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Slot Games in general: Gates Of Olympus test: What do 50 bonus buys add up to? (Page 3)

Topic created on 12th Nov. 2023 | Page: 3 of 3 | Answers: 44 | Views: 2,979
frapi07
Expert

Pat1991 wrote on November 13th, 2023 at 4:35 pm: *Brooding*

Why does the ladder sometimes jump up on the third attempt? I know, I'm probably brooding here and in the end at most a small team of programmers knows the code or the decision making behind it. Nevertheless, I can still imagine that the Risk features are ultimately like a digital cube (only with significantly more than 6 sides).

And that the dice won't roll 50/50, but will roll the "right" number for me in a maximum of 30-40% of cases

Well. The end result remains the same: The bank / Spielo almost always wins

Entertainment (to give the ultimate kick to the player), mind games, what do I know There's a lot more psychology behind slots than you might think.

I once saw a documentary that explained how the machines are made. The software installation process is even regulated in such a way that two employees have to give their approval at the same time. This is done to prevent piracy and a leak of the algorithms. I can well imagine that only very few employees (4-5 people) can grant approval. But you don't need to know the algorithms to know how a vending machine works. As I said, it's all electronics and IT and there are always a lot of calculations behind it. The machine does not decide on a whim whether to push the ladder up to 140 or 300, but a program does. If the program has calculated that a payout must now be made, then the machine will pay out.

I honestly don't know how this works with Bingo Whale, but it certainly won't happen by chance. In real bingo, you would have to pay more with every bonus number you buy (i.e. 1st bonus number €1, 2nd bonus number €1.50, etc.). This is logical, as it increases your chances of winning because the number pool is constantly decreasing with each draw.


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schwede666
Top Member
Always an interesting attempt, nice!

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Pat1991
Top Member
With Bingo Whale, I honestly don't know how it works, but it certainly won't be random. In real Bingo, you would have to pay more with every bonus number you buy (i.e. 1st bonus number €1, 2nd bonus number €1.50 etc.). This is logical, as it increases your chances of winning because the number pool is constantly decreasing with each draw.

It's similar there. Especially if the odds are good (i.e. a field with the "right" number would bring a high win), the prizes per ball climb to dizzying heights. I have no idea how this is calculated.

I once saw a documentary that explained how the machines are made. The software installation process is even regulated in such a way that two employees have to give their approval at the same time. This is done to prevent piracy and a leak of the algorithms. I can well imagine that only very few employees (4-5 people) can grant approval. But you don't need to know the algorithms to know how a vending machine works. As I said, it's all electronics and IT and there are always a lot of calculations behind it. The machine does not decide on a whim whether to push the ladder up to 140 or 300, but a program does. If the program has calculated that a payout must now be made, then the machine will pay out.

And that is the crux of the matter. How does the software calculate this? I assume randomly. In the end, it's like tossing a coin in a Risk game, for example. It's just that this coin doesn't fall 50:50, but only in 4 / 10 cases on the "winning side", for example with a 20% house edge (quite conceivable on the Merkur boxes).

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B****e
I thought at the beginning that the bet determines what comes out of the bonusbuy, so the higher the better.

But since I've been watching donde's videos on youtube, bonus buys rarely seem to go well. Today he had a bonus buy of 5000 € at Wanted and went out with 0

It's all a rip-off ...

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Pat1991
Top Member
Gigi55 wrote on 14.11.2023 at 22:17: I thought at the beginning that the bet determines what comes out of the bonusbuy, so the higher the better....

But since I see donde's videos on youtube, bonusbuy rarely seem to go well. Today he had a bonus buy of 5000 € at Wanted and went out with 0

It's all a rip-off ...


You mean "Dead or a Wild"? The RTP for bonus buys is 96.27% - 96.43%, depending on the bonus, according to the game description.

With 5,000 euros, an average of 178.50 - 186.50 euros per spin goes into the sticky fingers of Hacksaw and Casino.

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frapi07
Expert

Pat1991 wrote on November 14, 2023 at 3:50 pm:
It's similar there. Especially when the odds are good (i.e. a field with the "right" number would bring a high win), the prices per ball climb to dizzying heights. I have no idea how this is calculated.

I don't know the exact calculation either, but there are also book slots where you can lure the reels. Think Book of Oz.

Pat1991 wrote on 11/14/2023 at 3:50 pm:
And that's the crux of the matter. How does the software calculate that? I assume randomly. In the end, it's like tossing a coin in a Risk game, for example. It's just that this coin doesn't fall 50:50, but only in 4 / 10 cases on the "winning side", for example with a 20% house advantage (quite conceivable on the Merkur boxes).

No, as I said, it depends on the mode of the machine. If the machine is in payout mode, then you are more likely to win in the risk game than if this were not the case. However, sometimes it can only be the ladder, sometimes only the cards pay. Rarely do both risk games pay out wins.

Gigi55 wrote on 14.11.2023 at 22:17: I thought at the beginning that the bet determines what comes out of the bonusbuy, so the higher the better...

But since I see donde's videos on youtube, bonusbuy rarely seem to go well. Today he had a bonus buy of 5000 € at Wanted and went out with 0

It's all a rip-off ...

But Wanted is very volatile. You can try it in the demo version. 20k can easily turn into 10-100€. But the max win is correspondingly high and when it crashes, it crashes.

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Pat1991
Top Member

No, as I said, it depends on the mode of the machine. If the machine is in payout mode, then you are more likely to win in the Risk game than if it were not. However, sometimes it can only be the ladder, sometimes only the cards pay. Rarely do both risk games pay out wins.

Ah, so you mean in "win mode" it's only "more likely". So according to your theory, in this winning window the machine changes from e.g. 50% fill rate to 90%, or something like that.


I have no idea if that's true. I rarely really pressed up, but when I cashed in big on the ladder, it often went straight up. Really such an awesome feeling... *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, FIREWORK!!!


But Wanted is very volatile. You can try it in the demo version. 20k can easily turn into 10-100€. But the max win is correspondingly high and when it crashes, it crashes.

Is that always the case with Hacksaw? I recently tried this frog game with a 10.80 euro bonus buy, and directly cashed in over 60 euros, and recently on 10 cents or so in another of them over 70. Conversely, however, in demo mode only minimal amounts have been won.

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frapi07
Expert

Pat1991 wrote on 15.11.2023 at 01:16:

Ah, so you mean in "win mode" it's just "probablyER". So according to your theory, in this win window the machine changes from e.g. 50% fill rate to 90%, or something like that.


I have no idea if that's true. I rarely really pushed up, but when I cashed in big on the ladder, it often went straight up. Really such an awesome feeling... *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, *clink*, FIREWORK!!!

It is more likely that you will win, but you have to remember that the program also has a cap. Cap= capacity, so something like a maximum amount. If the machine only wants to pay out 150, takes you to 150 and you continue to play, it will make a noise at some point and you will end up back at 0. Years ago I once got 4 explorers on 10 cents in the free spins at ne Novo. It was 100€. I then set it to 1 - 1.5 and got up to €160. Gambled on and got back to 0.&lt



Pat1991 wrote on 15.11.2023 at 01:16:

Is that always the case with Hacksaw? I recently tried this frog game with 10.80 Euro Bonus Buy, and directly cashed in over 60 Euro, and recently on 10 cents or so in another of those over 70. Conversely, however, in demo mode only minimal amounts have already been won.

Hacksaw and No Limits have great potential. A max win on No Limits can be 150,000x. Even at 0.20 cents, that's €30,000. For comparison: Gates max win on 0.20 cents is €1,000. Disadvantage: it is extremely volatile - i.e. it fluctuates a lot. There you can often get 0-10x, but the max. win is higher.

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B****e
Pat1991 wrote on 14.11.2023 at 23:33:

You mean "Dead or a Wild"? The RTP for bonus buys is 96.27% - 96.43%, depending on the bonus, according to the game description.

With 5,000 euros, an average of 178.50 - 186.50 euros per spin goes into the sticky fingers of Hacksaw and Casino.

No, I meant Wanted dead or alive, the one with the duel, where you can buy 3 different bonus buys (duel at dawn or wilds and something else)

I find 5000 € buy and then 0 (zero) just shows me that you can win just as little/much at stake as anywhere else

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BinGOLDiG
Expert
Don't any of you play at socialturnament?
These are free tournaments in which you can participate and compete against each other!
There are many different prizes, including cash prizes, and everyone wins a 10 at some point!
But for your test, it would definitely be more informative if you played these bonus buys there...
there are also these bonus buys as a tournament... you have to play different pragmatic games 10 times in a row with the free spins and then you will quickly realize that only 1 round out of a total of 10 is reasonably worthwhile! 😁

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gamble1
Legend

BinGOLD wrote on 16.11.2023 at 16:22: Don't any of you play at socialturnament????
On the one hand, these are free tournaments in which you can participate and compete against each other!
There are many different prizes including cash prizes and at some point everyone wins a 10ner!
But for your test, it would definitely be more informative if you played these bonus buys there...
there are also these bonus buys as a tournament... you have to play different pragmatic games 10 times in a row with the free spins and then you will quickly realize that only 1 round out of a total of 10 is reasonably worthwhile! 😁

Stop giving me that shit haha I was addicted to the site back then and always got small stuff but others always felt like they were on 200,000 points right after the first purchase

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B****e

BinGOLD wrote on 16.11.2023 at 16:22: Don't any of you play at socialturnament????
On the one hand, these are free tournaments in which you can participate and compete against each other!
There are many different prizes including cash prizes and at some point everyone wins a 10ner!
But for your test it would definitely be a bit more informative if you played these bonus buys there...
there are also these bonus buys as a tournament... you have to play different pragmatic games 10 times in a row with the free spins and then you will quickly realize that only 1 round out of a total of 10 is reasonably worthwhile! 😁

That's too time-consuming or a waste of life and time for me

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moralischverwerflich
Top Member

Pat1991 wrote on 12.11.2023 at 21:42:

Now we are back in the glass ball area I had opened a thread here the other day.

Still, it's annoying. If I want to jump into the "slots" conversation, then I always find it a nasty joke when there are any "random special rules" for free spins.

How the streamers always create these huge multis with maximum winnings is a real mystery to me.

Your win is pre-programmed as soon as you press the button or buy the bonus. That's not a "crystal ball", it's reality and has long been known.

And it's not just streamers who win maxwins with giant multis, normal players do too. (I've done it a few times myself). It's just that not everyone is so vocal about it, and maybe just 1% of all gamblers are represented in the communities.... As a result, only a very small proportion of such wins are made public.

And your test here is not wrong in principle to roughly check the chances, but in the end it is completely unrealistic.

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Pat1991
Top Member

Gigi55 wrote on 15.11.2023 at 20:10:
Ne I meant Wanted dead or alive, this one with the duel where you can buy 3 different bonus buy (duel at dawn or wilds and something else)

I find 5000 € buy and then 0 (zero) just shows me that you can win just as little / much at stake as anywhere else


I think we mean the same thing. I played the game a bit yesterday in demo mode and it was absolutely annoying. Hardly any wins, not much fun

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Iknowyou
Experienced
It was also one of my fav games for a long time. But unfortunately it takes far too long until a hit comes along.

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