I've never read the terms and conditions either, but I've also learned the hard way, when playing with Bonuses I read the important sections, it looks more than it really is
According to the motto, if you see so many words, you don't even start to read what was going well for the casinos in the beginning or is still going well ^^
Langhans wrote on 27.03.2024 at 11:16: You can't write that often enough, because it prevents anger and disappointment and can also prevent people from losing their money
well, it won't bend anything here, at most the TE's back.
and Gamble1's detailed answer was the last straw.
(just think, if you put yourself in the shoes of someone who has just been cut off 20,000, then you might feel a bit more what it might be like if the blame and "i always do it this way and that way and i'm fine" is discussed in detail)
but maybe a general bonus - what to look out for at the individual casinos - section or a pinned thread would be good. there are already some groups where this would be worthwhile. Starscream with the non-banned games, Versus Odds with the 5x max cashout or that you have to have deposited 150 raw beforehand for some offers, etc.
I haven't read through the Gamble Joe T&Cs either, for example - not until today
Oh dear, I hope the admins don't read that... otherwise you'll get detention!
I have of course read through GJ's terms and conditions and memorized them.
Langhans wrote on March 27th, 2024 at 10:46 am:
With casinos it is (now) quite different. Without having read the Bonus terms and conditions as well as the general terms and conditions relating to withdrawals/deposits, I don't register there in the first place, because it only depends on whether the Provider is interesting. I don't really need any deadbeats who bombard me with offers that I'm not going to accept anyway With things for everyday use, such as various PC tools etc., it's a different story: "Accept, continue, install, done"
It may be hard to imagine, but it's not just casinos where terms and conditions are important. Especially with programs and co. there can be a lot there ^^ But yes, you don't read it through and agree anyway.
Hidaruma wrote on 03/27/2024 10:59 AM:
When I started gambling, I didn't read through the T&Cs either. When I didn't get my win at VulkanVegas because of a double account (authorized), that changed.
You learn from your mistakes. Perhaps OP should do the same before hiring what feels like a whole armada of lawyers.
That's annoying, but it certainly wasn't about €20,000 for you either. I mean, yes, it's a breach of terms and conditions, but come on... it's just like the max bet rule... it's only there so that casinos can protect themselves. With higher depositors and Bonuses I can understand it, but we're talking about €25 or 50% of that €25 which would be €12.5... what do you want to do with €12.5 please? A 10€ spin... yes, 20k was won here, but it's still very rare.
I know that it is a violation of the terms and conditions and that OC has a Curacao license. That's another reason why I don't see any chance of getting the money, but including such a rule in the terms and conditions is simply absurd and should be banned - regardless of the license.
Something like that is annoying, but you certainly weren't talking about €20,000 either. I mean, yes it's a breach of terms and conditions, but come on... that's just like the max bet rule... only meant for casinos to protect themselves. With higher depositors and Bonuses I can understand it, but we're talking about €25 or 50% of that €25 which would be €12.5... what do you want to do with €12.5 please? A 10€ spin... yes, 20k was won here, but it's still very rare.
I know that it is a violation of the terms and conditions and that OC has a Curacao license. That's another reason why I don't see any chance of getting the money, but including such a rule in the terms and conditions is simply absurd and should be banned - regardless of the license.
well, it doesn't bend anything here, at most the TE's back.
and Gamble1's detailed answer has sealed the bag at the latest.
(just think, if you put yourself in the position of someone who has just been cut 20,000, then you might feel a bit more what it might be like if the blame and "i always do it this way and that and i'm fine" is discussed in detail)
but maybe a general bonus - what to look out for at the individual casinos - section or a pinned thread would be good. there are already some groups where that would be worthwhile. Starscream with the non-banned games, Versus Odds with the 5x max cashout or that you have to have deposited 150 raw beforehand for some offers, etc.
I do think that it can have a preventative effect if it is pointed out from several sides (repeatedly, if you like) how important it is to study the terms and conditions in such cases that regularly crop up here. Especially for those who play with bonuses. The topics are not only followed by the creator and the "regulars", but also by non-registered players and many others who do not even comment on them. Anyone can then draw the conclusion "Oh well, next time I'll prepare myself as well as possible so that I don't end up like the person who didn't get his win". Some have now realized that, unfortunately, he is undoubtedly in the wrong and that is not an assignment of blame, but the harsh reality. I know very well what it feels like when you make a mistake. I told you about this just recently and it has sensitized me to this issue. I can't see any back-pedaling when I write about how I feel about studying the rules. PS. By the way, I think the idea of opening a new topic that deals specifically with the pitfalls of various casinos is a good one. That can surely only have a positive effect.
Something like that is annoying, but you certainly weren't talking about €20,000 either. I mean, yes it's a breach of terms and conditions, but come on... that's just like the max bet rule... only meant for casinos to protect themselves. With higher depositors and Bonuses I can understand it, but we're talking about €25 or 50% of that €25 which would be €12.5... what do you want to do with €12.5 please? A 10€ spin... yes, 20k was won here, but it's still very rare.
I know that it is a violation of the terms and conditions and that OC has a Curacao license. That's another reason why I don't see any chance of getting the money, but including such a rule in the terms and conditions is simply absurd and should be banned - regardless of the license.
Whether it's 20k like the OP or 2k like me is irrelevant. A breach of terms and conditions is a breach of terms and conditions. The casino would have set it at EUR 100 in exactly the same way. I think everyone can understand that it just sucks when you win so much money and don't get it because of a breach of terms and conditions.
It's also clear that it's an unsightly scam by most casinos, but there's still nothing you can do.
The only thing you can say here is: it's a bad move and we'll move on.
If it were an MGA casino, they wouldn't even accept the case because they don't deal with breaches of terms and conditions directly.
In the end, all we can say here is that the OP has paid a very, very, very high price for the lesson "Read the terms and conditions carefully, otherwise stay away from bonuses", even if it's stupid.
I think that it can have a preventive effect if, in such cases that regularly appear here, it is pointed out from several sides (repeatedly, if you like) how important it is to study the terms and conditions. Especially for those who play with bonuses. The topics are not only followed by the creator and the "regulars", but also by non-registered players and many others who do not even comment on them. Anyone can then draw the conclusion "Oh well, next time I'll prepare myself as well as possible so that I don't end up like the person who didn't get his win". Some have now realized that, unfortunately, he is undoubtedly in the wrong and that is not an assignment of blame, but the harsh reality. I know very well what it feels like when you make a mistake. I told you about this just recently and it has sensitized me to this issue. I can't see any back-pedaling when I write about how I feel about studying the rules. PS. By the way, I think the idea of opening a new topic that deals specifically with the pitfalls of various casinos is a good one. That can surely only have a positive effect.
"kicking the can down the road" was your formulation
at this point (i.e. TE is already - painfully - slammed down), i still feel that repeatedly pointing out the importance of reading the bonus conditions for the (very) hypothetical benefit of the general public is neither empathetic nor expedient. we don't come together there. but we don't have to.
if there should be a corresponding thread / whatever, on the subject of bonus T & Cs, i hope that you will profitably contribute your collected knowledge as a passionate bonus user and conditions reader. i think that hardly anyone here can fall back on a similar amount of experience / know-how.
Hidaruma wrote on March 27, 2024 at 2:18 pm:
Whether that's 20k like the OP, or 2k like me, doesn't matter. A breach of terms and conditions is a breach of terms and conditions. The casino would have set it at 100 EUR. I think everyone can understand that it just sucks when you win so much money and don't get it because of a breach of terms and conditions.
It's also clear that it's an unsightly scam by most casinos, but there's still nothing you can do.
The only thing you can say here is: it went wrong and we'll move on.
If it were an MGA casino, they wouldn't even accept the case because they don't deal with breaches of terms and conditions directly.
Ultimately, the only thing that can be said here is that the OP has paid a very, very, very high price for the lesson "Read the T&Cs carefully, otherwise stay away from bonuses", even if it is stupid.
Yes, it's still a breach of terms and conditions and the amount is relative, but 2k hurts less than 20k. With 2k you can buy a gaming PC or finance a vacation. With 20k you can buy a new car. These are just different dimensions: Besides, this rule is just stupid.
You first have to realize what the casino is actually offering you. You Deposit €25 and then withdraw a maximum of €62.50. Sure, no wagering, but wtf is that? Even if you take advantage of the offer with €100, the maximum is €250 (50*5). Here the player has risked €25 to not even be allowed to win €40. Simply ridiculous. I could understand it if you deposit €1000, get a 500% bonus and have a balance of €5k. The Risk appetite is of course higher and you might dare to bet €100 or more per spin, but we're talking about an additional €12.5 credited to your balance... what do you want to do with that? Even if you make a €35 spin... how high is the chance of a dead spin? High.
at this point (i.e. TE is already - painfully - slammed down) i still find repeated references to the importance of reading the bonus conditions for the (very) hypothetical benefit of the general public to be neither empathetic nor purposeful. we don't come together there. but we don't have to.
if there should be a corresponding thread / whatever, on the subject of bonus T & Cs, i hope that you will profitably contribute your collected knowledge as a passionate bonus user and conditions reader. i think that hardly anyone here can fall back on a similar amount of experience / know-how.
That's right, I freely translated the "his back is bent" as "kicking" - I think that makes sense. Otherwise, I've explained again how it was meant. It's not that I know exactly why you use such an ironic to malicious undertone in the next part, but yes: of course I would most likely also try to get involved in this topic
Yes, it remains a T&C violation and the amount is relative, but 2k hurts less than 20k. With 2k you can buy a gaming PC or finance a vacation. With 20k you can buy a new car. These are just different dimensions: Besides, this rule is just stupid.
You first have to realize what the casino is actually offering you. You Deposit €25 and then withdraw a maximum of €62.50. Sure, no wagering, but wtf is that? Even if you take advantage of the offer with €100, the maximum is €250 (50*5). Here the player has risked €25 to not even be allowed to win €40. Simply ridiculous. I could understand it if you deposited €1000, got a 500% bonus and had a balance of €5k. The Risk appetite is of course higher and you might dare to bet €100 or more per spin, but we're talking about an additional €12.5 credited to your balance... what do you want to do with that? Even if you make a €35 spin... how high is the chance of a dead spin? High.
I have already written that the terms and conditions are stupid. You can go on and on about the dimensions, but it will achieve nothing.
Right, I freely translated the "his back is bent" as "kicking" - I think that makes sense. Otherwise, I've explained again how it was meant. It's not that I know exactly why you use such an ironic to malicious undertone in the further part, but yes: of course I would most likely also try to get involved in this topic
i am completely serious.
i don't know who here has had as much bonus experience in different casinos. (judging only by reading the posts here).
they are in good hands in a thread like this.
edit: plus I've just read the AGbs properly. without irony or malice.
dazzle_tea wrote on 27.03.2024 at 15:07: I'm completely serious.
i don't know who here has had as much bonus experience in different casinos. (judging only from reading the posts here).
they are in good hands in a thread like this.
edit: plus I've just read the AGbs properly. without irony or malice.
All right, then of course I take that back and misinterpreted it. Sorry. But the bottom line is that the impression must still have been misleading. God knows I'm not the all-knowing and most successful bonus monster here I can think of quite a few others who have already been through far more Bonuses and also have many more years of experience. Perhaps I speak up relatively often on this topic because it interests me the most...that may be. But I have a reputation as a lower lowroller, and perhaps that's exactly why meticulousness is so important to me, as it allows me to keep my small change together in the best possible way. Of course, this is just a subjective assessment
I feel sorry for the TE that he only received 62 euros instead of the 20k. That's really bitter and I think something like that can haunt you for a long time. Of course it's always a bit annoying to read the terms and conditions, but unfortunately it's unavoidable if you want to play it safe and avoid any nasty surprises. For absolute newcomers who are playing for the first time and then with a bonus, perhaps a warning, a kind of bid board, would be helpful. A few points about what to look out for and that it is important to read the terms and conditions in the first place. For those who have been with us for a while, it's clear what to do anyway.
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well, it won't bend anything here, at most the TE's back.
and Gamble1's detailed answer was the last straw.
(just think, if you put yourself in the shoes of someone who has just been cut off 20,000, then you might feel a bit more what it might be like if the blame and "i always do it this way and that way and i'm fine" is discussed in detail)
but maybe a general bonus - what to look out for at the individual casinos - section or a pinned thread would be good. there are already some groups where this would be worthwhile. Starscream with the non-banned games, Versus Odds with the 5x max cashout or that you have to have deposited 150 raw beforehand for some offers, etc.
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Oh dear, I hope the admins don't read that... otherwise you'll get detention!
I have of course read through GJ's terms and conditions and memorized them.
It may be hard to imagine, but it's not just casinos where terms and conditions are important. Especially with programs and co. there can be a lot there ^^ But yes, you don't read it through and agree anyway.
That's annoying, but it certainly wasn't about €20,000 for you either. I mean, yes, it's a breach of terms and conditions, but come on... it's just like the max bet rule... it's only there so that casinos can protect themselves. With higher depositors and Bonuses I can understand it, but we're talking about €25 or 50% of that €25 which would be €12.5... what do you want to do with €12.5 please? A 10€ spin... yes, 20k was won here, but it's still very rare.
I know that it is a violation of the terms and conditions and that OC has a Curacao license. That's another reason why I don't see any chance of getting the money, but including such a rule in the terms and conditions is simply absurd and should be banned - regardless of the license.
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i see it exactly the same way.
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I do think that it can have a preventative effect if it is pointed out from several sides (repeatedly, if you like) how important it is to study the terms and conditions in such cases that regularly crop up here. Especially for those who play with bonuses. The topics are not only followed by the creator and the "regulars", but also by non-registered players and many others who do not even comment on them. Anyone can then draw the conclusion "Oh well, next time I'll prepare myself as well as possible so that I don't end up like the person who didn't get his win". Some have now realized that, unfortunately, he is undoubtedly in the wrong and that is not an assignment of blame, but the harsh reality. I know very well what it feels like when you make a mistake. I told you about this just recently and it has sensitized me to this issue. I can't see any back-pedaling when I write about how I feel about studying the rules. PS. By the way, I think the idea of opening a new topic that deals specifically with the pitfalls of various casinos is a good one. That can surely only have a positive effect.
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Whether it's 20k like the OP or 2k like me is irrelevant. A breach of terms and conditions is a breach of terms and conditions. The casino would have set it at EUR 100 in exactly the same way. I think everyone can understand that it just sucks when you win so much money and don't get it because of a breach of terms and conditions.
It's also clear that it's an unsightly scam by most casinos, but there's still nothing you can do.
The only thing you can say here is: it's a bad move and we'll move on.
If it were an MGA casino, they wouldn't even accept the case because they don't deal with breaches of terms and conditions directly.
In the end, all we can say here is that the OP has paid a very, very, very high price for the lesson "Read the terms and conditions carefully, otherwise stay away from bonuses", even if it's stupid.
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"kicking the can down the road" was your formulation
at this point (i.e. TE is already - painfully - slammed down), i still feel that repeatedly pointing out the importance of reading the bonus conditions for the (very) hypothetical benefit of the general public is neither empathetic nor expedient. we don't come together there. but we don't have to.
if there should be a corresponding thread / whatever, on the subject of bonus T & Cs, i hope that you will profitably contribute your collected knowledge as a passionate bonus user and conditions reader. i think that hardly anyone here can fall back on a similar amount of experience / know-how.
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Yes, it's still a breach of terms and conditions and the amount is relative, but 2k hurts less than 20k. With 2k you can buy a gaming PC or finance a vacation. With 20k you can buy a new car. These are just different dimensions: Besides, this rule is just stupid.
You first have to realize what the casino is actually offering you. You Deposit €25 and then withdraw a maximum of €62.50. Sure, no wagering, but wtf is that? Even if you take advantage of the offer with €100, the maximum is €250 (50*5). Here the player has risked €25 to not even be allowed to win €40. Simply ridiculous. I could understand it if you deposit €1000, get a 500% bonus and have a balance of €5k. The Risk appetite is of course higher and you might dare to bet €100 or more per spin, but we're talking about an additional €12.5 credited to your balance... what do you want to do with that? Even if you make a €35 spin... how high is the chance of a dead spin? High.
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That's right, I freely translated the "his back is bent" as "kicking" - I think that makes sense. Otherwise, I've explained again how it was meant. It's not that I know exactly why you use such an ironic to malicious undertone in the next part, but yes: of course I would most likely also try to get involved in this topic
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I have already written that the terms and conditions are stupid. You can go on and on about the dimensions, but it will achieve nothing.
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no, there was nothing ironic
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i don't know who here has had as much bonus experience in different casinos. (judging only by reading the posts here).
they are in good hands in a thread like this.
edit: plus I've just read the AGbs properly. without irony or malice.
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All right, then of course I take that back and misinterpreted it. Sorry. But the bottom line is that the impression must still have been misleading. God knows I'm not the all-knowing and most successful bonus monster here I can think of quite a few others who have already been through far more Bonuses and also have many more years of experience. Perhaps I speak up relatively often on this topic because it interests me the most...that may be. But I have a reputation as a lower lowroller, and perhaps that's exactly why meticulousness is so important to me, as it allows me to keep my small change together in the best possible way. Of course, this is just a subjective assessment
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