@gamble1: Recommend you do not respond to the troll, even if it is not a troll, then it is not a person with whom I want to discuss. I would like to say before that I know that the regulations do not stand up for the Player protection seriously, but also something like limits count for me to player protection even if only slightly. I can judge about it when I have the draft or the regulation at the end actually before eyes.
Tr. 5.0 and so on is not player protection, but here was clearly aimed at attracting people to the casino. Otherwise, similar rules would apply there as well. But the casino is not restricted and since Tr. 4.0 at the latest, they know how the regulations are circumvented and yet they act as if they would be annoyed and change nothing at all.
@Kleinkariert Jap troll or simply not able to lead a meaningful discussion (not meant badly TE)
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Still briefly something I do not go further on it you throw again things in the room that have zero to do with what I wrote
3.000 € 1 year of work ? not in life ! 2 months if you have the last crap job in DE is more like it
That's it then also from my side I get off here at this point times and it's also quite late I have to finally tomorrow again lobby work .... I mean procurement crime ... ähh.. sorry meant casino work operate to come to the 10 € where the majority earns here in the month hard life but what can I say people do not get addicted by themselves
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@Kleinkariert: You're probably right. So, just a troll working for the casino mafia to get sick people hooked. I thought so. Then I can also imagine that he could often pay out 20k and more. But not a normal gambler. On something like this, you really should not go further, and also do not fall for it on this nonsense.
He gets millions in commission every month from the casinos, if you Deposit where, and then laughs one that he has managed that again jenand has gambled away his last 10er.
Even when playing offline, he even violates all the rules. A normal customer, who would do that, would fly with security immediately from each Spielo raus. So, he gets money from the arcade operator as a gift, so he can gamble there for hours. With these people, even in the hall then the RTP is set very high on the respective devices, sometimes to over 200 percent, and then it is probably clear that then also times wins come etc.. And then someone stands next to it, watches this and throws in his last 5 euros, which he would have urgently needed to live for the rest of the month. He wins nothing, of course, the money is gone in 2 minutes at the latest.
Sad that people are not able to do a serious job.
Such a thing would never make, then rather earn only 2 euros / hour with honest and hard work, as millions for something to "earn", where you constantly sick people or even those who are not yet addicted, must pull in the dirt.
For any uploads of his winning pictures, he certainly gets thousands of euros for every single video that he uploads.
Honestly, something like this should be strictly forbidden, .... disgusting such people who would do ANYTHING just to get a lot of money.
You don't have to pay a single cent to the casino at all. Since gambling in Online Casinos is generally illegal in DE. Casinos are the other way around, you would have won a lot, or your win of over 40k really tried to pay out, then you would have 99.9999 percent probability your money so or so not get and would have the win also nowhere to sue.
Likewise, no casino now to reclaim money from you and also at no court in DE to sue you, because they would not have let you play there at all.
If you had money now, for a good lawyer, but that would cause about 10 times the cost, you could with luck your deposited 1,000 euros from the casino even claim back.
Furthermore, your bank has also made itself punishable, because they have accepted the transactions to the casino, which is also not legal. In addition, your account was not even covered
The bank has no right to make any claims against you. The only thing that will happen is that your account will be terminated for sure, and all credit cards will be blocked. You won't be able to open an account with a reputable bank anymore, because you will be entered into the SCHUFA in any case. And to what extent criminal consequences will now come, because of illegal gambling, money laundering, etc. I can not say
In the worst case, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or if an expert confirms that you are severely addicted to gambling and were really guilty at the time of the crime, then you would be completely acquitted by the court, but then follows a placement in the closed psychiatric ward (Maßregelvollzug). This is a kind of compulsory therapy, for an indefinite period of time, until the doctors or an external expert certifies that you are cured again and no further crimes are to be feared in the future. But that is a long way, there are many who sit there for 10 or 20 years and longer and hardly have a chance of release. I don't want to scare you, but that's the way it is in Germany. With something like that, the punishments can be really harder than if someone has committed a murder or something. A human life is worth nothing in Germany, but when it comes to money, and even such sums, the authorities know no gnafe.
There are now also more and more reputable payment service providers and banks generally withdraw from this illegal business, such as PayPal, which are now believe for over 2 years completely out, just because there were too many players who played with money they did not have. And PayPal then of course had no chance to ever get the money again, because money from illegal gambling can never be successfully claimed in any court.
Hope it helps you a little bit. Unfortunately, I can't really say much more about it.
It is better to seek help for your Gambling addiction as soon as possible, even before it comes to court, so you could possibly prevent the 63 or 64 StGB. Because you can't get out of the forensics so fast, and there people are still tortured and poisoned with chemical drugs. The best thing is to look for a good lawyer as soon as possible, if you have no money, then first get a consultation certificate for a lawyer, if it comes to the trial, you are also entitled to PKH or legal aid, a public defender, etc.
Well, nevertheless I wish you a lot of strength and success, that you will somehow get out of the matter.
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Whether I have to pay back something I do not know yet, I ask next week with a lawyer. Regarding psychiatry, etc. I have nothing to blame, because I have this disease on paper, so if then my bank is to blame, because it participates in ILLEGAL GLÜCKSSPIEL.bzw. the casino, I'm the sick person in the blackout mode with all means wanted to continue playing. But another thing: basically you are right with MUCH, however, you exaggerate enormously, eg when it comes to psychiatry, I myself have two good friends who were there, and except that they.are tied to the bed when they freak out, nothing happened to them
Andy_1980 wrote on 02/14/2020 at 1:37 pm: @Kleinkariert: I guess you're right about that. So, just a troll after all, working for the casino mafia to get sick people hooked. I thought so. Then I can also imagine that he could often pay out 20k and more. But not a normal gambler. On something like this, you really should not go further, and also do not fall for it on this nonsense.
He gets millions in commission every month from the casinos, if you Deposit where, and then laughs one that he has managed that again jenand has gambled away his last 10er.
Even when playing offline, he even violates all the rules. A normal customer, who would do that, would fly with security immediately from each Spielo raus. So, he gets money from the arcade operator as a gift, so he can gamble there for hours. With these people, even in the hall then the RTP is set very high on the respective devices, sometimes to over 200 percent, and then it is probably clear that then also times wins come etc.. And then someone stands next to it, watches this and throws in his last 5 euros, which he would have urgently needed to live for the rest of the month. He wins nothing, of course, the money is gone in 2 minutes at the latest.
Sad that people are not able to do a serious job.
Such a thing would never make, then rather earn only 2 euros / hour with honest and hard work, as millions for something to "earn", where you constantly sick people or even those who are not yet addicted, must pull in the dirt.
For any uploads of his winning pictures, he certainly gets thousands of euros for every single video that he uploads.
Honestly, something like this should be strictly forbidden, .... disgusting such people who would do ANYTHING just to get a lot of money.
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Er rallt echt nix more... 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂💪💪💪
This show he (Andy_1980) pulls off here he has also pulled off in the then Slot machine forum only he had a different name because I've unfortunately forgotten and for 2 € the hour working no one goes to work today.
ok now is clear 100% troll thanks Andy for the great conversation
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as I said, the casino can not claim any money back from you. It is also quite unlikely to be on an account from my casino even with 1 cent in minsus, because casinos usually do not give credits to play. As soon as you are at ZERO, there is always a message that you should redeposit first, etc.
You have to be careful, because even here in the forum there are enough trolls who want to fool you, and tell you that you should only Deposit money again and spin a few times, then have 20,000 euros on it, are rid of your debts and the casino immediately pays out the money. I've already fallen for something like that, I should deposit 200 or so, and run up to 5,000, with some hacked casino software that would be possible. The guy wanted half of the win, even sue for it, etc. I had not even 200 euros to deposit somewhere.
It is so, so just if you are ill and about it also expert's reports are present, the judge can order no prison sentence in the case. Well, it certainly depends on whether you already have previous convictions that are related to the gambling addiction.
But, should it come to a trial, you would be acquitted because you were not guilty at the time of the crime.
Everything would then come down to paragraph 63 or paragraph 64 of the Criminal Code. You can't really do anything against that, you would need a very good lawyer and a counter-opinion, which shows that you were not incapable of guilt at the time of the crime, but were in your right mind and knew exactly what you were doing, e.g. that it is illegal to gamble.
So, as I said, the best thing you can do is to consult a lawyer. Because from the outset, to plead not guilty, to get the acquittal and therefore the 63, that's not necessarily the best way to go. As I said, the placement is for an indefinite period of time, and only when you get a positive opinion from the doctors is there any chance of release. Many of them sit there for 20 years or more, with no chance of ever getting out, and you have to swallow all the chemicals they give you, otherwise, as you yourself write, there will be torture, fixation, etc., and you won't see daylight for the whole time, sitting in a cell with murderers, abusers, child molesters, etc. This is the normal (general) psychiatric treatment. That is the normal (general psychiatry) still harmless against it.
Well, if you admit your guilt and can credibly testify in court that you were fully conscious ...... , have a good lawyer and no previous convictions in this direction, then you get a maximum of 3 or 4 years, with good behavior and if you then voluntarily undergo therapy, perhaps even less. Because in forensics there is definitely no help and also no therapy possibility, because you have to sit in the cell for 24 hours. Believe me, prison is harmless compared to that, and you know that you will get out again and how long it will take.
An acquaintance of mine, who was also in the measure rule believe 7 years, because he wanted absolutely the acquittal. Well, he would have gotten 3 or 4 months imprisonment.
But you'd better discuss the whole thing with a lawyer who knows his stuff and can give you good advice.
You have forgotten the probationary condition my best. That is that you are not allowed to move on online casino sites. Kind of like a convicted child molester who is not allowed to live in the vicinity of schools etc. and is also not allowed to use online platforms where children are on the move.
So, now you can paint it further. Who really needs help here has already noticed all 🙂
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Tr. 5.0 and so on is not player protection, but here was clearly aimed at attracting people to the casino. Otherwise, similar rules would apply there as well. But the casino is not restricted and since Tr. 4.0 at the latest, they know how the regulations are circumvented and yet they act as if they would be annoyed and change nothing at all.
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Still briefly something I do not go further on it you throw again things in the room that have zero to do with what I wrote
3.000 € 1 year of work ? not in life ! 2 months if you have the last crap job in DE is more like it
That's it then also from my side I get off here at this point times and it's also quite late I have to finally tomorrow again lobby work .... I mean procurement crime ... ähh.. sorry meant casino work operate to come to the 10 € where the majority earns here in the month hard life but what can I say people do not get addicted by themselves
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He gets millions in commission every month from the casinos, if you Deposit where, and then laughs one that he has managed that again jenand has gambled away his last 10er.
Even when playing offline, he even violates all the rules. A normal customer, who would do that, would fly with security immediately from each Spielo raus. So, he gets money from the arcade operator as a gift, so he can gamble there for hours. With these people, even in the hall then the RTP is set very high on the respective devices, sometimes to over 200 percent, and then it is probably clear that then also times wins come etc.. And then someone stands next to it, watches this and throws in his last 5 euros, which he would have urgently needed to live for the rest of the month. He wins nothing, of course, the money is gone in 2 minutes at the latest.
Sad that people are not able to do a serious job.
Such a thing would never make, then rather earn only 2 euros / hour with honest and hard work, as millions for something to "earn", where you constantly sick people or even those who are not yet addicted, must pull in the dirt.
For any uploads of his winning pictures, he certainly gets thousands of euros for every single video that he uploads.
Honestly, something like this should be strictly forbidden, .... disgusting such people who would do ANYTHING just to get a lot of money.
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Whether I have to pay back something I do not know yet, I ask next week with a lawyer. Regarding psychiatry, etc. I have nothing to blame, because I have this disease on paper, so if then my bank is to blame, because it participates in ILLEGAL GLÜCKSSPIEL.bzw. the casino, I'm the sick person in the blackout mode with all means wanted to continue playing. But another thing: basically you are right with MUCH, however, you exaggerate enormously, eg when it comes to psychiatry, I myself have two good friends who were there, and except that they.are tied to the bed when they freak out, nothing happened to them
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as I said, the casino can not claim any money back from you. It is also quite unlikely to be on an account from my casino even with 1 cent in minsus, because casinos usually do not give credits to play. As soon as you are at ZERO, there is always a message that you should redeposit first, etc.
You have to be careful, because even here in the forum there are enough trolls who want to fool you, and tell you that you should only Deposit money again and spin a few times, then have 20,000 euros on it, are rid of your debts and the casino immediately pays out the money. I've already fallen for something like that, I should deposit 200 or so, and run up to 5,000, with some hacked casino software that would be possible. The guy wanted half of the win, even sue for it, etc. I had not even 200 euros to deposit somewhere.
It is so, so just if you are ill and about it also expert's reports are present, the judge can order no prison sentence in the case. Well, it certainly depends on whether you already have previous convictions that are related to the gambling addiction.
But, should it come to a trial, you would be acquitted because you were not guilty at the time of the crime.
Everything would then come down to paragraph 63 or paragraph 64 of the Criminal Code. You can't really do anything against that, you would need a very good lawyer and a counter-opinion, which shows that you were not incapable of guilt at the time of the crime, but were in your right mind and knew exactly what you were doing, e.g. that it is illegal to gamble.
So, as I said, the best thing you can do is to consult a lawyer. Because from the outset, to plead not guilty, to get the acquittal and therefore the 63, that's not necessarily the best way to go. As I said, the placement is for an indefinite period of time, and only when you get a positive opinion from the doctors is there any chance of release. Many of them sit there for 20 years or more, with no chance of ever getting out, and you have to swallow all the chemicals they give you, otherwise, as you yourself write, there will be torture, fixation, etc., and you won't see daylight for the whole time, sitting in a cell with murderers, abusers, child molesters, etc. This is the normal (general) psychiatric treatment. That is the normal (general psychiatry) still harmless against it.
Well, if you admit your guilt and can credibly testify in court that you were fully conscious ...... , have a good lawyer and no previous convictions in this direction, then you get a maximum of 3 or 4 years, with good behavior and if you then voluntarily undergo therapy, perhaps even less. Because in forensics there is definitely no help and also no therapy possibility, because you have to sit in the cell for 24 hours. Believe me, prison is harmless compared to that, and you know that you will get out again and how long it will take.
An acquaintance of mine, who was also in the measure rule believe 7 years, because he wanted absolutely the acquittal. Well, he would have gotten 3 or 4 months imprisonment.
But you'd better discuss the whole thing with a lawyer who knows his stuff and can give you good advice.
All the best
Good luck!
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So, now you can paint it further. Who really needs help here has already noticed all 🙂
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