80% for player protection.
Kleinkariert wrote on 06.06.2020 at 15:56: Max. Bet should have been set to 5 €. Leave the turbo spin in and then I would be happy.
1000 € loss, no free spins and no automatic would have been enough. But the casinos wanted equal rights, there is hopefully made by the online cssinos also to the detriment of the casino lobbying. Max. 1 € and no turbo in the casino, then you can see how the go bust.
A minimum RTP was also not specified this time. So do not worry we may then play as the only EU country slots with 70-80% for player protection.
I have also asked myself the question of whether we residing in Germany will then be offered a significantly lower RTP as soon as the new gambling treaty comes into force. That would be the absolute nightmare, solte the same occur.
Some people can be really happy with this regulation. There are people who are psychologically and physically at the end of their rope because of their gambling addiction. We must not forget them. For the players with self-control, I am sorry again. I hope Austria is not planning something similar.
How is this to be implemented with the 1000€ per player per month?
Is there then a corner where all deposits per month of the players are collected, ie I Deposit at A 250, B 250 and at C 500 and that is remembered? If I then want to deposit the next day at D 250 makes it Mööp and it does not go? d Is that possible in terms of data protection?
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The central blocking file for self-blocking and third-party blocking will be established. In addition, the loss limit of 1,000 euros per month is also planned. There will be a central file where deposits to the various online gambling providers will be registered. A player will only be able to lose 1,000 euros a month in gambling. Wins will be offset against the stakes, so this will be a loss limit.
The player can gamble a maximum of 1,000 euros from his own income in the online casinos. In addition, the betting limit in the Internet casinos is 1€ per spin.
If I now gamble books and suddenly the box runs really well, it can happen that I'm thrown out in the middle of it because I have 1000€ wagered / lost, do I understand this correctly or am I on'm hose?
supermode wrote on 07.06.2020 at 11:55: How is that supposed to be implemented with the 1000€ per player per month?
Is there then a corner where all deposits per month of the players are collected, ie I Deposit at A 250, B 250 and at C 500 and that is remembered? If I then want to deposit the next day at D 250 makes it Mööp and it does not go? d Is that possible in terms of data protection?
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If I now play books and suddenly the box runs really well, it can happen that I am thrown out in the middle of it because I have converted / lost 1000€, do I understand this correctly or am I on'm hose?
I hope that they mean a net loss limit. You won't be kicked out. It counts then not the turnover but the actual loss
Say: You pay in 100 euros. Win 2000. then you have if you 1900 again have gambled away 0 euros net loss. I can also only advise voluntarily set up such a limit
Therefore, it also makes no sense to set a deposit limit. After all, you can deposit and withdraw several times without making a loss
supermode wrote on 07.06.2020 at 11:55 am: If I now books zocke and suddenly runs the box really good, it can happen that I'm thrown out in the middle because I have 1000€ converted / lost, do I understand correctly or am I on'm hose?
it counts then probably only the deposits and withdrawals, what you convert in the oc will not be recorded.
example --> if you have paid in a total of 1000.- and nothing is paid out, this is the end for the rest of the month.
however, if you pay out 200 within the month, you can pay these 200 also somewhere else, up to the Deposit limit of 1000.- just.
understandable?
if you now win with the 200.- e.g. 4000.- and play with it in the oc up and down and up it juck nobody. if you pay out the 4k you could theoretically pay these 4000.- also somewhere else again. because there is a loss of 1000.- per month provided in the form of a deposit limit 1000.-, how you distribute your win and whether you keep it is up to you.
understandable?
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Or very, very annoying. Scatter teaser games like BOD or all Gamomats are unplayable for me without Fastspin. Every few spins there's a tantalizingly slow "2 books-huhu-thrilling" sequence. If I have to "enjoy" that in full length and splendor in the future, it will f**k me up pretty quickly
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The stated changes in the new gambling treaty are in my opinion not quite thought through to the end and in the current version only worth half.
The Player protection is in the new version apparently again only incidental
It's probably just about the additional revenue for the state, which is currently not available in the online casino.
Bet restrictions, autostart, quick play
The restrictions (no autostart, no fast play, max. 1.00 EUR) I find from super.
If you spin slower, if you have to confirm each spin with a click, you might think twice about whether you really want to keep playing.
This simply means that you lose your money more slowly and can thus play yourself "less" into a frenzy.
In the Spielo you have a limit of 80.00 EUR per hour, right?
In the game BoD online you can play 100 spins (without free spins) in 3 minutes, if you have the autostart and the fast play.
In the hour you can theoretically lose 10,000 EUR at BoD.
With the new setting (no autostart, no fast play, max. 1.00 EUR) 100 spins take about 6 minutes, so you can only lose 1/10 as much per hour (1000.00 EUR) -> 1/10 -> more conscious gambling.
Limit
Personally, I find the communicated limit of 1000.00 EUR much too lumpy.
Within the framework of KYC, proof of salary and asset details are already sent to the casinos anyway. For proper player protection, everyone would have to do this.
Example:
Person X has 1000.00 EUR freely available in the month. This person may continue to gamble 1000.00 EUR, i.e. his entire budget?
Person Y has 20,000 EUR at his disposal in the month. This person may also gamble only 1000.00 EUR.
Person X and person Y with completely different financial circumstances are thus put on the same level, so to speak.
If exactly this person X has a gambling problem, we have no player protection here.
Online only
The further problem with this new State Gambling Treaty is also that it only applies online.
If a user has now spent his 1000.00 EUR, he just goes to the Spielo around the corner and continues to spend
A correct player protection would concern also the stationary gaming houses, Casinos and also the national Lotto society.
Thus it is evenly also again nix half and nix whole.
Money Management
I gamble online only sports betting, set myself a monthly loss limit of 30.00 - 100.00 EUR, depending on the month, but a maximum of 500 EUR per year.
I set myself the limit - regardless of wins in the previous month - every month. This also ensures that I "keep" my wins. The bottom line is that I am in the black when it comes to betting.
Intelligent money management is the be-all and end-all of gambling anyway
This is also another point of criticism -> information about money management can only be found if you specifically look for it.
If you are really interested in player protection, you should address the topic in a prioritized way and present it professionally. That would help some players.
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1000 € loss, no free spins and no automatic would have been enough. But the casinos wanted equal rights, there is hopefully made by the online cssinos also at the expense of the casino lobbying. Max. 1 € and no turbo in the casino, then you can see how the go bust.
A minimum RTP was also not specified this time. So do not worry we may then play as the only EU country slots with 70-80% for player protection.
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I have also asked myself the question of whether we residing in Germany will then be offered a significantly lower RTP as soon as the new gambling treaty comes into force. That would be the absolute nightmare, solte the same occur.
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Is there then a corner where all deposits per month of the players are collected, ie I Deposit at A 250, B 250 and at C 500 and that is remembered? If I then want to deposit the next day at D 250 makes it Mööp and it does not go? d Is that possible in terms of data protection?
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If I now gamble books and suddenly the box runs really well, it can happen that I'm thrown out in the middle of it because I have 1000€ wagered / lost, do I understand this correctly or am I on'm hose?
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I hope that they mean a net loss limit. You won't be kicked out. It counts then not the turnover but the actual loss
Say: You pay in 100 euros. Win 2000. then you have if you 1900 again have gambled away 0 euros net loss. I can also only advise voluntarily set up such a limit
Therefore, it also makes no sense to set a deposit limit. After all, you can deposit and withdraw several times without making a loss
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it counts then probably only the deposits and withdrawals, what you convert in the oc will not be recorded.
example --> if you have paid in a total of 1000.- and nothing is paid out, this is the end for the rest of the month.
however, if you pay out 200 within the month, you can pay these 200 also somewhere else, up to the Deposit limit of 1000.- just.
understandable?
if you now win with the 200.- e.g. 4000.- and play with it in the oc up and down and up it juck nobody. if you pay out the 4k you could theoretically pay these 4000.- also somewhere else again. because there is a loss of 1000.- per month provided in the form of a deposit limit 1000.-, how you distribute your win and whether you keep it is up to you.
understandable?
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