What do you think about the new Swiss gambling law?
15th Jun. 2018, at 01:11 pm CEST#1
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The Swiss have decided to consider all foreign gambling providers as illegal, including legitimate legal casinos like MrGreen or DrückGlück, as long as they do not pay tax in Switzerland. This also means internet censorship and much more. What do you think about this?
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What do you think about the new Swiss gambling law?
The Swiss government has fulfilled the wet dreams of the German government. Whether you think that's great or not; that's definitely their right as a non-EU member.
However, I also have some sympathy for the Swiss gamblers, because here all Swiss have to decide on something that affects only a few Swiss (and the tax authorities) in the end. For the Swiss players remains to hope that the permitted casinos are not strangled economically as in Germany (amusement tax reorganization; quote Wiki:" The revenue from Slot machine tax increased in recent years from € 190 million (2006) to € 1,048 million (2017) ) and the unsuspecting gambler only learns that by the fact that no more wins are distributed...
Under certain circumstances, the gambling providers will simply apply for a Swiss license, if such a thing is provided for.... They would then simply have to found a small subsidiary, which is assessed for tax purposes in Switzerland, and then it can go ahead...
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What do you think about the new Swiss gambling law?
16th Jun. 2018, at 04:15 pm CEST#4
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It is never a good idea to ban something outright, but it was a democratic vote, so it was perfectly ok
Vote, and therefore completely ok.
And the one or other gambler will also be grateful about it.
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I also wanted to say something about Internet censorship:
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17th Jun. 2018, at 07:46 pm CEST#6
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the3rdscatter wrote on 06/16/2018 at 3:38 pm
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In some circumstances the gambling operators will also simply apply for a Swiss license, if such a thing is provided for...they would then just have to set up a small subsidiary that is assessed for tax in Switzerland, and they can go ahead...
As far as I know, this is not provided for.
Because online licenses should only be granted to state casinos.
The law or the practical implementation is anyway forn A...
Foreign providers are asked not to make their offers available on the Swiss market. If the casinos do not comply, they are blacklisted and the Internet service providers block the sites. In practice, this means that if you visit an online casino that is not licensed in Switzerland from a Swiss IP address, you will see a stop page.
However, anyone who knows a little about the Internet can easily bypass this block by simply installing a VPN server such as IP-Vanish for $6.50 per month: https://www.ipvanish.com/ and surfing from an anonymous IP address in Germany, England, the Netherlands, China or whatever.
The setup is very easy. Just install the program, choose a country from which you want to surf and off you go ...
There are also completely free VPN services where you don't even have to register. However, these are usually so slow that you won't be able to gamble with them.
If a user calls an illegal page, then the ISP switches a stop page in between and blocks the page for the user. But if a user now uses a VPN server abroad and establishes a connection there, then the ISP only sees that the user has established a connection to the VPN server. What he does afterwards, the ISP can not understand and therefore also no stop side interpose. It is not technically feasible.
To enforce this ban 100%, the Swiss would have to somehow prohibit the use of VPN or proxy servers. However, you can't direct an entire legislation only to the relatively small population of gamers and ban VPNs
The EU-licensed casinos will probably almost all adhere to this ban and forbid their customers from using proxy or VPN servers to visit their sites. But the banana casinos won't give a damn about that.....
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Mombasa wrote on 06/17/2018 at 7:46 pm
As far as I know, this is not foreseen.
Because online licenses are supposed to be given exclusively to the state casinos.
The Swiss casinos will enter into joint ventures with large providers because otherwise they do not get it done and so some actually "illegal" providers will get a piece of the pie. The providers of the games also always earn. Ultimately, it is bullshit and changes nothing. A state should stay out of the offer of Games of chance, but create proper framework conditions
In Germany it is also the case that the "state" casinos are operated by Novomatic and Merkur or other private companies. It is complete eyewash that a state monopoly improves anything in player protection. In retrospect, I myself was addicted to gambling before I reached the age of majority, "thanks" to the German state. Because the state lottery companies allowed themselves to sell lottery tickets and sports bets to minors due to their supposedly excellent Player protection
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Daniel wrote on 18.06.2018 at 19:21: The law or the practical implementation is anyway forn A...
Foreign providers are asked to make their offers no longer available on the Swiss market. If the casinos do not comply they come on a Blacklist and the internet service providers block the sites. In practice, this means that if you visit an online casino that is not licensed in Switzerland from a Swiss IP address, you will see a stop page.
However, anyone who knows a little about the Internet can easily bypass this block by simply installing a VPN server such as IP-Vanish for $6.50 per month: https://www.ipvanish.com/ and surfing via an anonymous IP address from Germany, England, the Netherlands, China or whatever.
There are also completely free VPN services where you don't even have to register. However, these are usually so slow that you won't be able to gamble with them.
If a user calls an illegal page, then the ISP switches a stop page in between and blocks the page for the user. But if a user now uses a VPN server abroad and establishes a connection there, then the ISP only sees that the user has established a connection to the VPN server. What he does afterwards, the ISP can not understand and therefore also no stop side interpose. It is not technically feasible.
To enforce this ban 100%, the Swiss would have to somehow prohibit the use of VPN or proxy servers. However, you can't direct an entire legislation only to the relatively small population of gamers and ban VPNs
The EU-licensed casinos will probably almost all adhere to this ban and forbid their customers from using proxy or VPN servers to visit their sites. But the banana casinos won't give a damn about that.....
That is imo a bit short thought. Because also the money flows can be prevented on the one hand to the casinos and on the other hand payouts could be confiscated. In addition, it is simply questionable why someone should play at illegal providers when there are legal where the one knows that he gets his money if he wins. Technically, of course, you're right
TomWegas wrote on 06/18/2018 at 7:34 pm
This is imo a bit short thought. Because also the money flows can be prevented on the one hand to the casinos and on the other hand payouts could be confiscated. In addition, it is simply questionable why someone should play at illegal providers if there are legal where the one knows that he gets his money if he wins. Technically, of course, you're right.
If there are "good", "state" providers and they get everything baked then it makes no sense. In the case of a complete ban, however, it is technically impossible. Also, payment flows cannot be stopped 100%. There will be Online Casinos (especially in the banana republics) that simply set up a legal company. A company that sells shoes, for example, or offers any legal financial service - which would explain the many deposits and withdrawals. Transactions could then be processed "legally" through this company. The payment providers cannot check every company that uses their services down to the smallest detail.
If there is a market that is big enough, then it is worthwhile to set up such constructs. And thanks to lobbying and greedy and corrupt politicians, the gambling market has at least become so big that a ban is no longer enforceable in practice.
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The outcome, however, is devastating when you consider the effects on other Internet activities.
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However, I also have some sympathy for the Swiss gamblers, because here all Swiss have to decide on something that affects only a few Swiss (and the tax authorities) in the end. For the Swiss players remains to hope that the permitted casinos are not strangled economically as in Germany (amusement tax reorganization; quote Wiki:" The revenue from Slot machine tax increased in recent years from € 190 million (2006) to € 1,048 million (2017) ) and the unsuspecting gambler only learns that by the fact that no more wins are distributed...
Under certain circumstances, the gambling providers will simply apply for a Swiss license, if such a thing is provided for.... They would then simply have to found a small subsidiary, which is assessed for tax purposes in Switzerland, and then it can go ahead...
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Vote, and therefore completely ok.
And the one or other gambler will also be grateful about it.
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As far as I know, this is not provided for.
Because online licenses should only be granted to state casinos.
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Foreign providers are asked not to make their offers available on the Swiss market. If the casinos do not comply, they are blacklisted and the Internet service providers block the sites. In practice, this means that if you visit an online casino that is not licensed in Switzerland from a Swiss IP address, you will see a stop page.
However, anyone who knows a little about the Internet can easily bypass this block by simply installing a VPN server such as IP-Vanish for $6.50 per month: https://www.ipvanish.com/ and surfing from an anonymous IP address in Germany, England, the Netherlands, China or whatever.
The setup is very easy. Just install the program, choose a country from which you want to surf and off you go ...
And this is how a VPN server works:
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Explanation: ISP = Internet Service Provider like 1&1, Telekom, Swisscom, etc.
Here is another offer from Hidemyass (4,99€ per month): https://www.hidemyass.com/de-de/pricing
There are also completely free VPN services where you don't even have to register. However, these are usually so slow that you won't be able to gamble with them.
If a user calls an illegal page, then the ISP switches a stop page in between and blocks the page for the user. But if a user now uses a VPN server abroad and establishes a connection there, then the ISP only sees that the user has established a connection to the VPN server. What he does afterwards, the ISP can not understand and therefore also no stop side interpose. It is not technically feasible.
To enforce this ban 100%, the Swiss would have to somehow prohibit the use of VPN or proxy servers. However, you can't direct an entire legislation only to the relatively small population of gamers and ban VPNs
The EU-licensed casinos will probably almost all adhere to this ban and forbid their customers from using proxy or VPN servers to visit their sites. But the banana casinos won't give a damn about that.....
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The Swiss casinos will enter into joint ventures with large providers because otherwise they do not get it done and so some actually "illegal" providers will get a piece of the pie. The providers of the games also always earn. Ultimately, it is bullshit and changes nothing. A state should stay out of the offer of Games of chance, but create proper framework conditions
In Germany it is also the case that the "state" casinos are operated by Novomatic and Merkur or other private companies. It is complete eyewash that a state monopoly improves anything in player protection. In retrospect, I myself was addicted to gambling before I reached the age of majority, "thanks" to the German state. Because the state lottery companies allowed themselves to sell lottery tickets and sports bets to minors due to their supposedly excellent Player protection
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That is imo a bit short thought. Because also the money flows can be prevented on the one hand to the casinos and on the other hand payouts could be confiscated. In addition, it is simply questionable why someone should play at illegal providers when there are legal where the one knows that he gets his money if he wins. Technically, of course, you're right
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If there are "good", "state" providers and they get everything baked then it makes no sense. In the case of a complete ban, however, it is technically impossible. Also, payment flows cannot be stopped 100%. There will be Online Casinos (especially in the banana republics) that simply set up a legal company. A company that sells shoes, for example, or offers any legal financial service - which would explain the many deposits and withdrawals. Transactions could then be processed "legally" through this company. The payment providers cannot check every company that uses their services down to the smallest detail.
If there is a market that is big enough, then it is worthwhile to set up such constructs. And thanks to lobbying and greedy and corrupt politicians, the gambling market has at least become so big that a ban is no longer enforceable in practice.
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