Stealth wrote on 06/01/2019 at 18:48
Yes had written that you should take responsibility for your actions.
But there are always bad horror stories which have gambled away the complete Existent and the children have no food. There man has nothing more to lose. In such cases, a chargeback + therapy could be considered.
That's right and I think completely right, but do you think these people use the money and listen to ... no they take it and gamble it a 2nd time ....
Sunnyundflo wrote on 01/06/2019 at 18:53
That's right and I think it's totally true, but do you think these people use the money and stop ... no they take it and gamble it away a 2nd time ....
I'm afraid you are mostly right. But there are also people who have beaten the Gambling addiction and maybe use the second chance
In principle, I am also against chargebacks. Just wanted to note that it can be useful in individual extreme cases.
Sunnyundflo wrote on 01/06/2019 at 18:53
That's right and I think it's totally true, but do you think these people use the money and stop ... no they take it and gamble it away a 2nd time ....
It don't all gamble it all away again. What is the point of standing by your "shit" if it threatens your existence? Nothing, that is just as stupid as the people who want to preserve their pride and never get help. If someone could really bear from it long-term damage is a back posting from rational point of view the best thing a person can do, from mistakes one should learn indeed. But you can not seriously suggest someone the private bankruptcy, the restriction of the whole life and at the same time the knowledge how stupid you were preferable to a chargeback.
It is always argued on moral level, but not everyone can afford to act morally. The whole world is not acting moral, even PayPal is not one of the white West - they are known to freeze money of some users for months without any reason. How many self-employed people have been destroyed by Paypal? Countless, because the money that was needed to work was blocked by Paypal for several months for "verification". The newly founded companies often had no more liquid funds and eventually had to close.
Since you make many examples, I will now also make one: You are asked if you want to die, if no then another person (randomly chosen) will die instead of you - how do you decide? There are moments where you can't get far with morality, and you can take responsibility for your actions, but you don't need to expect that anything is settled. Life is just waiting for the moment to hit you from left, right, front, down, ...
: I don't like the chargeback either, but it's not a bad decision for larger amounts. And you don't get a Schufa entry, because the payment had no legal basis. However, you really shouldn't gamble after that. I also see it from the family point of view, if the father has messed up, the child will also suffer from his insolvency - then it's better to charge back and never do that again.
In short : I don't like the chargeback either, but it is in any case not a bad decision for larger amounts. And you don't get a Schufa entry, because the payment had no legal basis. However, you really shouldn't gamble after that. I also see it from the family point of view, if the father has messed up, the child will also suffer from his insolvency - then it's better to charge back and never do that again.
Ankor wrote on 01/07/2019 04:10 PM
It doesn't do everyone to gamble it all away again. What's the point of standing by your "shit" if it threatens your existence? Nothing at all, that's just as stupid as the people who want to preserve their pride at all costs and never get help. If someone could really bear from it long-term damage is a back posting from rational point of view the best thing a person can do, from mistakes one should learn indeed. But you can not seriously suggest someone the private bankruptcy, the restriction of the whole life and at the same time the knowledge how stupid you were preferable to a chargeback.
It is always argued on moral level, but not everyone can afford to act morally. The whole world is not acting moral, even PayPal is not one of the white West - they are known to freeze money of some users for months without any reason. How many self-employed people have been destroyed by Paypal? Countless, because the money that was needed to work was blocked by Paypal for several months for "verification". The newly founded companies often had no more liquid funds and eventually had to close.
Since you make many examples, I will now also make one: You are asked if you want to die, if no then another person (randomly chosen) will die instead of you - how do you decide? There are moments where you can't get far with morality, and you can take responsibility for your actions, but you don't need to expect that anything is settled. Life is just waiting for the moment to hit you from left, right, front, down, ...
: I don't like the chargeback either, but it's not a bad decision for larger amounts. And you don't get a Schufa entry, because the payment had no legal basis. However, you really shouldn't gamble after that. I also see this from a family point of view, if the father has screwed up, the child will also suffer from his insolvency - then it's better to charge back and never do this again
What a comparison .... live or die ...... Boy it's about gambling not about life ...
And if 1000 € means live or die for you you should ask yourself anyway what's wrong in life ...
Because if I have no money at all and then still want to gamble is that what?
Smart? I think not ...
And with your Schufa entry you may be right for now ....
But !!!!!
my sister works at a bank ... And every chargeback lowers your Scorring value and if there are more chargebacks for things from abroad or the bank goes after the matter ...
They lower your Scorring value....
And in addition you get a note as a player and the Wars !!!!!
NEVER again will you get financing from the b'Bank ....
But that is up to each ...
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Sunnyandflo wrote on Jan 07, 2019 at 11:10 am
What a comparison .... live or die ...... Boy it's about gambling not about life ...
And if 1000 € for one means live or die you should ask yourself anyway what goes wrong in life ...
Because if I have no money at all and then still want to gamble is that what?
Smart? I think not ...
And with your Schufa entry you may be right for now ....
But !!!!!
my sister works at a bank ... And every chargeback lowers your Scorring value and if there are more chargebacks for things from abroad or the bank goes after the matter ...
They lower your Scorring value....
And in addition you get a note as a player and the Wars !!!!!
NEVER again will you get financing from the b'Bank ....
But that is up to you ...
I have no sum mentioned, I wanted not on the case here out but quite generally. There are those who have their accounts with overdraft and loans so low that it is difficult to repay.
And my comparison you relativize with "it's about gambling"? But even you make an example from the working world
About the scoring value: If you do this at the bank, I agree with you, the scoring value does not recover as quickly. But there are also online offers where you have to be "clean" for a few months. Whereby I do not know how often a loan is necessary in life.
I understand that you see it morally wrong, and yes you are even right. But I'm just saying that it is the easier way and everyone is free to choose this.
Ankor wrote on 01/07/2019 at 11:32 am
I didn't mention any amount, I didn't want to get out on the case here but in general. There are some who have their accounts with overdraft and loans so low down that it is difficult to repay.
And my comparison you relativize with "it's about gambling"? But even you make an example from the working world
About the scoring value: If you do this at the bank, I agree with you, the scoring value does not recover as quickly. But there are also online offers where you have to be "clean" for a few months. Where I do not know how often a loan is necessary in life.
I understand that you see it morally wrong, and yes you are even right. But I'm just saying that it is the easier way and everyone is free to choose this.
I did not want to attack you with it, I just think it sucks that here in the forum people a way is shown the flasch st.
If some people decide that for themselves then they should do it ...
But here it is described as if it has no consequences and it is as if you put ne grape in the mouth at the aldi ...
I do not want to know how many people read this here still with and say boah cool I try it. 1000 Deposit and if it goes wrong again get back nothing can happen ...
But they do not know what happens after what they do not notice!
Imagine here read 20 year old people with the think Hey cool without Risk make money
and then boing 2 years later ... they want to build a house go to the bank and then say ... ohh sorry ... they have a problem there
Gambling debts are debts of honor? What nonsense. That's a saying from days long gone
Why not get your money back when there is a legal way to do so? The casinos don't play fair any more than they do.
And about the late effects: there are said to be people who live extremely well without a PayPal account
The banks don't block your credit rating or put penalty points on you because they get a chargeback on the table. They also don't lose money because of it
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Gebirgi wrote on 01/07/2019 11:56 am: Gambling debts are honor debts? What a crock of shit. That's a saying from days long gone
Why not get the money back if there is a legal way to do so? The casinos don't play fair any more than they do.
And about the late effects: there are said to be people who live extremely well without a PayPal account
The banks don't block your credit rating or put penalty points on you because they get a chargeback on the table. They also don't lose money because of it.
That's not entirely true, Paypal and also some banks sometimes have a very hard time recovering the money. The therefore remain sitting on the costs, not every casinos blocks one after the chargeback because they have received the money and do not return. An acquaintance has made a payout at sunmaker after he has booked back months ago, no one fell on there.
So you do not hurt the casinos in every case, but rather the bank where you back or even Paypal. Therefore, I find as Sunnyundflo writes that some here actually have the thought of Risk-free gaming as extremely reprehensible, with such a thing you do not get far in life.
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now on facebook i always see the ad from wirholendeingeldzurueck. they are supposed to get back all losses in Online Casinos of the last 3 years for 35% plus vat
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That's right and I think completely right, but do you think these people use the money and listen to ... no they take it and gamble it a 2nd time ....
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I'm afraid you are mostly right. But there are also people who have beaten the Gambling addiction and maybe use the second chance
In principle, I am also against chargebacks. Just wanted to note that it can be useful in individual extreme cases.
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It don't all gamble it all away again. What is the point of standing by your "shit" if it threatens your existence? Nothing, that is just as stupid as the people who want to preserve their pride and never get help. If someone could really bear from it long-term damage is a back posting from rational point of view the best thing a person can do, from mistakes one should learn indeed. But you can not seriously suggest someone the private bankruptcy, the restriction of the whole life and at the same time the knowledge how stupid you were preferable to a chargeback.
It is always argued on moral level, but not everyone can afford to act morally. The whole world is not acting moral, even PayPal is not one of the white West - they are known to freeze money of some users for months without any reason. How many self-employed people have been destroyed by Paypal? Countless, because the money that was needed to work was blocked by Paypal for several months for "verification". The newly founded companies often had no more liquid funds and eventually had to close.
Since you make many examples, I will now also make one: You are asked if you want to die, if no then another person (randomly chosen) will die instead of you - how do you decide? There are moments where you can't get far with morality, and you can take responsibility for your actions, but you don't need to expect that anything is settled. Life is just waiting for the moment to hit you from left, right, front, down, ...
: I don't like the chargeback either, but it's not a bad decision for larger amounts. And you don't get a Schufa entry, because the payment had no legal basis. However, you really shouldn't gamble after that. I also see it from the family point of view, if the father has messed up, the child will also suffer from his insolvency - then it's better to charge back and never do that again.
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What a comparison .... live or die ...... Boy it's about gambling not about life ...
And if 1000 € means live or die for you you should ask yourself anyway what's wrong in life ...
Because if I have no money at all and then still want to gamble is that what?
Smart? I think not ...
And with your Schufa entry you may be right for now ....
But !!!!!
my sister works at a bank ... And every chargeback lowers your Scorring value and if there are more chargebacks for things from abroad or the bank goes after the matter ...
They lower your Scorring value....
And in addition you get a note as a player and the Wars !!!!!
NEVER again will you get financing from the b'Bank ....
But that is up to each ...
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I have no sum mentioned, I wanted not on the case here out but quite generally. There are those who have their accounts with overdraft and loans so low that it is difficult to repay.
And my comparison you relativize with "it's about gambling"? But even you make an example from the working world
About the scoring value: If you do this at the bank, I agree with you, the scoring value does not recover as quickly. But there are also online offers where you have to be "clean" for a few months. Whereby I do not know how often a loan is necessary in life.
I understand that you see it morally wrong, and yes you are even right. But I'm just saying that it is the easier way and everyone is free to choose this.
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I did not want to attack you with it, I just think it sucks that here in the forum people a way is shown the flasch st.
If some people decide that for themselves then they should do it ...
But here it is described as if it has no consequences and it is as if you put ne grape in the mouth at the aldi ...
I do not want to know how many people read this here still with and say boah cool I try it. 1000 Deposit and if it goes wrong again get back nothing can happen ...
But they do not know what happens after what they do not notice!
Imagine here read 20 year old people with the think Hey cool without Risk make money
and then boing 2 years later ... they want to build a house go to the bank and then say ... ohh sorry ... they have a problem there
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Why not get your money back when there is a legal way to do so? The casinos don't play fair any more than they do.
And about the late effects: there are said to be people who live extremely well without a PayPal account
The banks don't block your credit rating or put penalty points on you because they get a chargeback on the table. They also don't lose money because of it
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That's not entirely true, Paypal and also some banks sometimes have a very hard time recovering the money. The therefore remain sitting on the costs, not every casinos blocks one after the chargeback because they have received the money and do not return. An acquaintance has made a payout at sunmaker after he has booked back months ago, no one fell on there.
So you do not hurt the casinos in every case, but rather the bank where you back or even Paypal. Therefore, I find as Sunnyundflo writes that some here actually have the thought of Risk-free gaming as extremely reprehensible, with such a thing you do not get far in life.
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