Gates Of Olympus test: What do 50 bonus buys add up to?
12th Nov. 2023, at 11:59 pm CET#16
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frapi07 wrote on 12.11.2023 at 23:51:
I mean that's how slots generally work. Maybe someone else can confirm it or correct me. As soon as you press the button it's decided in milliseconds whether it's a win or loose. The whole look is only intended for the player. Whether on the machine or in the OC, it should work the same.
I always thought that this also applied to the free spins, i.e. that the spins were also random? But I think I once heard that at least with these "Pick & Win" things (where you have to press something and choose one of 6 treasure chests or something), what is allowed varies from state to state in the USA.
*Ponder*
It doesn't really matter, but I'm still interested
Gates Of Olympus test: What do 50 bonus buys add up to?
13th Nov. 2023, at 01:18 am CET#17
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Pat1991 wrote on 12.11.2023 at 23:59:
I always thought that this also applies to the free spins, so that the spins are also random? But I think I once heard that at least with these "Pick & Win" things (where you have to press where and choose one of 6 treasure chests or something) in the USA it varies from state to state what is allowed.
*Ponder*
It doesn't really matter, but I'm still interested
This selection thingy one out of 3 or 1 out of 30 is also already fixed if it were really based on luck, a player could theoretically always get the best result with luck
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13th Nov. 2023, at 01:46 am CET#18
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*Shrug*
There are also dice games in a real casino, aren't there? No computer decides there either, and if I'm lucky I can roll a six of a kind six times. It almost never happens, but it can. Just math and chance
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13th Nov. 2023, at 06:23 am CET#19
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Pat1991 wrote on 13.11.2023 at 01:46: *Shoulder shrug*
In a real casino there are also dice games, right? No computer decides there either, and if I'm lucky I can roll a six of a kind six times. It almost never happens, but it can. Just math and chance
But with things like that, the stores usually have table limits and 100 other things In the casino, you won't experience real chance anywhere - everything is optimized for a win for the bank
I always thought that this also applies to the free spins, so that the spins are also random? But I think I once heard that at least with these "Pick & Win" things (where you have to press where and choose one of 6 treasure chests or something) in the USA it varies from state to state what is allowed.
*Ponder*
It doesn't really matter, but I'm still interested
The Pick & Win you're talking about can also be found in Jackpots. There you usually have Mini, Mega and Grand. The way it usually works there is that you very often get the Grand twice, but in the end you win the Mini or Mega. The aim is to give you that "almost-win" feeling. You can also find this in Rubellose. For example, you have to get the 5 and you get a 4 or 6. This all serves to trigger you so that you try your luck again.
But remember one thing: nothing is random. Slot machines are based on mathematics. Everything is calculated and nothing is left to chance. The only thing that is random are the seeds that are awarded. If you change that, then your outcomes should also be changed. How to change the seed? End the season and start again. I don't know whether other methods such as the bet or the currency also change the seed.
gamble1 wrote on 13.11.2023 at 01:18:
This selection thingy one out of 3 or 1 out of 30 is also already fixed if that was really based on luck yes a player could theoretically always get the best result with luck
You know your way around better than I do. Maybe you can tell me more about the slots and whether I'm right with my explanation. I once picked it up from one of the few Youtubers (foreign gambler) who always explains it to his viewers like this. I don't know if it's true, but when I look at the max. wins at Pragmatic, I always find a similar structure or a script is clearly recognizable.
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13th Nov. 2023, at 07:38 am CET#21
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The Pick & Win you are referring to can also be found in jackpots. There you usually have Mini, Mega and Grand. The way it usually works there is that you very often get the Grand twice, but in the end you win the Mini or Mega. The aim is to give you that "almost-win" feeling. You can also find this in Rubellose. For example, you have to get the 5 and you get a 4 or 6. It's all there to trigger you to try your luck again.
Ah, you mean those things. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of those "choose one treasure chest out of six" things, or that Whale Bingo "choose out of 16 whales, but don't get the one that's angry" (or the symbol that says "Collect").
I think I once heard an expert say in a video that sometimes it's "predetermined" and sometimes it's a coincidence that happens when you press a symbol. In other words, predetermined in the sense that the result was already "diced" when the feature was triggered.
The "seed" thing sounds interesting. Is it really the case or does it help to "replace" it if it doesn't work at all? Or is that irrelevant, because every seed leads (or should lead?) to the same RTP?
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13th Nov. 2023, at 08:34 am CET#22
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Pat1991 wrote on 13.11.2023 at 07:38:
Ah, you mean those things. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of those "choose one treasure chest out of six" things now, or that Whale Bingo "choose out of 16 whales, but don't get the one that's angry" (or the icon that says "Collect").
I think I once heard an expert say in a video that sometimes it's "predetermined" and sometimes it's a coincidence that happens when you press a symbol. In other words, predetermined in the sense that the result was already "diced" when the feature was triggered.
The "seed" thing sounds interesting. Is it really the case or does it help to "replace" it if it doesn't work at all? Or is that irrelevant, because every seed leads (or should lead?) to the same RTP?
*Ponder*
I've never played Whale Bingo, but I would generally warn you against such slots. There is pure mathematics behind it. Nothing to do with chance. The same applies to Blackjack or Roulette slots - or "first person blackjack" in live casinos. These "slots" are worse than normal slots. With normal bingo/roulette/blackjack, there is chance and luck behind it. There is nothing behind slots.
Do you know "Pirates Arrrr us!" from Merkur? You can also select such coins in the free games. No matter what you press, everything is already pre-programmed. It's the same with the ladder or the cards. It's not chance but the machine that determines how high you get or how often you win with the cards.
The RTP has nothing to do with the seed. The RTP is a historical value and can vary slightly in the current month in which you are playing. On the other hand, it is a value that was achieved after millions of spins. A seed is the Random Number Generator, so to speak, that I always mention. You can look at it like a line. If you hit the right line, you win accordingly. The difference is that there is no fixed amount, but that you are awarded "luck" at random, so to speak. How much you can win is not known and even with a good seed you can lose everything if you play high and Risk a lot. A good seed is not an infinite moneyglitch ^^
Pat1991 wrote on 13.11.2023 at 01:46: *Shoulder shrug*
In a real casino there are also dice games, right? No computer decides there either, and if I'm lucky I can roll a six of a kind six times. It almost never happens, but it can. Just math and chance
Table games usually have a house advantage. In roulette it's the green 0, in BJ it's the rules and so on.
Gates Of Olympus test: What do 50 bonus buys add up to?
13th Nov. 2023, at 09:00 am CET#23
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I've never played Whale Bingo, but I would generally warn you against such slots. There is pure mathematics behind it. It has nothing to do with chance. The same applies to Blackjack or Roulette Slots - or in Live Casino also "First Person Blackjack". These "slots" are worse than normal slots. With normal bingo/roulette/blackjack, there is chance and luck behind it. There is nothing behind slots.
Do you know "Pirates Arrrr us!" from Merkur? You can also select such coins in the free games. No matter what you press, everything is already pre-programmed. It's the same with the ladder or the cards. It's not chance, but the machine that determines how high you get or how often you win with the cards.
I don't get it. What else could it be if not chance? The only possible difference is that in the various feature games, the result may already be decided when the game is triggered. Then everything that follows is just animation (like a "normal" spin, when the reels flash and click into place), but it's still chance.
And isn't it the case that an RNG (= "random number generator") creates a new seed with every spin? So that every time I press "Start" (apart perhaps from feature games / "free games"), the software draws a new random number from the "magic random thingy"?
i always found "Pirates Arrrr us" funny. Whenever I choose the "wrong" coins, it draws extra coins for me. Probably to get to the "right" / "better" RTP when I choose "wrong". Or, of course, the pick & win is completely scripted in the slot and the result of the "coin choice" is already known when the feeure rolls in.
With the "ladder" or the "card risk", a scripted result wouldn't make any sense, would it? Well, maybe it doesn't matter which card I draw, because the toad / "random generator" doesn't draw "red or black", but "player draws correct card or not". If the random generator decides (at the moment I choose one of the two cards) "Player moves on", the correct color is given.
That's exactly how I imagine the ladder works: The random generator rattles through a few million possibilities every second, and when I press the button, I have to be "lucky" enough to press it at the exact moment when the box is at "Yes, player moves up a level".
For me, Pragmatic is one of the worst providers I know. In the basic game, 40 or 50 dead spins in a row are not uncommon and in the FS you often get out with 0. But I don't know all the providers.
upola wrote on 13.11.2023 at 11:17: For me, Pragmatic is one of the worst providers I know. In the base game, 40 or 50 dead spins in a row are nothing rare and with the FS you often go out with 0. But I don't know all the providers.
Pragmatic is not a bad Provider but has only become one, just like Netent and all the other garbage
Gates Of Olympus test: What do 50 bonus buys add up to?
13th Nov. 2023, at 03:44 pm CET#27
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upola wrote on 13.11.2023 at 11:17: For me, Pragmatic is one of the worst providers I know. In the base game, 40 or 50 dead spins in a row are nothing rare and with the FS you often go out with 0. But I don't know all the providers.
I agree that the base game is annoying.
I've also won the MINIMUM a few times in the free games (usually 3x, as Scatter paid 3x), but strangely never a MAXIMUM. Both extremes should be equally rare. I also think it's totally stupid, but that's the way it is and the little gambler can't do anything about it - except maybe not play the provider. I very much doubt whether this is the solution.
Donnie wrote on 13.11.2023 at 13:45:
Pragmatic is not a bad Provider but has only become one, just like Netent and all the other garbage
The bad thing about Pragmatic is that they hardly bring out any innovations anymore, but just copy & paste and slap another theme on it. I actually think the game system of Gems Bonanza is quite cool and innovative, because it's not just normal free spins, but features, but slots like Jewel Bonanza or Xmas Bonanza are unnecessary because they already exist. Unfortunately, it's always like that in business - cows are milked to the last drop.
Regarding the pay outs... I know that they have been like this for at least 3 years. I don't know how they used to pay.
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13th Nov. 2023, at 03:58 pm CET#28
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Pat1991 wrote on 13.11.2023 at 09:00:
I don't get it. What else could it be if not a coincidence? The only possible difference is that in the various feature games, the result may already be decided when it is triggered. Then everything that follows is just animation (like a "normal" spin, when the reels flash and click into place), but it's still chance.
And isn't it the case that an RNG (= "random number generator") creates a new seed with every spin? So that every time I press "Start" (apart perhaps from feature games / "free games"), the software draws a new random number from the "magic random thingy"?
i always found "Pirates Arrrr us" funny. Whenever I choose the "wrong" coins, it draws extra coins for me. Probably to get to the "right" / "better" RTP when I choose "wrong". Or, of course, the pick & win is completely scripted in the slot and the result of the "coin choice" is already known when the feeure rolls in.
With the "ladder" or the "card risk", a scripted result wouldn't make any sense, would it? Well, maybe it doesn't matter which card I draw, because the toad / "random generator" doesn't draw "red or black", but "player draws correct card or not". If the random generator decides (at the moment I choose one of the two cards) "Player moves on", the correct color is given.
That's exactly how I imagine the ladder works: The random generator rattles through a few million possibilities per second, and when I press the button, I have to be "lucky" enough to press it at the exact moment when the box is at "Yes, player moves up a level".
that's exactly how it works. Such slots work like normal slots. The program knows immediately whether it is a win or a lose. Everything else is animation. This is not the case with real bingo. With every number that is drawn, you still have a real chance of winning. Not with Bingo Whale.
With the ladder/card it makes sense. The machine doesn't care which button you press, if the program says that it's over after the 3rd doubler, you'll always be shown the opposite of what you pressed. The ladder works in the same way, it's basically the same, except that the total win is not always doubled.
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13th Nov. 2023, at 04:35 pm CET#29
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*Brooding*
Why does the ladder sometimes jump up on the third attempt after all? I know, I'm probably just pondering here and in the end only a small team of programmers knows the code or the decision making behind it. Nevertheless, I can still imagine that the Risk features are ultimately like a digital cube (only with significantly more than 6 sides).
And that the dice won't roll 50/50, but will roll the "right" number for me in a maximum of 30-40% of cases
Well. The end result remains the same: The bank / Spielo almost always wins
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13th Nov. 2023, at 04:37 pm CET#30
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Bingo Whale also has these additional balls. All the numbers are probably calculated within a millisecond and only then played out. But as far as these "bonus balls" are concerned, which can be bought for money, they are probably only diced out the moment I click on "buy".
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I always thought that this also applied to the free spins, i.e. that the spins were also random? But I think I once heard that at least with these "Pick & Win" things (where you have to press something and choose one of 6 treasure chests or something), what is allowed varies from state to state in the USA.
*Ponder*
It doesn't really matter, but I'm still interested
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This selection thingy one out of 3 or 1 out of 30 is also already fixed if it were really based on luck, a player could theoretically always get the best result with luck
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There are also dice games in a real casino, aren't there? No computer decides there either, and if I'm lucky I can roll a six of a kind six times. It almost never happens, but it can. Just math and chance
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But with things like that, the stores usually have table limits and 100 other things In the casino, you won't experience real chance anywhere - everything is optimized for a win for the bank
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The Pick & Win you're talking about can also be found in Jackpots. There you usually have Mini, Mega and Grand. The way it usually works there is that you very often get the Grand twice, but in the end you win the Mini or Mega. The aim is to give you that "almost-win" feeling. You can also find this in Rubellose. For example, you have to get the 5 and you get a 4 or 6. This all serves to trigger you so that you try your luck again.
But remember one thing: nothing is random. Slot machines are based on mathematics. Everything is calculated and nothing is left to chance. The only thing that is random are the seeds that are awarded. If you change that, then your outcomes should also be changed. How to change the seed? End the season and start again. I don't know whether other methods such as the bet or the currency also change the seed.
You know your way around better than I do. Maybe you can tell me more about the slots and whether I'm right with my explanation. I once picked it up from one of the few Youtubers (foreign gambler) who always explains it to his viewers like this. I don't know if it's true, but when I look at the max. wins at Pragmatic, I always find a similar structure or a script is clearly recognizable.
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Ah, you mean those things. Yes, that's right. I was thinking of those "choose one treasure chest out of six" things, or that Whale Bingo "choose out of 16 whales, but don't get the one that's angry" (or the symbol that says "Collect").
I think I once heard an expert say in a video that sometimes it's "predetermined" and sometimes it's a coincidence that happens when you press a symbol. In other words, predetermined in the sense that the result was already "diced" when the feature was triggered.
The "seed" thing sounds interesting. Is it really the case or does it help to "replace" it if it doesn't work at all? Or is that irrelevant, because every seed leads (or should lead?) to the same RTP?
*Ponder*
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I've never played Whale Bingo, but I would generally warn you against such slots. There is pure mathematics behind it. Nothing to do with chance. The same applies to Blackjack or Roulette slots - or "first person blackjack" in live casinos. These "slots" are worse than normal slots. With normal bingo/roulette/blackjack, there is chance and luck behind it. There is nothing behind slots.
Do you know "Pirates Arrrr us!" from Merkur? You can also select such coins in the free games. No matter what you press, everything is already pre-programmed. It's the same with the ladder or the cards. It's not chance but the machine that determines how high you get or how often you win with the cards.
The RTP has nothing to do with the seed. The RTP is a historical value and can vary slightly in the current month in which you are playing. On the other hand, it is a value that was achieved after millions of spins. A seed is the Random Number Generator, so to speak, that I always mention. You can look at it like a line. If you hit the right line, you win accordingly. The difference is that there is no fixed amount, but that you are awarded "luck" at random, so to speak. How much you can win is not known and even with a good seed you can lose everything if you play high and Risk a lot. A good seed is not an infinite moneyglitch ^^
Table games usually have a house advantage. In roulette it's the green 0, in BJ it's the rules and so on.
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I don't get it. What else could it be if not chance? The only possible difference is that in the various feature games, the result may already be decided when the game is triggered. Then everything that follows is just animation (like a "normal" spin, when the reels flash and click into place), but it's still chance.
And isn't it the case that an RNG (= "random number generator") creates a new seed with every spin? So that every time I press "Start" (apart perhaps from feature games / "free games"), the software draws a new random number from the "magic random thingy"?
i always found "Pirates Arrrr us" funny. Whenever I choose the "wrong" coins, it draws extra coins for me. Probably to get to the "right" / "better" RTP when I choose "wrong". Or, of course, the pick & win is completely scripted in the slot and the result of the "coin choice" is already known when the feeure rolls in.
With the "ladder" or the "card risk", a scripted result wouldn't make any sense, would it? Well, maybe it doesn't matter which card I draw, because the toad / "random generator" doesn't draw "red or black", but "player draws correct card or not". If the random generator decides (at the moment I choose one of the two cards) "Player moves on", the correct color is given.
That's exactly how I imagine the ladder works: The random generator rattles through a few million possibilities every second, and when I press the button, I have to be "lucky" enough to press it at the exact moment when the box is at "Yes, player moves up a level".
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Pragmatic is not a bad Provider but has only become one, just like Netent and all the other garbage
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I agree that the base game is annoying.
I've also won the MINIMUM a few times in the free games (usually 3x, as Scatter paid 3x), but strangely never a MAXIMUM. Both extremes should be equally rare. I also think it's totally stupid, but that's the way it is and the little gambler can't do anything about it - except maybe not play the provider. I very much doubt whether this is the solution.
The bad thing about Pragmatic is that they hardly bring out any innovations anymore, but just copy & paste and slap another theme on it. I actually think the game system of Gems Bonanza is quite cool and innovative, because it's not just normal free spins, but features, but slots like Jewel Bonanza or Xmas Bonanza are unnecessary because they already exist. Unfortunately, it's always like that in business - cows are milked to the last drop.
Regarding the pay outs... I know that they have been like this for at least 3 years. I don't know how they used to pay.
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that's exactly how it works. Such slots work like normal slots. The program knows immediately whether it is a win or a lose. Everything else is animation. This is not the case with real bingo. With every number that is drawn, you still have a real chance of winning. Not with Bingo Whale.
With the ladder/card it makes sense. The machine doesn't care which button you press, if the program says that it's over after the 3rd doubler, you'll always be shown the opposite of what you pressed. The ladder works in the same way, it's basically the same, except that the total win is not always doubled.
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Why does the ladder sometimes jump up on the third attempt after all? I know, I'm probably just pondering here and in the end only a small team of programmers knows the code or the decision making behind it. Nevertheless, I can still imagine that the Risk features are ultimately like a digital cube (only with significantly more than 6 sides).
And that the dice won't roll 50/50, but will roll the "right" number for me in a maximum of 30-40% of cases
Well. The end result remains the same: The bank / Spielo almost always wins
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Or something like that
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