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13th Feb. 2020, at 05:27 pm CET#51
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You don't have to pay the casino a single cent at all. Since playing in Online Casinos is generally illegal in DE. Casinos are the other way around, you would have won a lot, or your win of over 40k really tried to pay out, then you would have 99.9999 percent probability your money so or so not get and would have the win also nowhere to sue.
Likewise, no casino now to reclaim money from you and also at no court in DE to sue you, because they would not have let you play there at all.
If you had money now, for a good lawyer, but that would cause about 10 times the cost, you could with luck your deposited 1,000 euros from the casino even claim back.
Furthermore, your bank has also made itself punishable, because they have accepted the transactions to the casino, which is also not legal. In addition, your account was not even covered
The bank has no right to make any claims against you. The only thing that will happen is that your account will be terminated for sure, and all credit cards will be blocked. You won't be able to open an account with a reputable bank anymore, because you will be entered into the SCHUFA in any case. And to what extent criminal consequences will now come, because of illegal gambling, money laundering, etc. I can not say
In the worst case, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or if an expert confirms that you are severely addicted to gambling and were really guilty at the time of the crime, then you would be completely acquitted by the court, but then follows a placement in the closed psychiatric ward (Maßregelvollzug). This is a kind of compulsory therapy, for an indefinite period of time, until the doctors or an external expert certifies that you are cured again and no further crimes are to be feared in the future. But that is a long way, there are many who sit there for 10 or 20 years and longer and hardly have a chance of release. I don't want to scare you now, but that's the way it is in Germany. With something like that, the punishments can be really harder than if someone has committed a murder or something. A human life is worth nothing in Germany, but when it comes to money, and even such sums, the authorities know no gnafe.
There are now also more and more reputable payment service providers and banks generally withdraw from this illegal business, such as PayPal, which are now believe for over 2 years completely out, just because there were too many players who played with money, which they did not have. And PayPal then of course had no chance to ever get the money again, because money from illegal gambling can never be successfully claimed in any court.
Hope it helps you a little bit. Unfortunately, I can't really say much more about it.
It is better to seek help for your Gambling addiction as soon as possible, even before it comes to court, so you could possibly prevent the 63 or 64 StGB. Because you can't get out of the forensics so fast, and there people are still tortured and poisoned with chemical drugs. The best thing is to look for a good lawyer as soon as possible, if you have no money, then first get a consultation certificate for a lawyer, if it comes to the trial, you are also entitled to PKH or legal aid, a public defender, etc.
Well, nevertheless I wish you a lot of strength and success, that you will somehow get out of the matter.
LG Andy_1980
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13th Feb. 2020, at 05:48 pm CET#52
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 02/13/2020 at 1:44 pm
Misinformed!
Players* with permanent residence in SH are allowed to play in Online Casinos with German license .
The TV is also not illegal but is aimed exclusively at players from SH.
Misinformed, the licenses from SH have long expired already for about a little over a year. Of course this penetrating TV advertising is illegal. Is yet the same, they would constantly bring advertising for heroin and cocaine, how good the stuff is, etc. Wouldn't the state intervene then? Well, the advertising brings in billions in revenue for the casinos every day, so maybe the state is earning a lot of money ...... you just don't understand it, but it doesn't matter.
Andy have they put you also somewhere under drugs, or why do you babble in each of your contributions so confused stuff?
You had in essence in some things right, but then you throw around with some absurd numbers etc, so that one does not know exactly whether this can be meant seriously...
Stromberg wrote on 13.02.2020 at 17:48 clock: Andy they have put you somewhere under drugs, or why do you babble in each of your posts so confused stuff?
You had yes in essence in some right, but then you throw with some absurd numbers etc around, so that one does not know exactly whether this can be meant seriously...
Can no longer change my post, the first sentence I would want to take back in the form, would not like to offend anyone😉
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13th Feb. 2020, at 06:17 pm CET#55
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@Stromberg, oh nonsense is already good, have not taken it as an insult. Unfortunately, that's true, I've been through enough with psychiatry, etc..
I just tried to explain him (abc123) to him as well as possible. And that is no nonsense. Know enough people who because of Kleimigkeiten and it was not even about gambling, illegal gambling or so .
... but they have 10 or 20 years eimgesessen in psychiatry. And with such Beteägen about which it goes here, there one becomes yes completely dizzy if it is so true which happened there. And it is quite possible that if the authorities get the reported and it comes to the trial, that he is indeed acquitted because of the Gambling addiction, because it is a recognized disease.
However, it has also caused great financial damage and third parties have been harmed. So it is quite possible that he gets the 63 or 64 and ends up in forensics. That is why I wrote that it is better to seek help beforehand, contact a lawyer and show that you are ill and ready for therapy. Because if it happens compulsorily, from the Forensik many do not come out alive again, and if heavily damaged. This is not a fantasy, but reality in Germany.
Andy_1980 wrote on 02/13/2020 at 12:54 pm: @Kleinkariert
It's utter nonsense that it could somehow be regulated by the state. The casinos all operate from abroad, there are completely different laws than here. A regulation/control is yes offline in Spielorheken already difficult to enforce, but still possible.
And a Deposit limit of 1,000 euros? How should something like that be controlled at all? It's definitely not possible, as there are hundreds or even thousands of casinos now.
Besides, even if it would work from a purely technical point of view, 1,000 euros is still way too high.
With such sums, players can continue to gamble away their entire fortune within a few minutes, unless you are a billionaire.
If then they would have to limit the Eonzahlungsmöglichleit in casinos to 50 euros / month maximum. Then banks, credit card providers, etc. should generally no longer allow transactions of more than 50 euros per month to casinos and the payment would be automatically rejected.
This is almost impossible to implement, because the casinos themselves would not support it if they previously had players who gambled away several 100k every month and were now only allowed to play 1,000.
But for the protection of the players, such a measure would be completely pointless anyway. 1.000 euros, that's a huge fortune for 99.9 percent of the players, and many save for a lifetime.
No, something like that will NEVER be legal here, nor could it be regulated by the state, because the casinos are located abroad, and do not pay a single cent in taxes to the German state on their billion-dollar wins.
It would have to be completely banned these sites, or should not be possible for German players to access it.
Then maybe open 1 or 2 legal OC's with license in DE, which are state run and also controlled. Set the betting limit per month to max. 50 euros, the maximum payout to 500 euros, so similar to how it is already prescribed in arcades at machines.
These measures in the Spielos are already showing success. Most players go there hardly or not at all more, on due to the stricter regulations. However, these should also apply to online gambling, and should be just as strictly controlled as in real arcades.
Everything else makes little sense. And also do not believe that it should really be legal from next year here.
There will be no licenses, even for Schleswig-Holstein the licenses are now expired, and continue anyway. No one is interested, even the illegal advertising on TV continues.
At some point, however, everyone is caught who gambles illegally, and that gives harsh penalties then. The operators of the casinos sit abroad, mostly Malta or Coracau, etc. and can therefore never be prosecuted.
This is not meant badly but you tell here really a shit together
50 € per month max deposit? so everyone would be fully incapacitated because with certainty the majority for their hobby is ready to spend more than 50 € a month
Next we allow the model train builders only 30 € to spend on trains and their hobby is thus simply taken away
What you simply omit in your explanation is that people who should gamble or people to whom gambling is directed to 10000% should not live at subsistence level, these people should also not gamble their money they just so have
and for the people for whom gambling is intended can usually tolerate even times 300-600 € a month to lose each just as he likes I find even 1,000 € per month for all from DE too unfair because everyone should determine how much he wants to spend on his hobby
You speak here for all and think that everyone is broke if he loses 50 € a month ? Unfortunately this is not so
The state should take care of the people who get Hartz4 or welfare / basic security, etc. have no opportunity to play and not further disenfranchise predominantly mature citizens
Alcohol we also not for everyone on 3 bottles of beer per month reduced because there are some alcoholics and that must simply times in the heads of the people purely
And in gambling halls I sometimes leave 1,000 € per evening so tell me where is that better? And that counts purely theoretically not even as gambling and with casinos with the oh so great state control I can lose my whole house in a few hours!
But hey main thing the evil Online Casinos are limited to 50 € per month for DE because it is then all so much better and father state has then all in their own casinos but that will certainly be better for everyone
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13th Feb. 2020, at 07:26 pm CET#57
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@gamble1
You don't seem to realize it, but what you write is complete nonsense.
It was also only an example, with 50 euros Eonzahlung per month, with it nobody could play itself more into the ruin. In other countries this works also in such a way completely well, like e.g. in Sweden, there also nobody can gamble more than 50 or 60 euro in the month more. And if there would be a payout limit of 500 euros/month, no player would get the idea to gamble away several 100,000 euros per month, because you can pay out a maximum of 500. And let's be honest, even people who gamble away several thousand euros every month, online also do not come to more than maybe very rarely times 200 or 300 euros profit, which they can actually bring to the payout, even that is not even paid out by many OC's, because then somewhere small in the AGB's is that wins are limited to 100 euros, more can not be paid out anyway, only the deposits are just always unlimited and even completely without Verification possible.
It is even difficult to win 10 or 20 euros, is also rare today. And most gamble away these wins, and who does not pay out a 10 or 20 euro win immediately, is already addicted and will NEVER win anything. It's as simple as that.
Even in every Spielo one wins today to days far more, than online. And they also have stricter regulation than years ago, it is no longer possible that players gamble away 10,000 euros or more in one evening. The cash-in and cash-out is strictly limited, there are staff, they have to pay attention to it, if someone is addicted, they have to refer him to addiction help, there is a house ban, etc. All this does not work online at all. All this is not possible online at all.
If YOU are a millionaire and have money to gamble thousands every night, it's your problem. But you don't have to try to make others more addicted to online gambling, which is illegal anyway, than they already are.
I myself used to go to gambling halls, got away from it, often won 500 euros and more. But online no one comes to such sums, I play this for over 3 years, the Höchsthewinn were once 200 euros or so.
And even with 200 there are sometimes problems to get the really paid out.
You don't seem to realize it, but is complete nonsense what you write.
It was also just an example, with 50 euros eon payment per month, so no one could play themselves into ruin. In other countries it works quite well, for example in Sweden, where no one can gamble away more than 50 or 60 euros a month. And if there would be a payout limit of 500 euros/month, no player would get the idea to gamble away several 100,000 euros per month, because you can pay out a maximum of 500. And let's be honest, even people who gamble away several thousand euros every month, they do not come online to more than maybe very rarely times 200 or 300 euros profit, which they can actually bring to the payout, even that is not even paid out by many OC's, because then somewhere small in the terms and conditions is that wins are limited to 100 euros, more can not be paid out anyway, only the deposits are just always unlimited and even possible without verification.
It is even difficult to win 10 or 20 euros, is also rare today. And most gamble away these wins, and who does not pay out a 10 or 20 euro win immediately, is already addicted and will NEVER win anything. It's as simple as that.
Even in every Spielo one wins today to days far more, than online. And they also have stricter regulation than years ago, it is no longer possible that players gamble away 10,000 euros or more in one evening. The cash-in and cash-out is strictly limited, there are staff who have to watch out for it, if someone is an addict, they have to refer him to addiction help, there is a ban on entering the house, and so on. All this is not possible online at all.
If YOU are a millionaire and have money to gamble thousands every night, it's your problem. But you don't have to try to make others more addicted to online gambling, which is illegal anyway, than they already are.
I myself was often in gambling halls, got away from it, have often won 500 euros and more. But online no one comes to such sums, I play this for over 3 years, the Höchsthewinn were once 200 euros or so.
And even at 200, there are sometimes problems to really get paid.
I ask you to look in my winning picture uploads there you will find various pictures of online and offline in which you can see that winning is quite possible
I do not advertise it or something like that but that in the arcade more protection exists is simply wrong
Only recently came out by an attempt that of several arcades only a few actually problematic players have addressed in a conversation with a friendly hall owner was also conveyed to me that one cuts with it only in the own flesh and the player just to the competition or in a bar zockt and just no longer there
I lose despite the great Player protection and 60 € the hour still sometimes 1k-1.2k per evening without much effort I just have to play on 3 without code and 1 machine with code and even if the code machine makes a break I just take a new with code well how great that there is Tr5 but what?
It would bring something if per person 1 code per day would be distributed but that will never happen because there is too much money behind it and the state does not want to create any protection but only wants to collect strongly and as you shoot here against online I think slowly you are also one of these good people who have no idea of the matter but talk everything badly
I play at Videoslots, sunmaker, Vera&John, Wildz, Mr. Green and nowhere were there ever problems everywhere I have several times paid out several € 1,000 once even 20k without a mucken the casinos The odds are online higher that's a fact and if you stick to the Agb's (Yes it is sometimes useful to read them) usually everything works out too
Of course, you also lose online in the long run his money but that is in the nature of things and not at the casinos
and max cashout is offered only in combination with bonus
and if you Deposit 1 € as you say you can not take that as a measure of things if you do not come to 10 or 20 € win
I usually deposit 100 € sometimes I win sometimes I lose but I have also already made 800 € from free spins 30 pieces a 10 cents because I could convert the bonus
I therefore do not work for casinos and do not advertise I was just lucky
I think even here in this forum you are out of place because you are permanently unteachable and everything that has to do with online bad talk without giving valid reasons and always just write the same no matter what you as a counter argument is delivered to you
i am also now again curious how you want to refute my wins and statements
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@gamble1
what's this all about? Are you still proud of the fact that you can gamble away thousands of Euros in just one evening? And also the wins are out of proportion. If you have really gambled away 3,000 euros in the evening, and then you are happy about 100 euros win or how.
It doesn't matter how much you gamble, because addiction is addiction and you can only lose. I don't know where you get so much money that you can gamble away 3k and more in one evening. By legal work certainly not, because then the money would be much too bad for you.
There are people here who have nothing, hardly any money to buy food, etc. If you always write about your supposedly so great wins, that triggers but only to pay again where and to try again, but it will never work. I will not and will not look at these winning pictures / videos here, because it would only tempt me to get for my last 10 this month still ne psc and Deposit somewhere.
Especially when people have hardly any money, then the temptation and addiction is especially big, even if it's only 10 euros. This may be nothing for you, you have enough even if you gamble away 30,000 every month, you just do not notice it. NOT YET! But someday it will be over, and you will have NO CENT left and lose everything. You can still show off with your money and make others who have nothing and actually want to get away still addicted.
I don't like that, honestly.
And what do you do if the authorities eventually find out about it and you have heaps of charges because of illegal gambling, money laundering, black money transactions and tax fraud etc.? With such sums, you can go to jail for years or even end up in forensics (psychiatry) for an indefinite period of time in the worst case.
What I don't understand, why do you play at all, if you already have so much money, "earn", or wherever you have it from, it doesn't matter. But then I would gamble nothing in your place, but lead a nice life, go on vacation, etc. but not gamble everything.
Well, everyone must know for themselves.
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@gamble1
"50 € per month max Deposit ? so everyone would be fully incapacitated because with certainty the majority for their hobby is ready to spend more than 50 € per month"
You call it thus hobby, so so ....
With it you are unfortunately wrong. You might as well tear up the bills and flush them down the toilet .... if that's a hobby.
After all, you have to have 50 euros first, for which you normally have to work very very long and hard to earn.
But gambling is definitely not a hobby, it is a bad addiction/disease.
From a hobby you would have something from your money, on which you have saved for a long time and then can be really proud of it. But to destroy money and then this height, what you write so, I have to doubt very much. Probably, however, it is already too late with you, you have already completely lost the reality and reference to the money. And if that should be true with the wins of over 20k, then anyway. You have gambled away at least 200k to be able to pay out 20k, so you have made at least 180,000 minus, but you don't even realize it yourself.
If you would go to work instead of gambling away 3k every day in the Spielo and online even far more ...... but so the whole discussion makes no sense at all. To earn 3,000 you have to work very hard and hard with legal work at least about 1 whole year 12h every day. And no one who goes to work gambles away 3k every evening just like that.
No matter how much money you still have, keep doing it, you have to bet 10,000 every evening, and at Blackjack like Roulette per spin at least 30,000 the round, there you can win much much more than with only 3k in the evening. Or, which is relatively more likely, you will be completely broke in 1 to 2 months at the latest, homeless on the street without a single cent.
Believe me, I know a lot of people who had inherited millions, from wherever, and started to gamble with it, the money was completely gone within a few months. If you want to end up like that, then continue, if not then I would urgently seek help and do therapy. The sums you are gambling with almost daily, I somehow still can't believe it, sorry.
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You don't have to pay the casino a single cent at all. Since playing in Online Casinos is generally illegal in DE. Casinos are the other way around, you would have won a lot, or your win of over 40k really tried to pay out, then you would have 99.9999 percent probability your money so or so not get and would have the win also nowhere to sue.
Likewise, no casino now to reclaim money from you and also at no court in DE to sue you, because they would not have let you play there at all.
If you had money now, for a good lawyer, but that would cause about 10 times the cost, you could with luck your deposited 1,000 euros from the casino even claim back.
Furthermore, your bank has also made itself punishable, because they have accepted the transactions to the casino, which is also not legal. In addition, your account was not even covered
The bank has no right to make any claims against you. The only thing that will happen is that your account will be terminated for sure, and all credit cards will be blocked. You won't be able to open an account with a reputable bank anymore, because you will be entered into the SCHUFA in any case. And to what extent criminal consequences will now come, because of illegal gambling, money laundering, etc. I can not say
In the worst case, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or if an expert confirms that you are severely addicted to gambling and were really guilty at the time of the crime, then you would be completely acquitted by the court, but then follows a placement in the closed psychiatric ward (Maßregelvollzug). This is a kind of compulsory therapy, for an indefinite period of time, until the doctors or an external expert certifies that you are cured again and no further crimes are to be feared in the future. But that is a long way, there are many who sit there for 10 or 20 years and longer and hardly have a chance of release. I don't want to scare you now, but that's the way it is in Germany. With something like that, the punishments can be really harder than if someone has committed a murder or something. A human life is worth nothing in Germany, but when it comes to money, and even such sums, the authorities know no gnafe.
There are now also more and more reputable payment service providers and banks generally withdraw from this illegal business, such as PayPal, which are now believe for over 2 years completely out, just because there were too many players who played with money, which they did not have. And PayPal then of course had no chance to ever get the money again, because money from illegal gambling can never be successfully claimed in any court.
Hope it helps you a little bit. Unfortunately, I can't really say much more about it.
It is better to seek help for your Gambling addiction as soon as possible, even before it comes to court, so you could possibly prevent the 63 or 64 StGB. Because you can't get out of the forensics so fast, and there people are still tortured and poisoned with chemical drugs. The best thing is to look for a good lawyer as soon as possible, if you have no money, then first get a consultation certificate for a lawyer, if it comes to the trial, you are also entitled to PKH or legal aid, a public defender, etc.
Well, nevertheless I wish you a lot of strength and success, that you will somehow get out of the matter.
LG Andy_1980
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Misinformed, the licenses from SH have long expired already for about a little over a year. Of course this penetrating TV advertising is illegal. Is yet the same, they would constantly bring advertising for heroin and cocaine, how good the stuff is, etc. Wouldn't the state intervene then? Well, the advertising brings in billions in revenue for the casinos every day, so maybe the state is earning a lot of money ...... you just don't understand it, but it doesn't matter.
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You had in essence in some things right, but then you throw around with some absurd numbers etc, so that one does not know exactly whether this can be meant seriously...
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Can no longer change my post, the first sentence I would want to take back in the form, would not like to offend anyone😉
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I just tried to explain him (abc123) to him as well as possible. And that is no nonsense. Know enough people who because of Kleimigkeiten and it was not even about gambling, illegal gambling or so .
... but they have 10 or 20 years eimgesessen in psychiatry. And with such Beteägen about which it goes here, there one becomes yes completely dizzy if it is so true which happened there. And it is quite possible that if the authorities get the reported and it comes to the trial, that he is indeed acquitted because of the Gambling addiction, because it is a recognized disease.
However, it has also caused great financial damage and third parties have been harmed. So it is quite possible that he gets the 63 or 64 and ends up in forensics. That is why I wrote that it is better to seek help beforehand, contact a lawyer and show that you are ill and ready for therapy. Because if it happens compulsorily, from the Forensik many do not come out alive again, and if heavily damaged. This is not a fantasy, but reality in Germany.
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This is not meant badly but you tell here really a shit together
50 € per month max deposit? so everyone would be fully incapacitated because with certainty the majority for their hobby is ready to spend more than 50 € a month
Next we allow the model train builders only 30 € to spend on trains and their hobby is thus simply taken away
What you simply omit in your explanation is that people who should gamble or people to whom gambling is directed to 10000% should not live at subsistence level, these people should also not gamble their money they just so have
and for the people for whom gambling is intended can usually tolerate even times 300-600 € a month to lose each just as he likes I find even 1,000 € per month for all from DE too unfair because everyone should determine how much he wants to spend on his hobby
You speak here for all and think that everyone is broke if he loses 50 € a month ? Unfortunately this is not so
The state should take care of the people who get Hartz4 or welfare / basic security, etc. have no opportunity to play and not further disenfranchise predominantly mature citizens
Alcohol we also not for everyone on 3 bottles of beer per month reduced because there are some alcoholics and that must simply times in the heads of the people purely
And in gambling halls I sometimes leave 1,000 € per evening so tell me where is that better? And that counts purely theoretically not even as gambling and with casinos with the oh so great state control I can lose my whole house in a few hours!
But hey main thing the evil Online Casinos are limited to 50 € per month for DE because it is then all so much better and father state has then all in their own casinos but that will certainly be better for everyone
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You don't seem to realize it, but what you write is complete nonsense.
It was also only an example, with 50 euros Eonzahlung per month, with it nobody could play itself more into the ruin. In other countries this works also in such a way completely well, like e.g. in Sweden, there also nobody can gamble more than 50 or 60 euro in the month more. And if there would be a payout limit of 500 euros/month, no player would get the idea to gamble away several 100,000 euros per month, because you can pay out a maximum of 500. And let's be honest, even people who gamble away several thousand euros every month, online also do not come to more than maybe very rarely times 200 or 300 euros profit, which they can actually bring to the payout, even that is not even paid out by many OC's, because then somewhere small in the AGB's is that wins are limited to 100 euros, more can not be paid out anyway, only the deposits are just always unlimited and even completely without Verification possible.
It is even difficult to win 10 or 20 euros, is also rare today. And most gamble away these wins, and who does not pay out a 10 or 20 euro win immediately, is already addicted and will NEVER win anything. It's as simple as that.
Even in every Spielo one wins today to days far more, than online. And they also have stricter regulation than years ago, it is no longer possible that players gamble away 10,000 euros or more in one evening. The cash-in and cash-out is strictly limited, there are staff, they have to pay attention to it, if someone is addicted, they have to refer him to addiction help, there is a house ban, etc. All this does not work online at all. All this is not possible online at all.
If YOU are a millionaire and have money to gamble thousands every night, it's your problem. But you don't have to try to make others more addicted to online gambling, which is illegal anyway, than they already are.
I myself used to go to gambling halls, got away from it, often won 500 euros and more. But online no one comes to such sums, I play this for over 3 years, the Höchsthewinn were once 200 euros or so.
And even with 200 there are sometimes problems to get the really paid out.
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I ask you to look in my winning picture uploads there you will find various pictures of online and offline in which you can see that winning is quite possible
I do not advertise it or something like that but that in the arcade more protection exists is simply wrong
Only recently came out by an attempt that of several arcades only a few actually problematic players have addressed in a conversation with a friendly hall owner was also conveyed to me that one cuts with it only in the own flesh and the player just to the competition or in a bar zockt and just no longer there
I lose despite the great Player protection and 60 € the hour still sometimes 1k-1.2k per evening without much effort I just have to play on 3 without code and 1 machine with code and even if the code machine makes a break I just take a new with code well how great that there is Tr5 but what?
It would bring something if per person 1 code per day would be distributed but that will never happen because there is too much money behind it and the state does not want to create any protection but only wants to collect strongly and as you shoot here against online I think slowly you are also one of these good people who have no idea of the matter but talk everything badly
I play at Videoslots, sunmaker, Vera&John, Wildz, Mr. Green and nowhere were there ever problems everywhere I have several times paid out several € 1,000 once even 20k without a mucken the casinos The odds are online higher that's a fact and if you stick to the Agb's (Yes it is sometimes useful to read them) usually everything works out too
Of course, you also lose online in the long run his money but that is in the nature of things and not at the casinos
and max cashout is offered only in combination with bonus
and if you Deposit 1 € as you say you can not take that as a measure of things if you do not come to 10 or 20 € win
I usually deposit 100 € sometimes I win sometimes I lose but I have also already made 800 € from free spins 30 pieces a 10 cents because I could convert the bonus
I therefore do not work for casinos and do not advertise I was just lucky
I think even here in this forum you are out of place because you are permanently unteachable and everything that has to do with online bad talk without giving valid reasons and always just write the same no matter what you as a counter argument is delivered to you
i am also now again curious how you want to refute my wins and statements
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what's this all about? Are you still proud of the fact that you can gamble away thousands of Euros in just one evening? And also the wins are out of proportion. If you have really gambled away 3,000 euros in the evening, and then you are happy about 100 euros win or how.
It doesn't matter how much you gamble, because addiction is addiction and you can only lose. I don't know where you get so much money that you can gamble away 3k and more in one evening. By legal work certainly not, because then the money would be much too bad for you.
There are people here who have nothing, hardly any money to buy food, etc. If you always write about your supposedly so great wins, that triggers but only to pay again where and to try again, but it will never work. I will not and will not look at these winning pictures / videos here, because it would only tempt me to get for my last 10 this month still ne psc and Deposit somewhere.
Especially when people have hardly any money, then the temptation and addiction is especially big, even if it's only 10 euros. This may be nothing for you, you have enough even if you gamble away 30,000 every month, you just do not notice it. NOT YET! But someday it will be over, and you will have NO CENT left and lose everything. You can still show off with your money and make others who have nothing and actually want to get away still addicted.
I don't like that, honestly.
And what do you do if the authorities eventually find out about it and you have heaps of charges because of illegal gambling, money laundering, black money transactions and tax fraud etc.? With such sums, you can go to jail for years or even end up in forensics (psychiatry) for an indefinite period of time in the worst case.
What I don't understand, why do you play at all, if you already have so much money, "earn", or wherever you have it from, it doesn't matter. But then I would gamble nothing in your place, but lead a nice life, go on vacation, etc. but not gamble everything.
Well, everyone must know for themselves.
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"50 € per month max Deposit ? so everyone would be fully incapacitated because with certainty the majority for their hobby is ready to spend more than 50 € per month"
You call it thus hobby, so so ....
With it you are unfortunately wrong. You might as well tear up the bills and flush them down the toilet .... if that's a hobby.
After all, you have to have 50 euros first, for which you normally have to work very very long and hard to earn.
But gambling is definitely not a hobby, it is a bad addiction/disease.
From a hobby you would have something from your money, on which you have saved for a long time and then can be really proud of it. But to destroy money and then this height, what you write so, I have to doubt very much. Probably, however, it is already too late with you, you have already completely lost the reality and reference to the money. And if that should be true with the wins of over 20k, then anyway. You have gambled away at least 200k to be able to pay out 20k, so you have made at least 180,000 minus, but you don't even realize it yourself.
If you would go to work instead of gambling away 3k every day in the Spielo and online even far more ...... but so the whole discussion makes no sense at all. To earn 3,000 you have to work very hard and hard with legal work at least about 1 whole year 12h every day. And no one who goes to work gambles away 3k every evening just like that.
No matter how much money you still have, keep doing it, you have to bet 10,000 every evening, and at Blackjack like Roulette per spin at least 30,000 the round, there you can win much much more than with only 3k in the evening. Or, which is relatively more likely, you will be completely broke in 1 to 2 months at the latest, homeless on the street without a single cent.
Believe me, I know a lot of people who had inherited millions, from wherever, and started to gamble with it, the money was completely gone within a few months. If you want to end up like that, then continue, if not then I would urgently seek help and do therapy. The sums you are gambling with almost daily, I somehow still can't believe it, sorry.
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